MS Sasuke is a fully rested version and full eyesight version of the Sasuke that fought Danzo. The Sasuke at the kage summit arc was weaker, I'll admit but he isn't ranked on this tier list, maybe I'll add him.Good list overall I just have 5 issues that if you can address may help me to see why you place someone where they are.
-MS Sasuke you placed in High Kage, when the Current Kages were able to defeat him, and Danzo as well and you placed them lower than him. IMO MS Sasuke is Mid Kage or Mid-High Kage at best
-Gai w/ Gates is a beast, floored Kisame and deserves to be Mid-High Kage along with his rival
-Early Shippuden Sasuke isn't Low Kage level IMO. He can't compete with most of the people in that list that you made. And I'm not hating on Sasuke ether, IMO Mid-Jounin or High-Jounin is good for him
-Base Gai is High Jounin at least. I don't see how he could be any lower than that
-Kimimaro is not High Jounin level. Base Gai can defeat him, IMO Kimimaro is highly overrated but that's just me
Jiraiya has a better jutsu arsenal. The only thing Naruto has is perfect sage mode giving him frog katas and sage mode sensing. Naruto's FRS admittedly is very strong but Jiraiya's jutsu arsenal and frog combinations is better than Naruto's. Also Naruto fought against a weakened Pain who had already fought and nuked Konoha. Naruto had full intel and all the boss summons were already summoned for him by Ma. Jiraiya went into an unfamiliar village where he was pitted against strange opponents and had no clue on Pain's powers.Sage mode Jiraiya higher than sage mode Naruto I don't think so but the rest seems right to me
Konan is mid kage level even though base Jiraiya beat her easily?Almost every Akatsuki is Kage level , Konan is mid kage.
But fvck me right?
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Sasuke with Juugo fought on par with BSM Naruto against Juubito so by manga portrayal he is up there. Where do you want me to move Obito with jins? I already moved him up on advice from xcoyote but I'm in no mood of moving him up another tier.Obito with Jin should be higher.
Sasuke with juugo should be lower.
over all, good list.
Well Kisame does have what it takes to hold his own against certain high kage tier shinobi but he did admit inferiority to the likes of Itachi and Jiraiya. Feats wise, I can understand what you are saying but he did lose to Gai, who is a tier lower, which goes to show his lack of versatility is what is holding him from going to high kage level.I believe Kisame could be a solid High Kage contender. But, the list is rather nicely done.
Ahh I see but I don't actually go into official debates and barely judge VS match ups between two debaters.I to have heard of his reputation in debating and judging. ._.
He's obviously smart, and seems to be unbias, plus that Cyborg avatar is hitting it for me right now.
I gave Tobirama the benefit of doubt and allowed him the usage ofI think Tobirama is a little high though. He's at best mid Kage. More realistically low kage though
- 3 tomoe Madara making Mid Kage would be incorrect in my opinion considering he has shown only Taijutsu feats with his 3 tomoe and it makes no sense to put him above the likes of Kage.
On the contraire, this Madara blitz'd SM Naruto, so he has got top tier speed. His taijutsu is far above most kage. He showed the second biggest katon so far. And he is good at genjutsu. Not to mention he can summon the nine tails. ._.
Billy was trolling you bro. .-.
No, I think Nagato is above any form of Gaara.Mhm, nice list. Did you think jinchūriki Gaara was above Nagato? [I'm actually wondering]
Here we go...
You are confusing a worn down Sasuke at the kage summit with a healthy full eyesight and fully mastered MS Sasuke. Susanoo arrows interrupt Jinton's charge time.- Onoki should be above MS Sasuke. He literally would've murdered him at one point, and his Jinton is at the point where anything bar Itachi's Susano'o and Perfect Susano'o isn't enough to tank it.
Madara's PS is larger and actually has destructive feats unlike Sasuke's. Not to mention he has superior stamina and Sasuke hasn't use enton/amaterasu on the same scale that Madara and Hashirama casually throw out their techs.- Putting PS Sasuke under EMS Madara without Kurama is a mistake. He has shown the ability to use Perfect Susano'o and stabilize it. And it is completely plausible to say he may coat it within the flames of Amaterasu. Madara's Susano'o is weaker.
That is just the wood dragon, the wood god is stronger and it isn't like Hashirama can stop Naruto from destroying his wood constructs by attacking him with jukai Koutan.- Putting Base Hashirama above Biju Modo Naruto is a mistake. Sennin Modo Naruto was able to destroy base Hashirama's Mokuton Mokuryū. [You must be registered for see links] [You must be registered for see links] [You must be registered for see links] Biju Modo Naruto would be able to at least be on the same tier as him.
