[Discussion] What Level are they?

[MickNerks]

What level would you classify Dragon? He is the worlds most wanted man, and a direct enemy of the world goverment (gorosei), the marines are an after thought.lol So how strong do you think he is, because im starting to believe he is stronger than a fleet admiral. My reasoning for this is, I would consider young grap fleet admiral level, and i think dragon is far stronger than his father.


Next question. I strongly believe that zoro is either stronger or the same level as luffy. Its like ever time i see zoro fight, he never goes all out. I think him and luffy make respectively be able to take on vice admirals with little difficulty, but does anyone else feel as thought zoro may be a bit stronger than luffy?

 

[Gitch]

I dont think that zoro is stronger than luffy but maybe equal .... that I wouldnt argue over !

 

[TheHokage]

Question 1) Dragon in my opinion is stronger than the Fleet Admiral who is Akainu. Dragon will be in my opinion stronger than Shanks.

Question 2) No. Luffy is the strongest in the crew and the reason we never see Zoro go all out is because his opponents are far weaker than Luffy's not to mention we haven't seen Luffy go all out either since the time-skip.

 

[Lt Fresh]

Dragon is probably close in strength with Shanks and Mihawk, I would assume.

I feel as if Zoro is ether equal to or a little less than Luffy. They can beat Vice Admirals of course.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Dragon is probably a top tier, but he's just the most wanted man because, unlike others, his actions are affecting the Government directly. Due to this, he could easily be weaker than we think. However, I doubt he's ever going to surpass his father, Garp.

And we won't know the true strength level of the monster trio before they go all out.

 

[MickNerks]

I dont think that zoro is stronger than luffy but maybe equal .... that I wouldnt argue over !

ok

Question 1) Dragon in my opinion is stronger than the Fleet Admiral who is Akainu. Dragon will be in my opinion stronger than Shanks.

Question 2) No. Luffy is the strongest in the crew and the reason we never see Zoro go all out is because his opponents are far weaker than Luffy's not to mention we haven't seen Luffy go all out either since the time-skip.

1. i've always believed dragon to be stronger than the yonko

2. This may be true. I just watch strong world and Z movies yesterday and zoro handled his oppenents with so much ease.lol But he doe usually get the weaker enemies.

 

[Red Swag]

i always believe that zoro is now stronger than luffy after time skip. he always reminds luffy not to be careless in the NW.

idk i just think hes stronger. zoro would not let ceaser punk him like that, he would murder him asap.

 

[TheHokage]

ok



1. i've always believed dragon to be stronger than the yonko

2. This may be true. I just watch strong world and Z movies yesterday and zoro handled his oppenents with so much ease.lol But he doe usually get the weaker enemies.

Yeah I also believe like in a 1 on 1 situation Dragon would be able to defeat the current Yonkou.

Regarding judging the strength system from the Z movie...well I wouldn't try to be honest I mean the whole strength system for the entire build up for the Z movie was terrible this is purely because the anime always make Luffy weaker than he is in order to make the enemies look stronger like for instance that guy with the weird arms from the Z filler was able to tank luffy's jet Gatling gun with just tekai and then somehow Luffy was able to defeat an ex Admiral who was in his own right giving Kizaru a pretty decent fight. So I wouldn't try gauge the monster trio from that film or anything related to that film.

But honestly I think the reason most people think Zoro is on Luffy's level in strength is because of the opponents they fight for instance Luffy's opponents on FM island and PH were far stronger than Zoro's.

i always believe that zoro is now stronger than luffy after time skip. he always reminds luffy not to be careless in the NW.

idk i just think hes stronger. zoro would not let ceaser punk him like that, he would murder him asap.

Zoro was also talking about himself when he said not to be careless in the NW since he had been knocked out by the Yeti brothers. Also Zoro isn't the type to murder someone asap did you see his fight with Monet he toyed with her and didn't even finish her.

 

[MickNerks]

i always believe that zoro is now stronger than luffy after time skip. he always reminds luffy not to be careless in the NW.

idk i just think hes stronger. zoro would not let ceaser punk him like that, he would murder him asap.

Exactly how i was thinking.

Yeah I also believe like in a 1 on 1 situation Dragon would be able to defeat the current Yonkou.

Regarding judging the strength system from the Z movie...well I wouldn't try to be honest I mean the whole strength system for the entire build up for the Z movie was terrible this is purely because the anime always make Luffy weaker than he is in order to make the enemies look stronger like for instance that guy with the weird arms from the Z filler was able to tank luffy's jet Gatling gun with just tekai and then somehow Luffy was able to defeat an ex Admiral who was in his own right giving Kizaru a pretty decent fight. So I wouldn't try gauge the monster trio from that film or anything related to that film.

But honestly I think the reason most people think Zoro is on Luffy's level in strength is because of the opponents they fight for instance Luffy's opponents on FM island and PH were far stronger than Zoro's.



Zoro was also talking about himself when he said not to be careless in the NW since he had been knocked out by the Yeti brothers. Also Zoro isn't the type to murder someone asap did you see his fight with Monet he toyed with her and didn't even finish her.

