[VS] MS Obito VS Alive Minato

[Optimistic]

inb4 1v1 debate me ***t

no

real talk people on this site are too serious lol.

 

[Minator93]

Yes, I'm aware FTG is instant, but there is still limitation on how fast people can think and process information, is there not? The reason I posted the Jinton scan was to show how fast Obito can actually teleport. You'll notice that Obito teleports there and then teleports Sasuke out of it. People keep claiming that Obito can't teleport people fast, but that contradicts what they're saying, and in my opinion, is clear evidence of Obito manipulating the warping speed in the case of a dire situation. I don't believe Kamui has a fixed speed, as other people are imply.

You've assumed two teleportations, I've always thought Obito slipped inside that box[from the grounf] and then used 1 teleportation

You can see how FTG works here,

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the smoke pattern is the same, so is the debris around it, only difference that Minato and co is gone

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susanoo's chakra flare remains in the position but Minato and co is gone

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Minato and his surrounding appears stationary but Tobirama is gone

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^^ so called 1-shots had no effect on FTG

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Right bottom panel, it's almost like time stops [Jikukan ninjutsu being faster than the speed of light]

All suggests that Kamui may only partially work on FTG but that's a down side for Obito and a plus side for Kakashi!

 

[Fresco]

I think Minato wins this. There is no way that a katon is ending Minato. He evades almost any mokuton just by reflexes and speed. He does have better reflexes than Obito, and that is why he won the first match. But why did you restrict his toads? ._.

Obito can effectively defend against anything Minato has since he has knowledge on FTG lvl 2 now, but Minato still doesn't have knowledge on the Uchiha barrier tech or Izanagi. There are other uses for Katon, as well. I'm assuming both can counter each other's techniques with S/T abilities, so this ultimately comes down to a battle of attrition and wits. Obito obviously wins the first and its hard to debate for intelligence so myeh.

 

[Penguin]

Obito can effectively defend against anything Minato has since he has knowledge on FTG lvl 2 now, but Minato still doesn't have knowledge on the Uchiha barrier tech or Izanagi. There are other uses for Katon, as well. I'm assuming both can counter each other's techniques with S/T abilities, so this ultimately comes down to a battle of attrition and wits. Obito obviously wins the first and its hard to debate for intelligence so myeh.

Izanagi might actually win this for Obito if Minato has no intel on it. Damn haxxed respawns. ._.

 

[ObieTwo Kenobi]

Obito takes this.

He ain't falling for the same trap twice. His intagibilty should keep him safe if he doesn't recklessly pull the trigger first. Minato is smart. Obito, though, is one Malignant motherf*cker. His Mokuton, Katon and Izanagi should be sufficient to garantee the fight as Minato will be attacking first, Obito will have no difficulties evading anything Yellow Flash can throw at him, he can katon him from close-range or use his mokuton trying to stab him. It would be easy for Minato to evade the stab, definetly not the katon.
Obito, in order to win this showdown, needs to pick his moves very wisely, any slip will lead Minato to activate his seal on Obi's body, or Rasengan his ass, like he did last time; But with Knowledge, Obito should be able to pull it off.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I posted the scan above where Obito warped to Sasuke and warped him out of Jinton. Its a true testament to how fast Obito can use Kamui, and I'll stand by the belief that Obito would be able to teleport Minato because there was emphasis on that part of the fight. I don't understand how he wouldn't be able to manipulate the speed of his ability at the cost of more chakra when there is evidence, as mentioned above, of him teleporting people faster than regularly. Call me stubborn I guess....

Like i pointed out earlier, that's because you can't show time movement with still images.

This is the most possibly scenario

Onoki frees himself from zetsu	Obito notices
Onoki goes up to sasuke and starts mouthing off, indicating he's going to fight	Obito, aware of onoki's abilities and sasuke's state, decides to warp into kamui dimension
Onoki puts his hand out and charges up jinton cube	Obito just starts warping in and grabs sasuke instantly
Jinton cube still charges up	Obito initiates Warp back into kamui dimension
Jinton is still charging	...
Jinton dismantles	Everyone panics... Obito laters warps back in

Off panel feats such as that have to be taken with a grain of salt since there's enough evidence to state these types of abilities aren't instantaneous.
*One good example is that of Sasuke Vs Danzo where obito decided he wanted to join in to rescue sasuke, at one point. In that fight, obito didn't

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and eliminated the need for obito's intervention. This alone should signify the delay in, not only obito warping into kamui dimension, but undertaking a 3 step process of warping in, warping out and warping back in to save sasuke from onoki.

