Strongest character without power ups?

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

While I didn't have an issue with you deciding to not include Minato's FTG I gotta say this really doesn't make any sense. Naruto copied the shadow clone jutsu from a scroll that we later learned was a jutsu tobirama developed. It's the exact same situation as FTG.

So if you are going to count shadow clones (which eliminates just about all ninja in existence right there) then you have to include FTG, because either way you look at it, Minato had to teach himself how to use that move and he even made it better. There's nothing borrowed about that.

That was meant for the other guy but you have a point. The key difference is that naruto took that scroll back from a thief and had to learn how to use it, he was useless with them to begin with , minato had access to all the scrolls in konoha and was given access to use them. I guess if I'm going to an even extreme level then shadow clones should jot be included but the thing is ninjas are taught shadow clones as kids whereas ftg only tobirama knew so potato pottato , I'm not sure on this I'll let you decide.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Sakura Haruno
She bored nothing, and she is almost like an Uchiha with her intellect and chakra control, she can ready movement, avoid attacks, learn attacks fast, perfect defense against genjutsu and mind alteration.....sort of. And she is a op medic

sakura is a chinese copy of Tsuande. everystuff sakura learned is copying techniques of tsunade. nothing genuine.

 

[Mattek2008]

OH and Tobirama ofcourse! The man didn't need to train hard in order to learn techniques, he just invents them

 

[warlee]

OH and Tobirama ofcourse! The man didn't need to train hard in order to learn techniques, he just invents them

He still need to train to get used to it and perfect it.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

That was meant for the other guy but you have a point. The key difference is that naruto took that scroll back from a thief and had to learn how to use it, he was useless with them to begin with , minato had access to all the scrolls in konoha and was given access to use them. I guess if I'm going to an even extreme level then shadow clones should jot be included but the thing is ninjas are taught shadow clones as kids whereas ftg only tobirama knew so potato pottato , I'm not sure on this I'll let you decide.

Oh yea , if there were scrolls of FTG then why didn't hiruzen learned it ? Hiruzen was even student of Tobirama but he don't know this awesome jutsu.

similarly Orochimaru is the real thief of konoha's scrolls and why didn't he learned it from the scrolls.
Is FTG a kinjutsu then why did hiruzen allowed minato to use kinjutsu?
Why would Minato , the law abiding loving hokage would teach a kinjutsu to his students?
Why didn't kakashi or Naruto ever bothered to learn FTG. a whole nation of ninjas knowing how to do FTG will be the strongest nation of world.

guess why its not happening because there was never a scroll of FTG.
Minato developed his own verson of FTG just by listning its basic mechanism from the hypes and rumours of his elders.

and even if minato did learned FTG from scrolls then why is that copying.
we do study books in library ourselves and we are deemed intelligent but if the same stuff done by minato then He is termed a thief. WTF

 

[Troyg39]

That was meant for the other guy but you have a point. The key difference is that naruto took that scroll back from a thief and had to learn how to use it, he was useless with them to begin with , minato had access to all the scrolls in konoha and was given access to use them. I guess if I'm going to an even extreme level then shadow clones should jot be included but the thing is ninjas are taught shadow clones as kids whereas ftg only tobirama knew so potato pottato , I'm not sure on this I'll let you decide.

They weren't taught shadow clones as kids, just a regular clone jutsu

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It was just a "bushin no jutsu" which is just a simple clone jutsu. Hence the reason why the "kage bushin no jutsu" or shadow clone jutsu was a forbidden jutsu. They wouldn't teach a forbidden jutsu to kids.

However I will say that since they at least taught a variation of a clone jutsu to the kids, I can see your point a little bit. Since they weren't handing out any kind of S/T technique lessons to academy students your difference stands so I guess it's ok to not include FTG on those grounds

Thattt actually showed that your mad :heh:.