Thats true, they did nerf luffy in the beginning

 

[Olorin]

A f????d up Law 1 shot a VA

Luffy>Zoro

As for Dragon, I do belive he is PK level

You can laugh at that all you want but he is Garps son and Luffys father as well as the worlds most wanted criminal, as Roger once was, there is also the MF reactions to ace and luffy

 

[PabloEscobar]

Obviously Dragon is Pirate King Level, check my avi

Zoro is same as strong as Luffy

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[Mephew D Kensei]

Dragon id obviously one of the strongest pple alive and him being Garp prime lvl is an aesy possibility coz u got to wonder when will this prime hyping end.
Zoro is to me very close to Luffy and his behavior does make it seem as hr is stronger with his cooler than Ice personality but dont take anything from Luffy he is strong and overaly slightly stronger but if they were to fight it wld b extreme extreme diff with both being high diff victors over Sanji.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Well if we go by MF Whitebeard "being the strongest man in the world". I say that was incorrect. I think Dragon was and is the strongest man.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Until we see more of Dragon nobody has any idea where he stands on power scaling. He is the MWM but that could be because of his status and huge number of followers, not power.

Zoro is not stronger than Luffy fgs. The gap is very small between the two, but they are not equal.

 

[Olorin]

Well if we go by MF Whitebeard "being the strongest man in the world". I say that was incorrect. I think Dragon was and is the strongest man.

Yey, I finally have an ally on that issue

 

[Fireplay]

Imo Dragon will be slightly stronger or slightly weaker than Shanks. He'll be stronger than Fleet Admiral. Possibly PK level.

Currently neither Zoro nor Luffy can take out all the Vice-admirals in a 1v1. They can beat the ones in the Low-Mid end like Smoker but they aren't beating Momonga or Onigumo. At best Luffy can probably beat Momonga. Zoro beating Vergo (Mid-High tier Vice-admiral) is debatable.

Imo Zoro is closer to Sanji's level (but the way Sanji's been treated lately i might have to reconsider this). Unless Oda does something about this i think end of Dressrosa Zoro will get closer to Luffy's level (unless Sanji undergoes a power-up too). Zoro will never be equal to Luffy though. Btw we haven't seen Luffy, Zoro or Sanji go all out Post-skip. Not just Zoro.

 

[silmarill]

Well if we go by MF Whitebeard "being the strongest man in the world". I say that was incorrect. I think Dragon was and is the strongest man.

I agree with u , not only that but I also believe Shanks was stronger then WB and possibly a few other like Garp, Kong
I never took that "strongest man in the world srsly"

call me ignorant if u want - idc

Also Luffy > Zoro not by alot but Luffy will always be stronger then Zoro

 

[Reaper]

I think he will be a high Yonkou tier being able to fight Shanks on the same level but ultimately not so strong that he can beat him

 

[Olorin]

Currently neither Zoro nor Luffy can take out all the Vice-admirals in a 1v1. They can beat the ones in the Low-Mid end like Smoker but they aren't beating Momonga or Onigumo. At best Luffy can probably beat Momonga. Zoro beating Vergo (Mid-High tier Vice-admiral) is debatable.

a very badly beaten up Law 1-shot Vergo. There are not gonna be that many main villains for Luffy to beat up so that he can be that weak

part 1 (depending on weather you count Arlong) Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, Kuma, Magellan and than MF war (these were the only serious opponents for Luffy), there was Aokijo and Kizaru but as they are Admirals they are not relevant to this

in part 2 if he were weaker than VA's it would be extremely hard for him to make the journey from under-vergo to Roger level, there are many characters that could be main villain (many more than there were in part 1): Doflamingo, 3 Admirals, 1 FA, 4 Yonkous, Luffy as a main character will probably get the main enemies, but if he was now onlyon mid-VA level it would mean that he would have to deal with all these big shots at the very end, and as most of them deserve an arc they need to fight Luffy sooner than in the final stages of the story

I first though Luffy was a bit weaker than I do now, if you look at how powerful Luffy needs to be for the end it is not illogical to say he will beat Doflamingo, I don't have any idea how strong he is but I do think he is not all that far from Admilral level, he is obviously not there yet but not as far as many ppl think

 

[Fireplay]

a very badly beaten up Law 1-shot Vergo. There are not gonna be that many main villains for Luffy to beat up so that he can be that weak

part 1 (depending on weather you count Arlong) Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moria, Kuma, Magellan and than MF war (these were the only serious opponents for Luffy), there was Aokijo and Kizaru but as they are Admirals they are not relevant to this

in part 2 if he were weaker than VA's it would be extremely hard for him to make the journey from under-vergo to Roger level, there are many characters that could be main villain (many more than there were in part 1): Doflamingo, 3 Admirals, 1 FA, 4 Yonkous, Luffy as a main character will probably get the main enemies, but if he was now onlyon mid-VA level it would mean that he would have to deal with all these big shots at the very end, and as most of them deserve an arc they need to fight Luffy sooner than in the final stages of the story

I first though Luffy was a bit weaker than I do now, if you look at how powerful Luffy needs to be for the end it is not illogical to say he will beat Doflamingo, I don't have any idea how strong he is but I do think he is not all that far from Admilral level, he is obviously not there yet but not as far as many ppl think

I'm gauging his strength based on what we know. No doubt after Dressrosa, Luffy and Zoro will be atleast above current Vergo and stronger than the Mid Vice-admirals are now but the High Vice-admirals aren't just sitting around eating chips. They're becoming stronger aswell.

Law oneshotting Vergo can't really be used to gauge Vergo's strength. Law's DF is hax and anyone without strong enough Haki gets oneshotted. Luffy and Zoro included. It's not like Luffy can oneshot Vergo with jet pistol.

Currently Luffy can probably beat Vergo. Zoro is still debatable but by the end of this arc they'll both be able to beat Vergo. We haven't seen what they're capable of but from what we've seen i'm not putting them above the likes of Onigumo.

Also, you have to take into account that Vergo was Dofla's right hand man. People are underrestimating him because he lost to Law and Smoker being the stepping stone that he is makes people think that all the VA's are as weak as him.