As to your claim about obito warping in slower or faster, that's possible but it won't happen. That's because, when he kamui's in (real world) he would now have to begin the chakra charge for a quick kamui. Therefore, there'd be a delay between when he comes in and when he'd begin a kamui. Conversely, if he instantly comes in and attempts to kamui instantly, there'd be no time to charge. Either way there'd be a delay.
*A good example of this is when naruto's clones busted obito's mask. In that fight, Kakashi initiated his kamui on naruto's rasengan as a decoy, however, he made sure to only 'open the wormhole' while he was still storing up enough chakra in his eye so that he could do a near instant warp on naruto and fool obito.

 

[shelke]

Which wasn't a gamble because He knew he had to warp before obito touched him, therefore, even if he lags behind he could've still warped. The mere fact he could warp a split second before already tells wonders about his awareness and reaction feats, in that he can even compete with a sharingan in terms of detail (not saying he has sharingan level precog).

Yea, that was when he snuck up on minato when minato had no clue he could absorb people. The fact that now minato is not only aware, but it's manga canon that he can FTG while being warped already GG's kamui. A guy who could one up a sharingan user in terms of reaction isn't being caught by kamui -> especially when kamui takes longer to absorb someone than for obito to just warp himself[insert scan here].

Every other jutsu in obito's arsenal is useless in the face of just FTG. Obito's never winning this fight. Fanfiction says kamui is stopping FTG. Manga fact says it isn't.

It was, given the fact that it's a manga proven fact that Obito's S/T Technique is superior to FTG. I accept the fact that his object warping is slower but it is still mighty fast compared to Kakashi. Remember how Karin couldn't detect Sasuke's chakra when he was in Jinton? It was pretty damn fast. Konan gave this analysis that his Intangibility is simply faster. Now put all of this into equation and what do you get? A gamble manuver as the analysis is just that, an analysis until availed.

Minato performance was pretty poor. He literally landed into the chained weapon and escaped because of FTG again. That doesn't give him confidence against an Obito who has the skills included by the OP. If anything, it proves his reflexes were not much against Intangibility and Kamui without FTG. I never said he cannot FTG while being warrped, but if he leaves the match's premises, the match should be over. Not to mention Mokuton is included. A guy who landed into the chains couldn't escape them without FTG'ing isn't doing much before a close range Mokuton.

All the abilities? Lol Come on.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It was, given the fact that it's a manga proven fact that Obito's S/T Technique is superior to FTG. I accept the fact that his object warping is slower but it is still mighty fast compared to Kakashi. Remember how Karin couldn't detect Sasuke's chakra when he was in Jinton? It was pretty damn fast. Konan gave this analysis that his Intangibility is simply faster. Now put all of this into equation and what do you get? A gamble manuver as the analysis is just that, an analysis until availed.

Minato performance was pretty poor. He literally landed into the chained weapon and escaped because of FTG again. That doesn't give him confidence against an Obito who has the skills included by the OP. If anything, it proves his reflexes were not much against Intangibility and Kamui without FTG. I never said he cannot FTG while being warrped, but if he leaves the match's premises, the match should be over. Not to mention Mokuton is included. A guy who landed into the chains couldn't escape them without FTG'ing isn't doing much before a close range Mokuton.

All the abilities? Lol Come on.

Let's see what we have

Obito

Minato

Trained under minato Knows he's extremely quick on his feet. Earlier Learnt he has excellent base speed. And knows about FTG V1 Took Naruto hostage and had minato in a panic trying to save his son Took kushina and had minato in a panic to save her Unleashed the kyuubi on the village and had minato in a rushed panic to save konoha from becoming history Sneaks up on minato while he's focused on the kyuubi(Minato now learnt the guy uses some S/T Jutsu to absorb him) pulls out surprise chains on Minato while he's still trying to figure out WTF is going on with his jutsu(minato now learnt the guy makes you pass through him).