Sorry is not a power up. Chakra of each shinobi belongs to themselves. Chakra must first be molded. Only person born with automatic chakra was Rikudou. No one else. Since Rikudou was born with chakra, he was able to break it down and teach people how to create it. Sooo yeaaaaa. The elements of chakra existed in everyone, even before the Juubi, only the knowledge was missing.

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I didn't know the juubi was a girl!!

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

and of course the title is misleading . you have to write strongest ninjas without borrowed powers .

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

They weren't taught shadow clones as kids, just a regular clone jutsu

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It was just a "bushin no jutsu" which is just a simple clone jutsu. Hence the reason why the "kage bushin no jutsu" or shadow clone jutsu was a forbidden jutsu. They wouldn't teach a forbidden jutsu to kids.

However I will say that since they at least taught a variation of a clone jutsu to the kids, I can see your point a little bit. Since they weren't handing out any kind of S/T technique lessons to academy students your difference stands so I guess it's ok to not include FTG on those grounds



I didn't know the juubi was a girl!!

you are getting close to my point.
FTG is not a kinjutsu because Minato learned it used it.
Minato also tought FTG to genma squad. so it proves it is not a kinjutus

the only reason FTG is not tought in academy/ higher level academy is because nobody except minato knows how to do it.
It also validates my point that there is no scrolls of FTG otherwise Hiruzen would had studied FTG just like all konoha jutsu and tought to his students.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Oh yea , if there were scrolls of FTG then why didn't hiruzen learned it ? Hiruzen was even student of Tobirama but he don't know this awesome jutsu.

similarly Orochimaru is the real thief of konoha's scrolls and why didn't he learned it from the scrolls.
Is FTG a kinjutsu then why did hiruzen allowed minato to use kinjutsu?
Why would Minato , the law abiding loving hokage would teach a kinjutsu to his students?
Why didn't kakashi or Naruto ever bothered to learn FTG. a whole nation of ninjas knowing how to do FTG will be the strongest nation of world.

guess why its not happening because there was never a scroll of FTG.
Minato developed his own verson of FTG just by listning its basic mechanism from the hypes and rumours of his elders.

and even if minato did learned FTG from scrolls then why is that copying.
we do study books in library ourselves and we are deemed intelligent but if the same stuff done by minato then He is termed a thief. WTF

I did not call minato a thief and I answered this above, but again in will say its plot how would you justify an entire village using ftg and even ifntheyball did know it one would get captured and then boom everyone knows ftg. Also hiruzen did not use it cause he can't use it effectively sndnrelies on other techniques. I agree minato is a genius and in general I don't discredit him for ftg but for the purposes of this thread its pure power so no reading secret scrolls and learning, inventing is fine and getting taught and training is fine too. Also this point can't be settled cause we don't known if there is a scroll or not so I'll let it slide whichever way I guess

They weren't taught shadow clones as kids, just a regular clone jutsu

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It was just a "bushin no jutsu" which is just a simple clone jutsu. Hence the reason why the "kage bushin no jutsu" or shadow clone jutsu was a forbidden jutsu. They wouldn't teach a forbidden jutsu to kids.

However I will say that since they at least taught a variation of a clone jutsu to the kids, I can see your point a little bit. Since they weren't handing out any kind of S/T technique lessons to academy students your difference stands so I guess it's ok to not include FTG on those grounds



I didn't know the juubi was a girl!!

You are right very nice catch, I guess we got to take clones out of the equation thanks then again naruto isn't even 10 top in this list unless its sage mode but I agree

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

I did not call minato a thief and I answered this above, but again in will say its plot how would you justify an entire village using ftg and even ifntheyball did know it one would get captured and then boom everyone knows ftg. Also hiruzen did not use it cause he can't use it effectively sndnrelies on other techniques. I agree minato is a genius and in general I don't discredit him for ftg but for the purposes of this thread its pure power so no reading secret scrolls and learning, inventing is fine and getting taught and training is fine too. Also this point can't be settled cause we don't known if there is a scroll or not so I'll let it slide whichever way I guess


You are right very nice catch, I guess we got to take clones out of the equation thanks then again naruto isn't even 10 top in this list unless its sage mode but I agree

never go full retard. so u r telling Hiruzen is a noob at learning stuffs. The person who was called the professor don't know FTG . haha. even genma squad learned it and use it effectively but Hiruzen the professor can't lolz.

