[Establishing why] Eien no Mangekyou Sasuke > Gokage [All at once]

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How does Sasuke triumph in this battle?
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Eien No Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke can beat them all at the same time. You people do not understand the veracity and potency of his Amaterasu mastery, let alone his obvious unlocking of Perfect Susano'o.

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Sasuke has shown to manifest many different shapes with his Amaterasu and Enton variants. Mei and Tsunade have not shown to be of the faster caliber Shinobi, and as such, don't have sufficient reaction feats to lets say.... Dodge an Enton Arrow? Said arrow had to be countered by Kamui (Kakashi) or he would have been gone. This is the same Kamui that was able to dislodge the entire arm of the Gedo Mazou of the Juubi in a split second before it was instantaneously reverse summoned via "Kuchiyose No Jutsu" by Uchiha Madara [ ][ ]. Needless to say, they are absolute non-factors in this fight, and are easily dispatched making this fight a 3 on 1.

Concerning Ohnoki;​

Ohnoki is the only person of the Kage that can damage Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o, much like his abilities were utilized in their battle against Uchiha Madara. However, Ohnoki, even with flight, is a sitting duck to Amaterasu (not to be confused with Enton). The only people who have actively dodge Amaterasu are Ei because of his speed (and the only ones who rival or surpass are Uchiha Obito, Uzumaki Naruto, and Namikaze Minato) and Juubi Jinchuriki Obito via sensing [ ]. Ohnoki possesses neither of these and therefore is susceptible to a blatant Amaterasu strike, one to which he possesses no ability to negate or evade.

I'd like to point out that Jinton isn't, well, fast and can easily be evaded on foot by someone like Sasuke. Of course, before I state how this is possible lets take a look at Sasuke's speed feats.

→ 1] The first feat I would like to bring up is in his battle against Deidara. In this scan, Deidara is just as big as Sasuke's head [ ] and then he suddenly appears in front of Deidara, shocking him without the latter even realizing when Sasuke made the move. [ ] He even commented on Sasuke's speed by stating ''He's fast!''.

→ 2] Sasuke is standing right bellow Deidara [ ] and then suddenly he appears behind him. [ ] Deidara has no idea when Sasuke got behind him and is shocked, barely escaping his attack.

→ 3] Sasuke and his team appear to be as big as the prisoner's arm [ ] and then Sasuke suddenly appears behind him while cutting his chest open and both Karin and Suigetsu now seem a little smaller than Sasuke's head. [ ] He covered such a distance in a blink of an eye.

→ 4] Deidara is forced to use Shī Tsū because he thinks that 'Sasuke's movements are definitely too fast'. [ ] Please look at Deidara's size and the Dragon's size. [ ] Now check out the size of the explosion. [ ] Sasuke escaped the explosion and Deidara comments on his speed once again, saying 'Damn, he's fast!'.

→ 5] Next, Sasuke appears to be half the size of Naruto's head. [ ] Same can be said for Naruto. [ ] Then suddenly Sasuke appears down, holding Naruto's shoulder and shocking him. [ ] Yamato comments on his speed. Sasuke covered such a distance in a flash [ ] while Sakura didn't even notice when he made the move given her comment. [ ]

→ 6] This may or may not be as impressive as the Shunshin feats above, but I'll still add it. Sasuke was capable of evading Bī's attack [ ] and Bī comments on how no one except Ēi was capable of avoiding Bī's attack.

→ 7] At the Kage Summit, Sasuke was capable of appearing in the meeting room and no one was capable of noticing it until he made a cut on one of the curtains which shocked those present in the room in that moment. [ ] Please note that he was fast enough to cut all three of the curtains in the room present at that time as well.

→ 8] You can see that Sasuke's head is almost as big as Sakura even though he is running. [ ] Both Sasuke and Naruto, who is in his Kyūbi Chakura Mōdo, are running towards Sakura to quickly reach her and then Sasuke suddenly appears next to her before Naruto does and Sakura is shocked given her '!'.

