[VS] MS Obito VS Alive Minato

[Nattana]

Minato literally used his whole arsenal against kid Obito and couldn't put him down.

MS Obito wins mid diff.

 

[Minator93]

OP fled this embarrassment and KG69 isn't replying Zzz

 

[Rike Senju]

Minato literally used his whole arsenal against kid Obito and couldn't put him down.

MS Obito wins mid diff.

Don't forget that if obito didn't have kurama minato would have gone and finished him when he marked him. Instead he went to save the village from kyuubi. Throughout the fight obito had the advantage, sneak attack, knowledge on his side, and the most powerful bijuu. Yet he only managed to get whooped and fled.

 

[Prince Charles]

kidgamer is scared of draphsin!

 

[Optimistic]

Draph is offline, victory is ours!

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[Minator93]

kidgamer is scared of draphsin!

No KG is one tough bastard, he never backs down no matter how incorrect he is Lol And in this situation he's right so I don't think he's sacred of draph.

 

[paratise]

You irked and scared Drapshin off you doltheads.

 

[Fresco]

Which wasn't a gamble because He knew he had to warp before obito touched him, therefore, even if he lags behind he could've still warped. The mere fact he could warp a split second before already tells wonders about his awareness and reaction feats, in that he can even compete with a sharingan in terms of detail (not saying he has sharingan level precog).

Yea, that was when he snuck up on minato when minato had no clue he could absorb people. The fact that now minato is not only aware, but it's manga canon that he can FTG while being warped already GG's kamui. A guy who could one up a sharingan user in terms of reaction isn't being caught by kamui -> especially when kamui takes longer to absorb someone than for obito to just warp himself[insert scan here].

Every other jutsu in obito's arsenal is useless in the face of just FTG. Obito's never winning this fight. Fanfiction says kamui is stopping FTG. Manga fact says it isn't.

You mentioned that....if that's true, then why did Obito even attempt to warp Minato a second time given he had seen how he had failed the initial time? He mentions to himself that he will

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. Everything indicates that Obito can teleport Minato faster than he can react. That's why there was emphasis later on in the battle on who touches each other first.

 

[Gold Lightning]

People realize that Minato won through a gamble? He struck 'A split second Earlier', that is all. Minato admitted to his S/T being superior as well. Obito also made the mistake of not absorbing him immediately when he touched him. A mistake, he admitted to. With Katon attacks and Barrier at his disposal, Minato has no chance to win this.

I agree with Draphsin completely. MS Obito takes this rather easily. Unless, Minato decides to commit suicide ... like last time when he is out of options and skill-set.

The same obito that had full prep plus Intel on Minato. The same obito that took Minatos New born son hostage and tried to kill. The same obito who abducted minato. wife and almost killed her. The same obito that unleashed the nine tails on the village in order to destroy it.

Any normal ninja wouldn't even be able to think straight, but what did Minato do...?

- He saved his son, getting injured in process when his leg got pierced by that piece of wood.
- Rescued his wife in the Nick of time before being crushed by the nine tails.
- then having to protect the village while escaping obito's kamui.
- Then figuring his jutsu in less than one minute.
- All this and he still absolutely crapped on obito using only 2 moves. Then he immediately removes the contract between the nine tails and obito.

So even after all that prep obito had + Intel. And all those advantages he had over Minato, their fight still only lasted seconds.

So imagine Minato now in this scenario, with a clear mind, plus intel of kamui and knowledge of obito. How can anyone say obito even had the slightest of chance. If anything, the fight will just last a little longer than last time round. And if the op wasn't so scared that he had to restrict both BM and the marking on obito's body then this would have been extremely low diff for Minato.

 

[ObieTwo Kenobi]

SilverDick posted, shit's got serious.

 

[Minator93]

You mentioned that....if that's true, then why did Obito even attempt to warp Minato a second time given he had seen how he had failed the initial time? He mentions to himself that he will

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. Everything indicates that Obito can teleport Minato faster than he can react. That's why there was emphasis later on in the battle on who touches each other first.

However Obito needs to be looking at Minato and touching him if he wants to send Minato in the Kamui dimension. And we saw how he failed to send Guy who is much slower than Minato and not as brainy. Also Obito can't have a 1-touch victory unless it falls under the category I explained above because

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[Fresco]

However Obito needs to be looking at Minato and touching him if he wants to send Minato in the Kamui dimension. And we saw how he failed to send Guy who is much slower than Minato and not as brainy. Also Obito can't have a 1-touch victory unless it falls under the category I explained above because

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Ehhh, I can't recall what you're talking about in reference to the Guy thing, so I apologize, but we saw how fast Obito could teleport someone else

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[AGoodBoy]

You mentioned that....if that's true, then why did Obito even attempt to warp Minato a second time given he had seen how he had failed the initial time? He mentions to himself that he will

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. Everything indicates that Obito can teleport Minato faster than he can react. That's why there was emphasis later on in the battle on who touches each other first.

An assumption by obito isn't a fact when It's already established as untrue earlier on. It's an established fact of the manga that obito warps others slower than he warps just himself.

When obito mentioned he'd warp minato as soon as he touched him; That simply meant he'd attempt to warp minato before he could realize he was being warped so that minato would be in the kamui dimension before his FTG activated. However, that doesn't mean it would work for the simple reason I stated earlier.