Again by your own word if you can't read secret scroll then why didn't u excluded Naruto reading secret scrolls of kage bushin and orochimaru from reading stolen scrolls.

and the most funny part was , why won't a country teach its strongest jutusu to its students. Its like USA not making atomic bombs despite having nuclear tech ,just by fearing if other nation will copy its technique.

this whole thread is bullshit.

 

[KingHashirama]

They weren't taught shadow clones as kids, just a regular clone jutsu

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It was just a "bushin no jutsu" which is just a simple clone jutsu. Hence the reason why the "kage bushin no jutsu" or shadow clone jutsu was a forbidden jutsu. They wouldn't teach a forbidden jutsu to kids.

However I will say that since they at least taught a variation of a clone jutsu to the kids, I can see your point a little bit. Since they weren't handing out any kind of S/T technique lessons to academy students your difference stands so I guess it's ok to not include FTG on those grounds



I didn't know the juubi was a girl!!

ahahah "tree" is usually referred to in a feminine pronoun. Just like how the earth is called a "she".

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

never go full retard. so u r telling Hiruzen is a noob at learning stuffs. The person who was called the professor don't know FTG . haha. even genma squad learned it and use it effectively but Hiruzen the professor can't lolz.

Again by your own word if you can't read secret scroll then why didn't u excluded Naruto reading secret scrolls of kage bushin and orochimaru from reading stolen scrolls.

and the most funny part was , why won't a country teach its strongest jutusu to its students. Its like USA not making atomic bombs despite having nuclear tech ,just by fearing if other nation will copy its technique.

this whole thread is bullshit.

Clearly you are not reading what I am writing and are fantasying, where did I say hiruzen can not learn it go ahead point it out, you are the one who went full retard and you never go full retard, you have your knickers in a twist insulting and get angry for no reason, simply cause you will never be able to prove that a scroll does not exist lol as there is no many a evidence, your stubborn and I don't have time to waste going over the same things over and over again. So why doesn't hashirama know ftg if tobirama is his brother? Its cause its a story and the characters would not be unique if they all had the same powers. I'll say for a third time hiruzen does not use it as the technique would leave him vulnerable due to the fact hiruzen does not possess the good enough reaction speed in his old age much like kid kakashi using raikiri without sharing an and almost getting cut up.

 

[Troyg39]

ahahah "tree" is usually referred to in a feminine pronoun. Just like how the earth is called a "she".

Well that makes sense but since it was called "God tree" and God is typically a masculine word unless changed to Goddess it struck me as odd that the tree would be considered a female

 

[KingHashirama]

Well that makes sense but since it was called "God tree" and God is typically a masculine word unless changed to Goddess it struck me as odd that the tree would be considered a female

oh i was confused on that also. But, i'm sure it probably more accurate on the viz translation.

 

[-Punk-]

Lawd Minato​

 

[Itachi4days]

Idk, but I really like sasori's skill set. His jutsu is op

 

[Tobby17]

lol. Hiruzen does not use FTG because Kishi doesn't want him to, I'm sure he has his own justus, that's like saying why didn't Jiraiya use Hiruzen's shadow shuriken justu, that's bcoz he doesn't need it. duh

 

[Draphsin]

Everything is a powerup.

When a ninja learns a new jutsu, he/she gets a powerup.

 

[Avinash012]

Hashirama Senju is the strongest wihtout borrowed power up's,if u don't want to count top clans then Minato Namikaze is the best.

You're counting Jiraiya with Sage Mode? Even though he requires Shima and Fukasaku? I'm just wondering if that qualifies.

I don't think using his summonings is a probulem.

 

[Naijakid]

Hashirama is the strongest without Power up