→ 9] Naruto is falling and Sasuke is no where in sight [Top panel] while Obito is trying to hit Naruto [ ], shocking him. And then suddenly out of no where, Sasuke appears and uses Susano'o to protect Naruto which in return shocked the latter. [ ]

→ 10] Sasuke and Itachi are on the other side of the cave, holding Kabuto's snakes. [ ] And then suddenly, Sasuke appears behind Kabuto and takes off his hood. [ ]

→ 11] Sasuke is standing and the Samurai are a few meters in front of him. [ ][ ] And then suddenly he appears behind the Samurai, making a clean cut and shocking the Samurai without us or anyone else even noticing when Sasuke made a single movement. [ ]

→ 12] Suigetsu and Juugo are a meter [Maybe less] from each other and are about to make their attack [ ] and then suddenly, Sasuke appears between them, restricting their movements. [ ]
We have seen that Madara was able to escape the Jinton on foot [ ], leaving only a damaged part on his clothes. [ ] However, the Jinton managed to touch Madara only because Madara wanted it to touch him. [ ]

Of course, we also have to take Sasuke's Sharingan into consideration which will allow him to predict the Jinton attack, which he already has knowledge on, and counter it much like Kakashi did against Kakuzu's Atsugai. [ ] It even allowed Kakashi to intercept a lightning bolt flying at high speed. [ ][ ] Not to mention that Kakuzu, himself, stated that the Sharingan predicted his attacks.

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We also have to consider Ohnoki's stamina which is rather, well, bad. He can't just keep on spamming Jinton. Ohnoki claimed that he used up his Chakra against Muu [ ] despite only using just one Jinton [ ], one Weight Technique [ ] and flying the whole time. [ ] This tells me that Ohnoki's Chakra reserves aren't really big. He could still use Techniques such as that Rock Fist technique, but he couldn't use Jinton anymore. One more thing; Amaterasu versus Jinton. There is a reason as to why I believe Amaterasu could overcome Jinton. If Sasuke used Amaterasu on the Jinton itself, I believe that the Amaterasu would devour it just like it devoured Sasuke's Katon.

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Due to the charging time of Jinton (since it does not happen instantly), any sort of external factor can halt it completely [ ] When Muu was about to fire off a Jinton, KCM Naruto quickly flew (Shunshin) behind him and forced Muu to "sense" him, and in turn intercept him, rather than turn the jutsu towards him; this effectively cancelled the technique via an external factor.
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Dealing with Gaara and Ei.

Gaara is one who is the only person that can actually sponge any attacks from Sasuke, but there is a fatal flaw... Uchiha Sasuke's Enton Sword used with his agility in his legged Susano'o. [ ] In just that form, Sasuke was able to take out a massive chunk of the tree with a quick swipe. That being without Enton added to the sword. With Enton and the veracious agility he seems to display with Susano'o, repeated swipes with Perfect Susano'o and an Enton Sword would eventually break through Gaara's defense and finish off the Kazekage.

Anyways, we have to consider Gaara being capable of saving the rest of his team potentially. It doesn't matter really, an Enton Blade or a simple Enton Arrow would suffice. Sasuke has already shown to be capable of firing off multiple arrows at once. [ ] These arrows are so fast that Kakashi was forced to use Kamui to send them away. Gaara's only chance is to try and defend himself and his teammates with a sand defense, however, it means absolutely nothing.

Slicing nor piercing Enton based attacks cannot be blocked due to the Enton being capable of piercing slicing through solid objects like a knife through butter. [ ] Since it cannot be blocked or evaded by the likes of Gaara, Tsunade, Mei nor Ohnoki, all of them would either get killed by an Enton arrow or sliced in half by an Enton blade.

There's also the fact that Gaara cannot fight effectively while trying to defend the others at the same time nor can they be alert of a sudden Amaterasu at all times since they will be fighting Sasuke's Susano'o who will be smashing around, forcing all of their focus on the Susano'o and in other words; giving Sasuke a chance to pull off a sudden Amaterasu and kill them with it.

Also, while defending, the active Enton can be controlled by Sasuke. That's the point of Blaze Release. Sasuke has full control of the shape, size and "speed"/location of it. He can actively move it, especially if it is on something. So for instance. If Gaara enacts to save the Female Kages, the Enton quite clearly won't get eradicated from the Sand, and Sasuke can directly coordinate from there where he'd want the Enton to land.
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Ei is the only one in the fight who can dodge Amaterasu/Enton, but the same can't be said for an Enton coated V3 Susano'o with legs. I doubt he has the strength to take any portion of it out (Tsunade, who is physically superior to him was only able to crack V2 of Madara's Susano'o. Nothing indicates Ei can rival that at all, and in turn, not break Sasuke's Susano'o at all). So continuous Susano'o Sword Swings (if you choose to say coated in Enton, will end him, or he will get reckless and charge in and be coated in Enton as he can't enter the vicinity of the Susano'o).