I just put Izuna up there because of hype. He was said to be on par with MS Madara and fought battles with Tobirama.- Izuna isn't making High Kage. The only person capable of being in High Kage with merely a Mangekyo Sharingan would be Itachi [or possibly Kakashi].
Meh I dislike putting one whose one tech which is a last resort be placed so high when his other techs pale in comparison.- If featless Izuna can make High Kage, then Kakashi can certainly make it. Kakashi just Kamui'd the arm of the Gedo Mazo before the Kuchiyose [Jikūkan Ninjutsu] could happen. His skill with Kamui puts him much above many.
Madara can blitz most kages easily and even without PS, Madara trashed Mu and Onoki. A regular susanoo doesn't protect from jinton so it was basically a 3 tomoe feat. His feat of blitzing SM Naruto who is ranked higher is very noteworthy. His gunbai's defensive and offensive abilities are nothing to scoff at either.- 3 tomoe Madara making Mid Kage would be incorrect in my opinion considering he has shown only Taijutsu feats with his 3 tomoe and it makes no sense to put him above the likes of Kage.
Actually it is said that Hashirama's chakra reserves are roughly on par with both Naruto's when he had Minato's chakra flowing through him as well. SM Hashirama has shown better feats than BSM Naruto and senjutsu for Hashirama has increased his level of power much more drastically than Naruto's.- And going along with my past point above with Base Hashirama being on the same tier as BM Naruto, BSM Naruto should be on the same tier as SM Hashirama. Naruto's chakra reserves at least doubled [already greater than Hashirama's], his chakra strength has gone to immense levels [Kurama's chakra was already noted to be powerful], and logically speaking, if both Base Hashirama and BM Naruto are on the same tier then gaining Sennin Modo should effectively make them still on the same tier.
Fine I'll move Pain up one tier.- Pein Rikudō is above KM Naruto. He can not escape Chibaku Tensei. [and there is no way to prove that he can either, with current feats]
Okay, if you want scans to back up my opinion, I'll edit them tomorrow.These are all my opinion, don't take it offensively. I could go on, but I'm tired.
You are confusing a worn down Sasuke at the kage summit with a healthy full eyesight and fully mastered MS Sasuke. Susanoo arrows interrupt Jinton's charge time.
Madara's PS is larger and actually has destructive feats unlike Sasuke's. Not to mention he has superior stamina and Sasuke hasn't use enton/amaterasu on the same scale that Madara and Hashirama casually throw out their techs.
That is just the wood dragon, the wood god is stronger and it isn't like Hashirama can stop Naruto from destroying his wood constructs by attacking him with jukai Koutan.
I just put Izuna up there because of hype. He was said to be on par with MS Madara and fought battles with Tobirama.
Meh I dislike putting one whose one tech which is a last resort be placed so high when his other techs pale in comparison.
Madara can blitz most kages easily and even without PS, Madara trashed Mu and Onoki. A regular susanoo doesn't protect from jinton so it was basically a 3 tomoe feat. His feat of blitzing SM Naruto who is ranked higher is very noteworthy. His gunbai's defensive and offensive abilities are nothing to scoff at either.
Actually it is said that Hashirama's chakra reserves are roughly on par with both Naruto's when he had Minato's chakra flowing through him as well. SM Hashirama has shown better feats than BSM Naruto and senjutsu for Hashirama has increased his level of power much more drastically than Naruto's.
Fine I'll move Pain up one tier.
Okay, if you want scans to back up my opinion, I'll edit them tomorrow.
TheYou must be registered for see linksI made was back in January 2013 so essentially a year has passed. Let's see what has changed.