In complete Panic and rushed disarray over his wife, kid and village. Compounded with confusion by a Haxxx jutsu he's never even heard about and trying to understand how obito made it through a barrier and anbu without setting it off in the slightest Has a very limited time since he has to rush back to the village to finish stopping the kyuubi Has not the slightest of a clue who the hell he's facing

Now, tell me, who do you think had this fight laid out easier? Who do you think had a more level head? The guy who planned it out, or the guy in a rushed panic with neg intel on his opponent; completely countering his opponents abilities at each step?
Would you have even made it past saving naruto? Or kushina? Or the village? Or yourself? Or yourself after phasing right through Obito?
See where this is going, right? Minato didn't fight sloppy, He did his best with what he was given. As far as this manga goes, everyone else who faced the guy got solo'd. Even konan, with years of prep, got solo'd. Yet, minato did it in under a minute with 0 intel.
The fact that you claim minato's 'performance is poor' because he landed into the chains simply shows your lack of understanding of what's going on in the manga. Minato rushed into CQC with obito, then phased right through him. Would you have seen that coming? No. Therefore, falling into the chains was inevitable with no intel.

And, yes, All of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. Katon? Mokuton? Shurikens? Taijutsu? No one's ever touched minato before, in the manga, but obito will do it with such standard abilities...? Come on... You're just sounding silly right now.

 

[Trollasaur]

real talk people on this site are too serious lol.

Thou art speak true words indeed

 

[Netferarri]

I think Minato would take this mid diff at most. ​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Let's see what we have

Obito

Minato

Trained under minato Knows he's extremely quick on his feet. Earlier Learnt he has excellent base speed. And knows about FTG V1 Took Naruto hostage and had minato in a panic trying to save his son Took kushina and had minato in a panic to save her Unleashed the kyuubi on the village and had minato in a rushed panic to save konoha from becoming history Sneaks up on minato while he's focused on the kyuubi(Minato now learnt the guy uses some S/T Jutsu to absorb him) pulls out surprise chains on Minato while he's still trying to figure out WTF is going on with his jutsu(minato now learnt the guy makes you pass through him).

In complete Panic and rushed disarray over his wife, kid and village. Compounded with confusion by a Haxxx jutsu he's never even heard about and trying to understand how obito made it through a barrier and anbu without setting it off in the slightest Has a very limited time since he has to rush back to the village to finish stopping the kyuubi Has not the slightest of a clue who the hell he's facing

Now, tell me, who do you think had this fight laid out easier? Who do you think had a more level head? The guy who planned it out, or the guy in a rushed panic with neg intel on his opponent; completely countering his opponents abilities at each step?
Would you have even made it past saving naruto? Or kushina? Or the village? Or yourself? Or yourself after phasing right through Obito?
See where this is going, right? Minato didn't fight sloppy, He did his best with what he was given. As far as this manga goes, everyone else who faced the guy got solo'd. Even konan, with years of prep, got solo'd. Yet, minato did it in under a minute with 0 intel.
The fact that you claim minato's 'performance is poor' because he landed into the chains simply shows your lack of understanding of what's going on in the manga. Minato rushed into CQC with obito, then phased right through him. Would you have seen that coming? No. Therefore, falling into the chains was inevitable with no intel.

And, yes, All of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. Katon? Mokuton? Shurikens? Taijutsu? No one's ever touched minato before, in the manga, but obito will do it with such standard abilities...? Come on... You're just sounding silly right now.

Owned to the max.

 

[KidGamer65]

I thought OP and Kidgamer were the same person this entire time!

OT: Obito high difficulty

lol dafuq?

kidgamer is scared of draphsin!

lmao, never. I was at work until now.

No KG is one tough bastard, he never backs down no matter how incorrect he is Lol And in this situation he's right so I don't think he's sacred of draph.

lmao, true that. Even though I'm right most of the time.

Wrong, he never shat on kamui, minato beat obito's strategy. This is easily avoided if obito changes that strategy. Kamui had minato on the ropes.

Kamui NEVER had Minato on the ropes. Obito tried to warp him with a surprise attack and failed. Then he tried to warp him straight forward and failed. Its as simple as that.

Katon can get redirected by s/t barrier but since minato is busy then that results in a kamui warp from behind, every time I bring up strategies you bring up the fact that minato beat an inexperienced obito.