As for Ei's V2, yes, he may be capable of evading the Amaterasu when he uses his V2, however, 4th Raikage had to inject Bijuu level chakra into his Armour to up it to V2. Unless he has Chakra reserves bigger than ninetails, he isn't keeping it up for more than a minute. Not a chance. Because of the chakra invested. The V2 Cloak requires far too much chakra. How can be maintain something like that for too long? It seems statistically impossible. Look at it this way, in BM Naruto is capable of keeping up the avatar for 8 minutes and no more. Whilst not exactly a similar thing, the analogy is still valid, as BM has its own chakra capacity.

Raikage cannot possibly have a bottom less chakra supply to maintain something that consumes such a large amount of chakra. The longer he maintains it, the more chakra he consumes. In fact, has he ever used V2 for large extended periods?

Raiton Armour is just like Nagashi. The only difference is that the Raikages have such a large chakra pool that they are able to continuously generate Raiton from their body and use it as a defense and speed enhancer. So it constantly eats chakra. Add V2 into the equation and you can do the math.
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The rest.

Neither Mei nor Tsunade would be a problem. Neither of them so far haven't shown to be capable of reacting to something like Amaterasu and will rather easily be defeated by it. The Enton Magatamas can be used to deal with both of them rather quickly. [ ]

There is also the fact that Tsunade is basically useless and that her attacks would only result in her own death. She needs to actually punch the Susano'o directly in order to do something. Considering that Sasuke would coat the Susano'o in Enton, all she would do is get Enton on her hand which would force her to chop it off, leaving her without a hand.

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Well, if Sasuke doesn't decide to make the Enton travel to the rest of her body, of course. And that also applies to Ei, as that is his fighting style, which is suicide against an Enton coated Susano'o.

As for Kirin this is what it took to prime Kirin -> [ ][ ][ ]

2 Katon in the air and 1 use of Amaterasu. Now think of this fight, and how much Amaterasu will be used, on top of Sasuke's possible use of normal Katon? Kirin would be primed in no time.

What happens when Sasuke just decides to shoot off a few Enton arrows into the sky? Kirin is pretty much gathered immeadiately and it will be more powerful than the one Sasuke used against Itachi.

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And to people disregarding the fact that Sasuke has Perfect Susano'o... [ ]. Madara's Susano'o clearly has the elongated nose on his Tengu demon. Sasuke clearly has the same Tengu, AND the same sheathed sword which Madara possessed on his Susano'o as well. And to further validate this, Sasuke exclaims in the previous panel that " ". More so, Hashirama immediately recognized it. And before discrediting the size, Perfect Susano'o has taken on a different shape each time it has been fit around the Kyuubi. Sasuke had to literally coat Kurama (Naruto) and was around it, as opposed to it fitting closer to size. Same with Madara [ ]. Both times the larger Susano'o had to be fitted to the smaller Kurama. So with this definite evidence of Sasuke possessing Perfect Susano'o.... Ei is not much of a problem at all. His fighting style is negated by the massive construct and he, along with the rest of the Kages will be annihilated if they haven't already before this.​


Sasuke is the victor.

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I see some flaws in your post. First one was that you decided that Mei and Tsunade would be working alone while they have teammates. Oonoki makes Gaara's sand and the Sand Gaara makes in the area lighter and faster and Gaara moves both Mei and Tsunade out the way . You also said Oonoki have low chakra, this is wrong, in fact he has a ton of chakra. His first Jinton was and then as the Edo kages and SA charged at each other, Muu and Oonoki flew off to fight each other, they been fighting off screen .

As you can see from the surroundings, and Oonoki panting, they have been fighting . Then him and Gaara were fighting the 2nd Mizukage where he was low on chakra and his Jinton cancelled. After that he made all the sand around them lighter and even made the first meteor lighter . Plus even though Tsunade healed them, Gaara and Oonoki weren't at full power when fighting Madara yet Gaara was able to block about 5 complete Susanoo's sword while saving Mei.

