Why people overrate Obito's Kamui ?

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Yeah but didn't he need to touch the one he's teleporting?

I've been reading the manga for many years but Kamui is still confusing af for me :|

No, remember, he didn't need to touch the Mazou to prevent Kakashi from teleporting it. Did he?

Obito's Kamui was misunderstood by everyone, until it was explained by Kakashi.

Just remember, it is one jutsu. It simply drags objects into the Kamui Dimension.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Yeah but kakshi is not gonna backup you when its one on One, If you want to hit obito you need to hit him,, With Kamui He is untouchable and can Land attack,, Kakshi Naruto was able to Hit him coz Kakashi also has kamui,, The only counter to Obito,, That's why Obito is Much More Op than you think when it comes to 1 on 1 battels,

I know that he is OP , but Kamui isn't the only way to touch him.

When he became tangible in order to teleport you , you can hit him and He can't use his intangible mode in the Kamui dimension.

 

[Ahmed1993]

No, remember, he didn't need to touch the Mazou to prevent Kakashi from teleporting it. Did he?

Obito's Kamui was misunderstood by everyone, until it was explained by Kakashi.

Just remember, it is one jutsu. It simply drags objects into the Kamui Dimension.

That confused me too ( but i assume that he closed the Kamui's portal or something like that since he is the true owner of that Sharingan ), but we never saw him perform a long range Kamui like Kakashi.

 

[-S-]

That confused me too ( but i assume that he closed the Kamui's portal or something like that since he is the true owner of that Sharingan ), but we never saw him perform a long range Kamui like Kakashi.

Well, he simply dragged it back by looking at it. Remember, he can bring things back from the Kamui Dimension, like he did with the stakes and shuriken.

Remember, it's an ocular jutsu. He simply needs to stare at it like Kakashi. It wasn't revealed early on, because it would have been plot-breaking.

It's a very simple jutsu to understand if you reason it out.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Please step out of fanboy mode , read the thread and my post and be unbiased , and fyi Obito is in my top 5 favorite characters.

Where am i being biased here? We dont really know if FTG or summons would work in other dimension.
As far what i said is true, only minato escaped, but obito said he could up the warp speed to an instant.

Remember, it's an ocular jutsu. He simply needs to stare at it like Kakashi. It wasn't revealed early on, because it would have been plot-breaking.

Wouldnt that imply that he could snipe with it?

 

[awesomeseimei]

No, remember, he didn't need to touch the Mazou to prevent Kakashi from teleporting it. Did he?

Obito's Kamui was misunderstood by everyone, until it was explained by Kakashi.

Just remember, it is one jutsu. It simply drags objects into the Kamui Dimension.

Well, I did understand the overlapping part when Kakashi explained it, but why did Obito need to grab Torune (and get infected with the bugs) to teleport him then? I know he didn't care about losing his arm but it could have been avoided altogether if he didn't touch him, right? Also, what did Konan exploit in her fight with Obito? I don't remember it clearly any more but wasn't he unable to avoid the tags blowing him up because he couldn't go intangible and teleport at the same time?

It is one jutsu but "vacuuming in" and "overlapping" are different aspects of it right? Gah, my head :nuts:

 

[Minator93]

Kamui is the ultimate ninjutsu. Its not overrated at all U_U

 

[-S-]

Well, I did understand the overlapping part when Kakashi explained it, but why did Obito need to grab Torune (and get infected with the bugs) to teleport him then? I know he didn't care about losing his arm but it could have been avoided altogether if he didn't touch him, right? Also, what did Konan exploit in her fight with Obito? I don't remember it clearly any more but wasn't he unable to avoid the tags blowing him up because he couldn't go intangible and teleport at the same time?

It is one jutsu but "vacuuming in" and "overlapping" are different aspects of it right? Gah, my head :nuts:

Like I said, he needed to touch the object earlier on in the series, because it was simply due to plot. I hate plot. But if it was revealed that he didn't have to touch the person, it would have ruined the fight against Kakashi, Lee and Naruto.

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Here, Tobi himself claims that attacking him whilst he absorbs is useless.

As for Konan, and the 5-minute limit, Kishimoto never explained that.