Furthermore, obito relied on kamui again because;
1) That's all he does and that's his best ability.
2) That was his only Option at that point.
- Katon could be S/T barrier'd, shushin dodged, or FTG dodged
- Those mokuton branches would be completely useless because he already collected the information that restraining minato wouldn't work -- through the use of his chains -- therefore using mokuton would change nothing.
- Kunai's could be easily deflected or dodged
Therefore, Kamui was indeed his only option at attempting to counter FTG. It's an established fact of the manga that only S/T counters S/T.

Let's not forget that obito had years of info on minato and word-of-mouth intel on what he was capable of... The guy did what he saw best...

Ehhh, I can't recall what you're talking about in reference to the Guy thing, so I apologize, but we saw how fast Obito could teleport someone else when he saved Sasuke from Jinton.

Jinton has a massive charge time and it's hard to show time progression with a still picture. We have no idea how long that kamui took. For all we know, obito had already kamui'd the second he saw Oonoki decide to enter the fray.

*Sasuke didn't defend himself during the charge time because he was still writhing in pain from mei's acid burns, the crushing pain the comes from susano'o and only moments ago being exhausted to the point of near comatose.

 

[Trollasaur]

lol, this nonsense again?

Minato shits on ms obito. Period.

lololololololllolololololololololololololololollollol

 

[Fresco]

An assumption by obito isn't a fact when It's already established as untrue earlier on. It's an established fact of the manga that obito warps others slower than he warps just himself.

When obito mentioned he'd warp minato as soon as he touched him; That simply meant he'd attempt to warp minato before he could realize he was being warped so that minato would be in the kamui dimension before his FTG activated. However, that doesn't mean it would work for the simple reason I stated earlier.

Furthermore, obito relied on kamui again because;
1) That's all he does and that's his best ability.
2) That was his only Option at that point.
- Katon could be S/T barrier'd, shushin dodged, or FTG dodged
- Those mokuton branches would be completely useless because he already collected the information that restraining minato wouldn't work -- through the use of his chains -- therefore using mokuton would change nothing.
- Kunai's could be easily deflected or dodged
Therefore, Kamui was indeed his only option at attempting to counter FTG. It's an established fact of the manga that only S/T counters S/T.

Let's not forget that obito had years of info on minato and word-of-mouth intel on what he was capable of... The guy did what he saw best...

I posted the scan above where Obito warped to Sasuke and warped him out of Jinton. Its a true testament to how fast Obito can use Kamui, and I'll stand by the belief that Obito would be able to teleport Minato because there was emphasis on that part of the fight. I don't understand how he wouldn't be able to manipulate the speed of his ability at the cost of more chakra when there is evidence, as mentioned above, of him teleporting people faster than regularly. Call me stubborn I guess....

 

[Minator93]

Ehhh, I can't recall what you're talking about in reference to the Guy thing, so I apologize, but we saw how fast Obito could teleport someone else

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And FTG is instant as in nothing is faster than FTG a Jikukan Ninjutsu. Kakashi tried to Kamui gedo Mazo but only got its arm. Gedo Mazo was under the summoning Jutsu which again is Jikukan Ninjutsu. So Kakashi's Kamui could only partially put some part of Gedo Mazo in the Kamui dimension.

In Obito's case he can't rip-off limbs or put someone partially in the Kamui dimension and that's the downfall against Minato. So every time we'll see the same result i.e. Minato escaping

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About that scan: Jinton is a fast attack but nowhere near Jikukan level fast, so what Obito did wasn't really that surprising given that Kamui is a Jikukan Ninjutsu. Put Minato or Tobirama in that jinton box or someone with Hiraishin marking both Minato and Tobirama can save themselves or the one with the markings [both cases]

 

[Red Slayer]

Minato shitstomps like last time

 

[Fresco]

And FTG is instant as in nothing is faster than FTG a Jikukan Ninjutsu. Kakashi tried to Kamui gedo Mazo but only got its arm. Gedo Mazo was under the summoning Jutsu which again is Jikukan Ninjutsu. So Kakashi's Kamui could only partially put some part of Gedo Mazo in the Kamui dimension.

In Obito's case he can't rip-off limbs or put someone partially in the Kamui dimension and that's the downfall against Minato. So every time we'll see the same result i.e. Minato escaping

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About that scan: Jinton is a fast attack but nowhere near Jikukan level fast, so what Obito did wasn't really that surprising given that Kamui is a Jikukan Ninjutsu. Put Minato or Tobirama in that jinton box or someone with Hiraishin marking both Minato and Tobirama can save themselves or the one with the markings [both cases]

Yes, I'm aware FTG is instant, but there is still limitation on how fast people can think and process information, is there not? The reason I posted the Jinton scan was to show how fast Obito can actually teleport. You'll notice that Obito teleports there and then teleports Sasuke out of it. People keep claiming that Obito can't teleport people fast, but that contradicts what they're saying, and in my opinion, is clear evidence of Obito manipulating the warping speed in the case of a dire situation. I don't believe Kamui has a fixed speed, as other people are imply.

I've only been discussing the S/T aspect of the fight, which admittedly can go either way, but there are other factors in this fight, along with the specifics that Draphsin laid out, which tip the fight in Obito's favor quite clearly.

 

[Trollasaur]

inb4 1v1 debate me ***t

no

 

[Penguin]

I think Minato wins this. There is no way that a katon is ending Minato. He evades almost any mokuton just by reflexes and speed. He does have better reflexes than Obito, and that is why he won the first match. But why did you restrict his toads? ._.