Mei can use hidden mist to weaken Sasuke's sight as she was doing to Madara so that will make it harder to aim at them. Oonoki tag teams with A by making him lighter and even faster while he can charge his Jinton while A blitz close to him or use a collaboration jutsu to break Sasuke's complete Susanoo .

Sasuke's complete Susanoo did not, I repeat did not cut that large branch by it self. Sasuke had Yin-Yang chakra increasing his strength. Kakashi's Kamui power was increased by at least 3x the power when he got a little bit of chakra, Kakashi said Naruto gave the alliance even stronger chakra (could be around 4x-6x+) because he matched it to each person's chakra and we see Hinata jutsu strong enough to knock the Juubi's tail by herself. Then Choji mentions how the Yin yang chakra was even stronger, so Sasuke's power was increased about 7x-10x+.

Also Sasuke has yet to show how well he can handle PS, Stable of unstable, on his own. We got a 1 time use so can't assume he can use it like Madara did against the kages. As of now that's spectulation at best. All of the kages were weakened and tired when Madara pulled out PS, When Oonoki saw the God tree he told the Donton users to use the earth under it to knock the tree down, same can be said about the PS. Can also use the giant Jinton that wiped out 25 complete Susanoos in 1 blow, but aim for where Sasuke will be in PS if he can use PS well enough to use it.
 

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was unnecessarily long, skim read partly because of that and partly because that font is annoyingly small

no point in listing sasuke's speed feats, sasuke would have to remain inside his susanoo at all times otherwise you know raikage's V2 blitz and punch can literally kill you, and while susanoo is active the user slows down unless the susanoo itself has legs



and about madara's so called escape from jinton, its wrong, this is madara's distance from the gokages



madara was never even the target of jinton to begin with, oonoki activated jinton and kept spinning starting from his position to cover the area of the forest which not only gave madara time to see it coming he only had to side step it while oonoki spun around in circles



in other cases when oonoki was close enough to madara, madara had to rely on preta path to counter jinton



when gokages hit madara with the mega jinton, (the orginal madara who was at a far away distance and thus had time) lost his arm and his leg while the clone madaras (all of them with legged susanoos as big as sasuke's) got obliterated so your point about sharingan helping against jinton also is no good



not sure why you try to mention oonoki's stamina and your point about oonoki using only one jinton is wrong, he spammed jinton against his match with muu, the landscape was carved out with jinton clashes at multiple places, oonoki was cancelling muu's jinton with his own and those clashes made big balls of jinton and carved the landscape



not to mention stamina isnt an issue here with tsunade pumping enormous chakra into oonoki

and i should also point out that the mega jinton made by the gokages was in fact smaller than the one they would make at their full strength cause at that time they were running low on chakra



jinton is not going to be obliterated by amaterasu in fact it would obliterate amaterasu because the rate of destruction is far faster compared to amaterasu, chumps like karin and samurai can survive even after having amaterasu on them for a period of time but jinton obliterates anything it touches instanly, comparing jinton to lowly katon which just cause burns is not wise

amaterasu also requires charge time, dont know why it is conveniently left out in sasuke/itachi threads, if you are trying to brush the fact under the carpet you arent doing a good job

and oh whats the point of separating the gokages and listing out how sasuke deals with them individually, you didnt list out how they would deal with their combination attacks
whats sasuke's counter to mizukage's hidden mist which disrupts vision which in turn counters amaterasu and gives them time to charge up a mega jinton?





thats way one the match could go and this scenario ends with sasuke turning to dust
While in his legged Susano'o, Sasuke gains his usual speed so I don't see why should we count his speed out just because Susano'o will be active. Yes, Madara wasn't close to Ohnoki, and the same exact thing would happen here. If Ohnoki gets close, he will be a rather easy target for any of Sasuke's attacks.

Madara didn't have to rely on Preta Path. He had enough time to completely turn around and counter Ohnoki's Jinton, he could have easily escaped the Jinton via his Shunshin instead just like in the first time, however, there was no point in doing so since it was much more easier to just absorb it instead.