Busy doing what? If Obito has moved to warp Minato then it means he is no longer firing off his Katon, so Minato is free to easily evade Obito via Hiraishin.

Obito beats minato, he has no answer to genjutsu, izanagi, or a kamui warp from behind, use the kunai for deflection which can be taken care of with kamui.

Genjutsu? We've already seen he can avoid eye contact, he can make clones and he can teleport so Obito catching him with Genjutsu, especially since it didn't seem to help him not get shitted on before, isn't happening here.

Izanagi only prelongs the fight, it doesn't let him beat Minato.

Kamui warp from behind? Are you serious with this garbage? We've already seen him counter a surprise Kamui warp from behind, and he only had to escape from the actual warping cause he didn't know Obito would phase through his Kunai attack. What would Minato do now that he has intel? Oh yeah, he'd warp before Obito ever laid a hand on him.

I can't even begin to explain how shitty the "inexperienced" argument is. Where did Obito show a hint of inexperience in Kamui or anything during his fight with Minato? He uses Kamui in that fight the same way he does the rest of the manga. Obito being a 14 yr old kid doesn't make him inexperienced, and since I know that's what this argument is based on, I suggest you just can it. Itachi was 13 but easily dispatched Orochimaru, a Sannin.

Minato can make a clone, if Obito deflects Kunai from one side, then the other Minato can get his back with Hiraishin and hit him with Rasengan, tagging him in the process.

Obito isnt running up to minato with his arms outstretched like last time, he will put minato on the defensive & attack from behind when there's an opening.

He can't put Minato on the defensive, cause when he attacks, he opens himself up to Hiraishin while he's tangible nor is he going to lay a hand on Minato during this fight. Just like it was in canon. He never managed to even touch him, and with intel on Kamui, using the time where he almost got warped doesn't help since that opening only came from Minato retaliating with an inappropriate method of attack due to Kamui.


Minato poops on MS Obito every single time, just like the manga showed. Mentioning irrelevant techniques like Katon isn't helping you here. I also saw you mention Kaenjin in your OP..rofl. Not even sure if serious.

 

[Europa]

I'd give it to Obito. Since his battle with Minato, he either mastered more techniques or started using them. He didn't really use much against him, only the basics of his fighting style.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I'd give it to Obito. Since his battle with Minato, he either mastered more techniques or started using them. He didn't really use much against him, only the basics of his fighting style.

He only used the techniques that would work. You need space time jutsu to beat a space time user. Please tell me what fire style, wood style or any other jutsu would do to Minato when he can just teleport from it.

Kamui is the only really useful jutsu in his arsenal that can work against Minato. Obito isn't stupid, he's not gonna spam pointless techniques when kamui is the only effective one.

Same reason why kakashi mainly uses lightning blade and kamui, even though he has over a thousand other moves.

 

[Fresco]

Let's see what we have

Obito

Minato

Trained under minato Knows he's extremely quick on his feet. Earlier Learnt he has excellent base speed. And knows about FTG V1 Took Naruto hostage and had minato in a panic trying to save his son Took kushina and had minato in a panic to save her Unleashed the kyuubi on the village and had minato in a rushed panic to save konoha from becoming history Sneaks up on minato while he's focused on the kyuubi(Minato now learnt the guy uses some S/T Jutsu to absorb him) pulls out surprise chains on Minato while he's still trying to figure out WTF is going on with his jutsu(minato now learnt the guy makes you pass through him).

In complete Panic and rushed disarray over his wife, kid and village. Compounded with confusion by a Haxxx jutsu he's never even heard about and trying to understand how obito made it through a barrier and anbu without setting it off in the slightest Has a very limited time since he has to rush back to the village to finish stopping the kyuubi Has not the slightest of a clue who the hell he's facing

Now, tell me, who do you think had this fight laid out easier? Who do you think had a more level head? The guy who planned it out, or the guy in a rushed panic with neg intel on his opponent; completely countering his opponents abilities at each step?
Would you have even made it past saving naruto? Or kushina? Or the village? Or yourself? Or yourself after phasing right through Obito?
See where this is going, right? Minato didn't fight sloppy, He did his best with what he was given. As far as this manga goes, everyone else who faced the guy got solo'd. Even konan, with years of prep, got solo'd. Yet, minato did it in under a minute with 0 intel.
The fact that you claim minato's 'performance is poor' because he landed into the chains simply shows your lack of understanding of what's going on in the manga. Minato rushed into CQC with obito, then phased right through him. Would you have seen that coming? No. Therefore, falling into the chains was inevitable with no intel.