The vacuuming and overlapping are the same thing. They both send objects to the Kamui dimension.

 

[-immortal-]

Kamui is the ultimate ninjutsu. Its not overrated at all U_U

yup. still thinking Kamui obito w/rinnegan > sage obito

because

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oh hell no one would survive it if obito with rinnegan kamui and Mokuton.
plot saved alliance

 

[Ahmed1993]

Well, he simply dragged it back by looking at it. Remember, he can bring things back from the Kamui Dimension, like he did with the stakes and shuriken.

Remember, it's an ocular jutsu. He simply needs to stare at it like Kakashi. It wasn't revealed early on, because it would have been plot-breaking.

It's a very simple jutsu to understand if you reason it out.

Yes but he needs to touch the victim in order to do so.

Where am i being biased here? We dont really know if FTG or summons would work in other dimension.
As far what i said is true, only minato escaped, but obito said he could up the warp speed to an instant.

Wouldnt that omply that he could snipe with it?

I didn't mention FTG , and the summoning part i said was my opinion , but an Izanagi user or another Kamui user can get out of it.
But that's not the point of my thread , i just want to know whats the benefice that Obito gain by teleporting the victim ? since its risky for him too ( he can get hit by the person inside Kamui's dimension if he uses his intangible mode. )

 

[BlacLord™]

Because the mentally challenged on the base don't have the capacity to think of counter-strategies, or even understand the clearly shown weaknesses.

 

[Bronze]

Its not overrated. Even if you have info on its functions, you still need to figure out how to beat it.

 

[HFalcon]

Kamui is the best jutsu ... and if the usuary have the two eyes ... he is inmortal xD

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

There aren't many izanagi users and when obito transports someone like Danzou lapdog he put them in genjutsu. The only person very too foil obitos kamui was minato Lohan n kakashi that's three ninjas in the whole naruto universe. And 2 of them died.

 

[Kurama2012]

because kamui is haxed as hell obito with this jutsu alone took on naruto, bee, kakashi and guy

 

[-S-]

Yes but he needs to touch the victim in order to do so.

No he does not.

Read my posts to ''awesomeseimei'', I explain why there.

 

[awesomeseimei]

Like I said, he needed to touch the object earlier on in the series, because it was simply due to plot. I hate plot. But if it was revealed that he didn't have to touch the person, it would have ruined the fight against Kakashi, Lee and Naruto.

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Here, Tobi himself claims that attacking him whilst he absorbs is useless.

As for Konan, and the 5-minute limit, Kishimoto never explained that.

The vacuuming and overlapping are the same thing. They both send objects to the Kamui dimension.

Not really the "same" thing since they work a little differently, the result is the same though.

The whole thing is really confusing, I can't even tell whether it was a retcon by Kishi or some actual development of Obito's abilities or just different scenarios :| And by the way, Kakashi and Guy also stopped Obito from teleporting Naruto by forcing him to become "intangible" once, so it still applied during the war as well.

 

[ReverseZero12]

It's not overrated but when people say that obito (before juubi) can defeat hashirama or madara because they have "no counter" to kamui then they are just fooling themselves.

 

[Ahmed1993]

No he does not.

Read my posts to ''awesomeseimei'', I explain why there.

Sorry but manga feats disagree with what you want to say ( didn't read ).

 

[-S-]

Not really the "same" thing since they work a little differently, the result is the same though.

The whole thing is really confusing, I can't even tell whether it was a retcon by Kishi or some actual development of Obito's abilities or just different scenarios :| And by the way, Kakashi and Guy also stopped Obito from teleporting Naruto by forcing him to become "intangible" once, so it still applied during the war as well.

Regardless of whether they work differently, like Kakashi said, it's 'one jutsu'

Because you think it works differently, is the reason why you're confusing yourself completely.

All you need to know, is that Obito can move anything into the dimension with his eye. That's it.

Sorry but manga feats disagree with what you want to say ( didn't read ).

You apply logic to what you read, in order to understand what's going on better.

Your so called 'manga feats' can't explain why Obito was able to prevent the Mazou from being absorbed. So if you wish to stick to that, be my guest.