The Sharingan would still predict the Jinton attack, giving Sasuke time to react before it even happens. That mega Jinton isn't even going to be charged up in the first place due to Sasuke's Enton Arrows and Amaterasu. However, if the Perfect Susano'o is out, that Jinton won't even be capable of getting rid of the whole Susano'o [ ], allowing Sasuke to just repair the damaged part.

Ohnoki's stamina was just a bonus we added, nothing important really. However, I don't see your point. They used exactly one Jinton and then Ohnoki used one more after that, I believe. He was capable of using his other techniques, yes, but he was unable to use Jinton anymore. Tsunade can give him more Chakra, sure, but lets be honest here. Neither she nor Mei are lasting more than a few minutes in this battle.

As for the Amaterasu having a charge up time, not really. [ ][ ] Amaterasu is spawned even faster if the user has EMS rather than a MS. It most definitely can eat Jinton. You cannot simply say ''Jinton > Katon, hurr durr. Jinton wins''. Both are made out of Chakra and both have a physical form, meaning can very well happen. About Amaterasu's burning speed, it depends. If Sasuke focuses his sight on the target, which would he would do in order to get rid of the Jinton, Amaterasu will burn rather fast actually. This was seen in the same scan I posted just a moment ago and as well. Itachi burned throught a whole wall of flesh in a mere second. [ ]

In the end, all of this is correct only if Ohnoki manages to fire of a Jinton in the first place, which won't happen due to the Enton Arrows. Kakashi was forced to use Kamui in order to counter the same exact arrows and I'm sure that both of us know how fast Kamui is. More so, Kakashi even commented on how fast the Arrows are. Someone like Ohnoki won't even know what hit him and not only will he not be capable of pulling some kind of a defense or completing a Jinton in order to get rid of the Arrows, this Arrows cannot be blocked by solid objects (defenses) nor will he be capable of moving out of the way considering the Arrows speed. Of course, we cannot forget that Sasuke can shoot off multiple of these at once, meaning that along with Ohnoki one or two more Kages die.

Once again, we never did seperate the Gokage. The counter to the mist is rather simple, not only will Mei be hit by an Amaterasu before she even manages to get the mist out. Especially since she couldn't react to a simple Katon attack from Madara and Tsunade was forced to tank it. Even in the mist goes up, nothing changes. In the same exact scan you posted, Muu had no trouble seeing where Madara is and arriving at his side while both Ohnoki and Ei had absolutely no trouble seeing Muu arrive, punching him aside and continuing to attack Madara.

That's not all, there is also the fact that Sasuke's legged Susano'o is as big as a Bijuu, let alone his Perfect Susano'o, meaning that he mist won't even reach the Susano'o's head and Sasuke will still be capable of seeing them. Not to mention that he still has his Hawk Summoning which can be coated with Sasuke's Susano'o if needed.​
 

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Oonoki is most capable kage there hence sasuke will snipe him with ama 1st. W/o him gokages are dumed.
Now go back to that scan see how many legged susanos will fit into area of that branch.
Dont forget that legged susanoo is size of BM w/o tails.
And look at the increadible reach of that sword. It alone will make sasuke attack gokages with impunity.
this isnt a one on one,sasuke isnt sniping onoki when gaara is by his side. Sasuke's susanoo is only that strong because he is pumped with chakra boosting him at least 7-10x normal. He couldnt even make a legged susanoo before getting naruto's chakra
 

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last i check if madara wasnt a edo it would have been dead when he went up with the gokage tsunade literally punched of a huge chunk of his body.
 

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While in his legged Susano'o, Sasuke gains his usual speed so I don't see why should we count his speed out just because Susano'o will be active. Yes, Madara wasn't close to Ohnoki, and the same exact thing would happen here. If Ohnoki gets close, he will be a rather easy target for any of Sasuke's attacks.

Madara didn't have to rely on Preta Path. He had enough time to completely turn around and counter Ohnoki's Jinton, he could have easily escaped the Jinton via his Shunshin instead just like in the first time, however, there was no point in doing so since it was much more easier to just absorb it instead.

The Sharingan would still predict the Jinton attack, giving Sasuke time to react before it even happens. That mega Jinton isn't even going to be charged up in the first place due to Sasuke's Enton Arrows and Amaterasu. However, if the Perfect Susano'o is out, that Jinton won't even be capable of getting rid of the whole Susano'o [ ], allowing Sasuke to just repair the damaged part.