And, yes, All of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. Katon? Mokuton? Shurikens? Taijutsu? No one's ever touched minato before, in the manga, but obito will do it with such standard abilities...? Come on... You're just sounding silly right now.

I applaud your well-constructed arguments, but Minato isn't defeating Obito. It's easy to say all of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. I even admitted to it, but Obito's Kamui negates most of Minato's techniques and since he has knowledge on FTG lvl 2, Minato isn't conceivably touching Obito. This means it comes down to who lasts longer, in my opinion, and that's obvious. Izanagi will have a huge effect on the outcome as well if Minato has no knowledge on it. Minato will let his guard down, just as Konan did.

I'll concede the Kamui argument, though.

 

[Scryed]

Sorry but I believe Minato would defeat MS Obito.

Even with Izanagi, Minato will probably sense him after he appear. Konan let her guard down but since she isn't a sensor, she didn't realize he had appeared behind her until he spoke. Obito was trying to sneak from behind but Minato as able to sense him creeping up on hhim from behind. Or atleast noticed him creeping up on him from behind.

As for when he said he'll warp him as soon as he gets his hands on him. By this I think he meant that he won't bother wasting time talking before he warps like he did the first time.

It's been noted that he warping other people or himself isn't instant.

He had to switch from warping himself to letting the paper bombs slip through him against Konan. Which is why he had to resort to Izanagi in the first place.

As for warping others. He wasn't able to warp Konan and her paper bombs instantly but ended up having to warp the explosion itself instead.

Not the paper bombs but the explosion which means that the paper bombs had enough time to explode.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I applaud your well-constructed arguments, but Minato isn't defeating Obito. It's easy to say all of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. I even admitted to it, but Obito's Kamui negates most of Minato's techniques and since he has knowledge on FTG lvl 2, Minato isn't conceivably touching Obito. This means it comes down to who lasts longer, in my opinion, and that's obvious. Izanagi will have a huge effect on the outcome as well if Minato has no knowledge on it. Minato will let his guard down, just as Konan did.

I'll concede the Kamui argument, though.

Except for the fact that Minato is a sensor and would not suffer the same fate Konan did. The only reason Konan knew obito was behind her was because he started talking and by that time it was too late for her, she was already stabbed.

But as we saw already in their fight, obito cannot sneak up behind Minato without him knowing, Minato even did a full turn and slashed obito with his kunai before contact could be made. So with minatos sharp reflexes and speed I'm am very confident he'd be able to react and ftg to safety or pull out a substitution jutsu if needed.

Minato doesn't drag out fights, he always makes quick work of his opponents. So it's not going to cone down to who lasts longer, it comes down to whoever is faster and had the better strategy.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I applaud your well-constructed arguments, but Minato isn't defeating Obito. It's easy to say all of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. I even admitted to it, but Obito's Kamui negates most of Minato's techniques and since he has knowledge on FTG lvl 2, Minato isn't conceivably touching Obito. This means it comes down to who lasts longer, in my opinion, and that's obvious. Izanagi will have a huge effect on the outcome as well if Minato has no knowledge on it. Minato will let his guard down, just as Konan did.

I'll concede the Kamui argument, though.

Izanagi is a non-factor in terms of killing minato; it'd only prolong the fight... I'll show you why... Izanagi allowed danzo to do

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. This is the exact same concept as what obito already does. Kamui allows him to teleport and remove his chakra signature from existence[input shino scan here], then his chakra signature can suddenly reappear, however, minato already

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... Therefore, the all the benefits of izanagi, apart from surviving a little longer, a completely negated by Minato's sensor abilities.

You say Minato isn't conceivably touching obito, but he's already shown the ability to warp his body

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to counter Obito's use of kamui. Since he knows to hit obito when he's about to hit you, minato would always be aiming for this... If obito tries

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, minato drops the kunai and warps the split second before obito grabs him. If they're in a fight,

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the second before obito's coming in to touch him and warp. For that matter, minato could take a risk and let obito touch him so that he can touch him quickly while he's trying to warp him in then FTG away before the warp is complete. Minato could even use shadow clones to assist him in finding an opening to touch obito. In all these cases obito can get tagged and, once that happens...

