Why Jiraiya > itachi

[omarsen]

does that hide jiraiya's chakra ? Itachi's sharingan can see chakra .

Amateratsu : is faster than a scroll sealing it . If Jiraiya uses his own hair to cover from Amateratsu then his hair will catch fire and (probably burn) then when he undoes the jutsu his body will catch fire maybe.

Tsukuyomi: can affect both Ma & Pa toad and including Jiraiya in 3 to 6 seconds if he targets them all.
Ma & Pa could wake him up , but Tsukuyomi is fast and those 2 could also fall victim of Tsukuyomi .

Fire style: Itachi can use the same combo of fire and amateratsu he used on Sasuke.

SOUND genjutsu is no problem for Itachi: as you can see he withstood it and worked through it plus blindness, paralysis.

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Itachi could still see while he was blind and he could still move while he was paralyzed . :itachi: Lol

He can also genjutsu summons .

He will shot Amateratsu needles right back at him. Tsukuyomi Jiraiya+Mo+Pa+Gamabunta+2 Toads equal size+Little Frog(can't remember name)

LOL will he 1shot them all with Tsukuyomi ?

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Edit: The sound genjutsu is another calibar from kabuto's. Kabutos was high noise, this case its instant stuck in that genjutsu.

 

[LordRaikage]

yea jiraiya is stronger.

 

[GenKiDama]

jiraiya beats itachi high diff.

 

[omarsen]

there are many counters for amaterasu, clones for example are a simple counter

another is to hit the user while he is charging it, killer bee would have hit itachi were it not for nagato

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jiraiya with his speed in sage mode or fast techniques can do the same

other is using smoke bombs or dust techniques to disrupt the vision of the eye

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or using toad summons as distractions and using that opportunity to strike

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jiraiya didnt have the fire scroll prepped because he never foresaw a situation he might have need it, but after the first counter he would have kept a few scrolls with him, kakashi was better prepared for genjutsu the second tim he met itachi

amaterasu has been countered so many times i am surprised people still believe its a match winner technique, its not

Great points there, forgot about the vision you are right, and the last sentence totaly agree.

 

[End of Days]

Actually it is. It one shots 95% of the narutovers.

which are fodders or people like tsunade

It's so OP that it's only EVER pitted against opponents who can counter it because otherwise the series would be over. Same with Kamui.

counters for amaterasu

clones
disrupt vision
oral rebirth
sealing
dodging
izanagi
absorption
shinra tensei
separate the burning parts

thats a lot of counters and i may be forgetting some

 

[omarsen]

haha you are trolling lol

Why not dude? This is logical thing to do, can't see why its not possible

 

[The Necromancer]

which are fodders or people like tsunade



counters for amaterasu

clones
disrupt vision
oral rebirth
sealing
dodging
izanagi
absorption
shinra tensei
separate the burning parts

thats a lot of counters and i may be forgetting some

All counters that what... 6 or 7 people total possess? And you can't possibly include Shadow clones, as that's not a counter. Having the skill to USE the clones can counter, which is still limited to fewer people than i can count on my hand.

Does Kiba counter Amaterasu because of his shadow clone?
Does Chouji counter because of a smoke bomb?

 

[Ver55e]

Jiraiya always evades the enemy if he sees that his in a tigh spo plus no one has ever caught jiraiya in genjutsu because he uses only 1 shadow clone to deceive people hell he can just summon one frog for destruction then hides so he can do sage mode. So those totsuka sealing sword itachi needs to vary him off guard like that would happen . I mean come on itachi would never waste izanami on jiraiya its too useless . People think of a good counter because if itachi used those eyes of his using MS then he will go blind so think ant that because we are not talking about edo-tensei

 

[omarsen]

Actually it is. It one shots 95% of the narutovers. It's so OP that it's only EVER pitted against opponents who can counter it because otherwise the series would be over. Same with Kamui.

Madara is capable of Tsukuyomi, yet A survived it.

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[omarsen]

All counters that what... 6 or 7 people total possess? And you can't possibly include Shadow clones, as that's not a counter. Having the skill to USE the clones can counter, which is still limited to fewer people than i can count on my hand.

Does Kiba counter Amaterasu because of his shadow clone?
Does Chouji counter because of a smoke bomb?

Sage node senses. and you are comparing fodders with Jiraiya?