Ohnoki's stamina was just a bonus we added, nothing important really. However, I don't see your point. They used exactly one Jinton and then Ohnoki used one more after that, I believe. He was capable of using his other techniques, yes, but he was unable to use Jinton anymore. Tsunade can give him more Chakra, sure, but lets be honest here. Neither she nor Mei are lasting more than a few minutes in this battle.

As for the Amaterasu having a charge up time, not really. [ ][ ] Amaterasu is spawned even faster if the user has EMS rather than a MS. It most definitely can eat Jinton. You cannot simply say ''Jinton > Katon, hurr durr. Jinton wins''. Both are made out of Chakra and both have a physical form, meaning can very well happen. About Amaterasu's burning speed, it depends. If Sasuke focuses his sight on the target, which would he would do in order to get rid of the Jinton, Amaterasu will burn rather fast actually. This was seen in the same scan I posted just a moment ago and as well. Itachi burned throught a whole wall of flesh in a mere second. [ ]

In the end, all of this is correct only if Ohnoki manages to fire of a Jinton in the first place, which won't happen due to the Enton Arrows. Kakashi was forced to use Kamui in order to counter the same exact arrows and I'm sure that both of us know how fast Kamui is. More so, Kakashi even commented on how fast the Arrows are. Someone like Ohnoki won't even know what hit him and not only will he not be capable of pulling some kind of a defense or completing a Jinton in order to get rid of the Arrows, this Arrows cannot be blocked by solid objects (defenses) nor will he be capable of moving out of the way considering the Arrows speed. Of course, we cannot forget that Sasuke can shoot off multiple of these at once, meaning that along with Ohnoki one or two more Kages die.

Once again, we never did seperate the Gokage. The counter to the mist is rather simple, not only will Mei be hit by an Amaterasu before she even manages to get the mist out. Especially since she couldn't react to a simple Katon attack from Madara and Tsunade was forced to tank it. Even in the mist goes up, nothing changes. In the same exact scan you posted, Muu had no trouble seeing where Madara is and arriving at his side while both Ohnoki and Ei had absolutely no trouble seeing Muu arrive, punching him aside and continuing to attack Madara.

That's not all, there is also the fact that Sasuke's legged Susano'o is as big as a Bijuu, let alone his Perfect Susano'o, meaning that he mist won't even reach the Susano'o's head and Sasuke will still be capable of seeing them. Not to mention that he still has his Hawk Summoning which can be coated with Sasuke's Susano'o if needed.​
You talk about how Oonoki has to charge his Jinton and all but you never input Sasuke having to go into Susanoo and aim his arrows or enton/Amaterasu. Rapidly firing doesn't mean he's going to hit his target and we saw Sasuke take awhile to aim his arrow at the Juubi when him and Naruto first combined their Susanoo arrow and Chou FRS . Right as he's going into Susanoo, Mei could be using hidden mist jutsu.

You're also assuming Sasuke would aim for Mei and Tsunade first, he only seen Mei use boiling mist and lava, he wouldn't know about hidden mist. You're also making it seem like Sasuke is on or even close to Madara's level to be able to do things on his level. Everything Madara was doing was Madara testing out what the kages can do, he wasn't serious and even called the fight child's play. He wasn't using the true power of his EMS or Rinnegan, used PS just to show them some of his true power. MS Sasuke had trouble against a anger-fueled A and almost died, the power from MS to EMS isn't that big to put him on the level to go against 5 kages, not when he's still new to his power.

The kages all had reaction time in their tired state to not die from 5 complete Susanoo each. EMS Madara alone is beyond Kage level, they were fighting a Senju DNA enhanced Rinnegan Madara. Madara indirectly countered Sasuke's Enton arrow with only 3 chakra rods at close range , who's to say enton arrows have piercing power instead of just power? It hit something and sets it on fire, doton wall from either Mei or Oonoki can do this.

Also if Jinton beats Amaterasu and arrows then why don't Oonoki just make his Jinton larger than his body like so: , so why everattack comes his way will be destroyed while he's still charging.
 

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Well... I missed a lot when I went to bed. I'll combat all the arguments later. And just for the record, @Ahhimane, I'm not a "fapboy", nor did I say Sasuke > Madara. That kind of conclusion makes you look like a fanboy.
 
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