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What people seem to fail to realise is that minato is a high calibre Sensor, with extreme foot speed, shadow clones and FTG. That's a wicked deadly combo and is what got him his title. But, I do agree that kamui counters minato's techs the fact is this fight comes down to Kamui vs FTG, again. And, again, Minato would find a way to come out on top. If he could do it in a time with such a handicap, it's almost unthinkable to believe he couldn't pull it off with a clear head.

Anyway you'd made up your mind about the match :/

 

[miromiro]

Obito wins it with many difficulties.

 

[Minator93]

Let's see what we have

Obito

Minato

Trained under minato Knows he's extremely quick on his feet. Earlier Learnt he has excellent base speed. And knows about FTG V1 Took Naruto hostage and had minato in a panic trying to save his son Took kushina and had minato in a panic to save her Unleashed the kyuubi on the village and had minato in a rushed panic to save konoha from becoming history Sneaks up on minato while he's focused on the kyuubi(Minato now learnt the guy uses some S/T Jutsu to absorb him) pulls out surprise chains on Minato while he's still trying to figure out WTF is going on with his jutsu(minato now learnt the guy makes you pass through him).

In complete Panic and rushed disarray over his wife, kid and village. Compounded with confusion by a Haxxx jutsu he's never even heard about and trying to understand how obito made it through a barrier and anbu without setting it off in the slightest Has a very limited time since he has to rush back to the village to finish stopping the kyuubi Has not the slightest of a clue who the hell he's facing

Now, tell me, who do you think had this fight laid out easier? Who do you think had a more level head? The guy who planned it out, or the guy in a rushed panic with neg intel on his opponent; completely countering his opponents abilities at each step?
Would you have even made it past saving naruto? Or kushina? Or the village? Or yourself? Or yourself after phasing right through Obito?
See where this is going, right? Minato didn't fight sloppy, He did his best with what he was given. As far as this manga goes, everyone else who faced the guy got solo'd. Even konan, with years of prep, got solo'd. Yet, minato did it in under a minute with 0 intel.
The fact that you claim minato's 'performance is poor' because he landed into the chains simply shows your lack of understanding of what's going on in the manga. Minato rushed into CQC with obito, then phased right through him. Would you have seen that coming? No. Therefore, falling into the chains was inevitable with no intel.

And, yes, All of Obito's abilities are negated by FTG. Katon? Mokuton? Shurikens? Taijutsu? No one's ever touched minato before, in the manga, but obito will do it with such standard abilities...? Come on... You're just sounding silly right now.

Izanagi is a non-factor in terms of killing minato; it'd only prolong the fight... I'll show you why... Izanagi allowed danzo to do

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. This is the exact same concept as what obito already does. Kamui allows him to teleport and remove his chakra signature from existence[input shino scan here], then his chakra signature can suddenly reappear, however, minato already

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... Therefore, the all the benefits of izanagi, apart from surviving a little longer, a completely negated by Minato's sensor abilities.

You say Minato isn't conceivably touching obito, but he's already shown the ability to warp his body

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to counter Obito's use of kamui. Since he knows to hit obito when he's about to hit you, minato would always be aiming for this... If obito tries

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, minato drops the kunai and warps the split second before obito grabs him. If they're in a fight,

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the second before obito's coming in to touch him and warp. For that matter, minato could take a risk and let obito touch him so that he can touch him quickly while he's trying to warp him in then FTG away before the warp is complete. Minato could even use shadow clones to assist him in finding an opening to touch obito. In all these cases obito can get tagged and, once that happens...

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What people seem to fail to realise is that minato is a high calibre Sensor, with extreme foot speed, shadow clones and FTG. That's a wicked deadly combo and is what got him his title. But, I do agree that kamui counters minato's techs the fact is this fight comes down to Kamui vs FTG, again. And, again, Minato would find a way to come out on top. If he could do it in a time with such a handicap, it's almost unthinkable to believe he couldn't pull it off with a clear head.

Anyway you'd made up your mind about the match :/

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