God Tier
Sage of Six Paths as the Juubi jinchuriki
Demi God Tier
Sage of Six Paths without Juubi
Juubito
Sage on his Death bed
Top Legend Tier
Sage mode Rinnegan Madara
Sage mode Hashirama
EMS Madara with Kyubbi
Edo Madara
Mid Legend Tier
BM Minato
BSM Naruto
Juugo + Sasuke PS combo
Base Hashirama
EMS Madara without Kyubbi
Obito with jins
Low Legend Tier
Rinnegan Obito with Gedo Mazou
BM Naruto
PS Sasuke
Healthy Nagato with Gedo Mazou
Legends in the making
KM Minato
MS Obito
KM Naruto
DSM Kabuto
Pre PS EMS Sasuke
Six Paths of Pain
High Kage Level
Alive Minato
Alive Itachi
MS Sasuke
Mu
Killer Bee
Second Mizukage
3rd Raikage
Prime Hiruzen (hype)
Tobirama
Izuna (hype)
Mid-high kage level
Onoki
Prime Hanzo (hype)
SM Jiraiya
Healthy Orochimaru
Danzo
SM Naruto
Kisame
Ay with two arms
MS Kakashi
3rd Kazekage (hype)
Gaara
Sasori
Mid Kage Tier
Ay with one arm
Kakuzu
Deidara
Gai (with gates)
Early Shippuden Gaara
3 tomoe Madara
4th Kazekage
Low-Mid Kage Tier
Tsunade
Base Jiraiya
Mei
Hiashi
3 tomoe Kakashi
*3 Tomoe Sasuke
3 tomoe Itachi
Early Shippuden Sasuke (Before absorbing Orochimaru)
Kitsuchi
Hanzo (feats only)
Sakumo Hatake (hype)
High Jounin/Low Kage Tier
Current Base Naruto
Old Hiruzen (feats only)
Lady Chiyo
Part 1 Tsunade
Konan
Mifune
Fugaku Uchiha (hype)
Sick and Armless Oro
Drugged Jiraiya
Darui
Yin Seal Sakura
Yamato
Temari
Kimimaro
SRA Gaara
Chouji
Hidan
Part 1 Kakashi
Zabuza
Neji
Suigetsu
Gated Rock Lee
Mid Jounin Tier
Kankuro
Base Gai
Part 1 Kabuto
Asuma
Sai
Kurotsuchi
Pakura
Gari
Baki
Dodai
Jugo
Haku
Gemna
Raido
Shikaku
Chouza
Early Shippuden Naruto
Shino
Ibiki
Aoba
Low Jounin Tier
Kurenai
Shizune
Inoichi
SRA Sasuke (CS2 and 3 tomoe sharingan)
SRA Naruto (one tailed form)
CE Lee (with gates)
Kiba
SRA Temari
SRA Neji
Kidomaro
kid Kakashi
CE Gaara (without Shukaku)
Haku
Shikamaru
Base Lee
Omoi
Akatsuschi
Anko
Ebisu
High Chunin
CE Neji
Hinata
Early Shippuden Shikamaru
EP2 Sakura
SRA Kankuro
Sakon/Ukon
Tayuya
Early Shippuden Chouji
CE Sasuke (2 tomoe only after chidori training)
Mid Chunin Tier
SRA Shikamaru
SRA Kiba
Jiroubo
SRA Chouji
Karui
Izumo
Kotetsu
Tenten
CE Lee without weights
Ino
Low Chunin Tier
CE Temari
Shigure
CE Shino
CE Shikamaru
CE Kankuro
CE Weighted Lee
Dosu
Konohamaru
CE Kiba
Demon brothers
Iruka
Mizuki
EP1 Sasuke
EP1 Naruto
High Genin Tier
CE Tenten
Zaku
CE Hinata
CE Chouji
Karin
Kin
Kisume Tsurugi
Low Genin
Part 1 Ino
Part 1 Sakura
Yoroi
Gato's two samurai body guards
Udon
Moegi
Note: I have made several changes to this tier list compared to the one I made a year ago.
For one, Sasuke got the perfect susanoo, Naruto got BSM and the Sasuke + Juugo combo deserved its own spot on the tier list.
I have merged the high jounin and low kage tiers because they were pretty much the same power level. What I did was move Hiashi and Kitsuchi up to low-mid kage level. I ended up dropping base Gai to mid jounin tier.
Sakura got the Yin seal power up so I left EP2 (early part two) Sakura at high chunin tier and put the new one at high jounin/low kage tier. Tsunade got dropped to low-mid kage level, down from mid kage level.
Before Tobirama had any feats, I had estimated him to be on high kage level, just a bit below the likes of Minato and Itachi and now that we look at his feats, my estimations on his power level came true.
Putting Shino and Haku up to mid jounin tier because their Shippuden feats are rather underestimated even though they had very little panel time in Shippuden.
*I am placing current 3 tomoe Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke at the same level. Even though the current 3 tomoe Sasuke lacks cursed seal, it means he has better stamina. Even though Hebi Sasuke had Manda which is superior to Aoda, Aoda wa actually loyal to Sasuke so having Aoda is more useful for Sasuke. Last but not least current 3 tomoe Sasuke has hawk summons while Hebi Sasuke does not. Current 3 tomoe Sasuke also has better speed/reaction feats which could be attributed to EMS but I consider base Sasuke to have any precog granted by his current level of sharingan, which is EMS.
Guy's placement on the list in criminal.