 

[foxyladyland]

He will shot Amateratsu needles right back at him. Tsukuyomi Jiraiya+Mo+Pa+Gamabunta+2 Toads equal size+Little Frog(can't remember name)

LOL will he 1shot them all with Tsukuyomi ?

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Edit: The sound genjutsu is another calibar from kabuto's. Kabutos was high noise, this case its instant stuck in that genjutsu.

That needle jutsu is a nice trick but the Amateratsu will indeed spread all over his hair by then burning it tirelessly. He could also burn the ground around them or even his Jiraiya's hands with it. How well can Jiraiya move around while using his hair & needles jutsu?
While he is doing that Itachi can bring Susano'o out and deflect them back . ^_^ Not to mention if Jiraiya is gonna shoot them back , Itachi can easily Tsukuyomi Ma or Pa or just approach with Susano'o and proceed to kill them lol. If the frogs attempt anything he can Amateratsu them as well and/or Susano'o them with Totsuka & w.e.
LOL didn't say he would 1shot them all with Tsukuyomi .

For Ma & Pa to try the sound genjutsu they have to get in sync with each other and that takes enough time for 1 of them to *die*. Not to mention Itachi can read their intentions with his sharingan.

 

[omarsen]

Jiraiya always evades the enemy if he sees that his in a tigh spo plus no one has ever caught jiraiya in genjutsu because he uses only 1 shadow clone to deceive people hell he can just summon one frog for destruction then hides so he can do sage mode. So those totsuka sealing sword itachi needs to vary him off guard like that would happen . I mean come on itachi would never waste izanami on jiraiya its too useless . People think of a good counter because if itachi used those eyes of his using MS then he will go blind so think ant that because we are not talking about edo-tensei

Indeed if Jiraiya had more information of Pain, he could take them easily 1 after the other, like he showed. he took 3 on his own. yet he had so little info on them, and rinnegan was hyped so much in thar arc.

 

[The Necromancer]

Sage node senses. and you are comparing fodders with Jiraiya?

I'm not speaking to you. You clearly don't have the language skills to understand what we're talking about.

 

[omarsen]

That needle jutsu is a nice trick but the Amateratsu will indeed spread all over his hair by then burning it tirelessly.
How well can Jiraiya move around while using his hair & needles jutsu? While he is doing that Itachi can bring Susano'o out and deflect them back . ^_^ Not to mention if Jiraiya is gonna shoot them back , Itachi can easily Tsukuyomi Ma or Pa
or just approach with Susano'o and proceed to kill them lol. If the frogs attempt anything he can Amateratsu them as well and/or Susano'o them with Totsuka & w.e.
LOL didn't say he would 1shot them all with Tsukuyomi .

Yes meanwhile all that time it take to prepare Amateratsu Jiraiya and co. will stand there and watch.

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[End of Days]

All counters that what... 6 or 7 people total possess? And you can't possibly include Shadow clones, as that's not a counter. Having the skill to USE the clones can counter, which is still limited to fewer people than i can count on my hand.

Does Kiba counter Amaterasu because of his shadow clone?
Does Chouji counter because of a smoke bomb?

I listed out general ways to counter it from the top of my head, if we were to make an actual list of people possessing the abilities it will be long

For example countering amaterasu by dodging there are four people with insane speed
Raikage
Naruto
Minato
Tobirama

There are two people with oral rebirth
Kabuto
Orochimaru

There are three people with the ability to absorb amaterasu
Nagato
Madara
Kisame with samehada fusion possibly

Already the list exceeds 6 people

Kiba and chouji are obviously not on itachi's level
But there are several people with clones who are high level shinobis

Hashirama, Minato, Hiruzen, Kakashi etc etc

 

[omarsen]

This.

1. Jiraiya takes full minutes to go into sage mode, time well enough for Itachi to score a win while Sage mode is jiraiya's only real chance
2. Amaterasu is instant and anything less than sensing the pressure behind it (as not even naruto in his mastery of sage mode could) something jiraiya cannot do in base form and can only debateably do in Sage mode.
3. Jiraiya has no feats to counter genjutsu alone, and as explained takes full minutes to summon shima and fukasaku.
4. Summons are easily controlled via the sharingan or even sealed in the totsuka or burned down with fireballs or amaterasu.
5. Tsukuyomi is instant, and even with assistance is unbreakable let alone unbreakable in the time window given.

I'm not speaking to you. You clearly don't have the language skills to understand what we're talking about.

Lmao some1 is mad, because he is a fodder debater.

1) You ignore all other facts and only focus on amaterasu.
2) amaterasu takes time to prepare,

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and need focus from the eye, on the location to catch the target (itachi vs sasuke) Meanwhile Mo+pa+3toads, will stand there and watch.
4) Those are special Summons, and there are more than 1, can he control them all at the same time?
3) Tsukuyomi Madaras got the highest form of it, and yet raikage aka A, winstood it and survived it.

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5) you start comparing fodders with high level shinobi

 

[foxyladyland]

Yes meanwhile all that time it take to prepare Amateratsu Jiraiya and co. will stand there and watch.

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it doesn't take that long in the manga Lol that's an anime extension lol ONLY anime .
Go watch the Sasuke vs Itachi fight and see how after Itachi used Amateratsu the first shot, he used it rapidly after that without closing his eyes.

Don't forget if Jiraiya does anything to doge Itachi that involves Jiraiya being airborn, Jiraiya is a *sitting duck* and at the mercy of whatever Itachi decides to do. Unless he uses a summon in mid air *if he can* (most likely he can and he did before) then the summon would most likely become the next target & victim.

 

[The Necromancer]

I listed out general ways to counter it from the top of my head, if we were to make an actual list of people possessing the abilities it will be long

For example countering amaterasu by dodging there are four people with insane speed
Raikage
Naruto
Minato
Tobirama

There are two people with oral rebirth
Kabuto
Orochimaru

There are three people with the ability to absorb amaterasu
Nagato
Madara
Kisame with samehada fusion possibly

Already the list exceeds 6 people

Kiba and chouji are obviously not on itachi's level
But there are several people with clones who are high level shinobis

Hashirama, Minato, Hiruzen, Kakashi etc etc

Oh excuse me. 8 people who can possibly counter just a single jutsu of itachi's rather than the 7 I absurdly sugggested. Out of how many? Does my point not remain solid? Amaterasu>95% of the Narutoverse.

Lmao some1 is mad, because he is a fodder debater.

1) You ignore all other facts and only focus on amaterasu.
2) amaterasu takes time to prepare,

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and need focus from the eye, on the location to catch the target (itachi vs sasuke) Meanwhile Mo+pa+3toads, will stand there and watch.
4) Those are special Summons, and there are more than 1, can he control them all at the same time?
3) Tsukuyomi Madaras got the highest form of it, and yet raikage aka A, winstood it and survived it.

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5) you start comparing fodders with high level shinobi

JIRAIYA DOES NOT START OFF IN SAGE MODE. Do you not understand this? Start Jiraiya in sage mode and you might as well start Itachi off with Totsuka at Jiraiya's throat, mr. 2 rep bars and <500 posts in two years.

Sage Mode is Jiraiya's ONLY saving grace in this fight, and Itachi can easily pull off a win in the 45 seconds to a minute it takes just to activate it.

I'm done with you.

 

[The Sach]

Epic fail thread.
1. Amaterasu burns anything it falls on, it can burn even Jiraiya's hairs, so amaterasu can't be countered like that.
2. Sealing technique requires prep time+scroll, Amaterasu is faster.
3.Tsukuyomi isn't something that Ma and Pa can break, again fail.
4. Jiraiya's Genjutsu better than MS user, foolishness or fanboyism at it's best.
5. Itachi has Yata+Totsuka, nuff said.
I rest my case here.
Let Jiraiya start in sage mode, so that we can atleast get some good fight, otherwise Itachi solos.

 

[Da Best Ever]

have of those so called counters aren't shit jiraya can do so why did u list them, he doesn't use clones, st, preta, that seal he used is too slow and cant work in live combat, he can disrupt vision butthats temporary stall method, he cant use izanagi, he cant use oral rebirth, dodging only if in sage mode...the only one he can legit do is separate the burning parts but still itachi could just do it again...


and learn the definition of counter

oh and somebody else said itachi cant use izanagi because he isn't senju...wtf are u stupid
izanagi is a forbidden tech of the uchiha and causes blindness to that user in that eye that it was casted out of, the senju dna helped danzo have and control multiple sharingans and let the the ten year time interval on ka shorten...man some of yall are ridiculousness...Rob Dyrdek should have an episode of ridiculousness based on bullshit nb debaters