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[NinjaP00PandPEEJutsu]

Depends on the level of the genjutsu.

Itachi wasn't there to kill anyone remember?

 

[xxSAGExx]

Most of Itachis genjutsu is that a victim doesnt even know that hes trapped or kills you in secs not giving you a chance to break it.

Itachi was a pacifist so he wouldn't kill most of his opponents. A ninja with knowledge of Itachi would tell they are in a genjutsu since that's what he's known for. I was more talking about people like Kakashi with his Sharingan, Kurenia who is a genjutsu expert, Sasuke, and other skilled ninjas wouldn't be as cautious as their were if they could break out.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Correct.
Pain bodies dont feel pain at all, it wont work moron.
Orochimaru displayed a great deal of resistance to 3t genjutsu vs itachi and later vs sasuke (until CM) itachi still got tsukuyomi, he should be feared and no1 else is orochimaru.

Edo's are the same so without Sasuke how would he have escaped? And who are you calling moron? Look at most of your post before you starts calling people names, it's not hard to overlook a detail or two. Yet someone as smart as Orochimaru couldn't bite his lips or tongue to break free. You're going off topic, this is about how the requirement for breaking genjutsus differ depending on the level and type and not about Tsukuyomi

 

[AlphaScythian]

Edo's are the same so without Sasuke how would he have escaped? And who are you calling moron? Look at most of your post before you starts calling people names, it's not hard to overlook a detail or two. Yet someone as smart as Orochimaru couldn't bite his lips or tongue to break free. You're going off topic, this is about how the requirement for breaking genjutsus differ depending on the level and type and not about Tsukuyomi

Orochimaru could bite his lips, but he also could go for the Kai. It wouldnt change outcome as in both cases orochimaru had difficulty to move and itachi was there to strike and kill if wanted.
Clearly as an edo itachi couldnt escape it, cuz no pain.
Sound genjutsu are all same it gets stronger or weaker depending of user. Given that kabuto was strong user and the ones he caught in genjutsu still could move heads and talk means that they could brake it with pain.

Sharingan differs from visual genjutsu cuz it also applies hypnosis to it or alone. If one has weak resistance to hypnosis he's toast.
But the fact stands if one is able to inflict self damage he brakes genjutsu, any genjutsu.

 

[Boston Rob]

I was talking about sound genjutsu period lol, they're different types of sound genjutsus just like their is for visual genjutsus. I never said pain wouldn't break sound genjutsu only that it more than likely requires more pain than visual genjutsu so biting of the lip wouldn't work for all genjutsus and that's including visual genjutsus too. Who would be scared to face a Sharingan user if all they had to do was bite their lip? Kurenai did it because that was her genjutsu that was used back on her and she knows it's weak points.

In Shikamaru's case, why use more chakra to make your shadow break your finger if you can save the chakra and bite your lips if it would work? He didn't have a high stamina so why use the chakra?

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and the pain is shown to still be hurting him afterwards so it was worst pain

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The only plot I saw is that if you look at Itachi and Sasuke, they were able to turn their heads to look at Kabuto and each other while Shikamaru's arms in real world resembled how it was in the genjutsu. So Itachi and Sasuke shouldn't even be able to move their heads since their movements were stopped. They escaped by plot over anything.

Still i dont understand what are you trying to prove, pain is pain. Are you trying to say that there are two different type of pain i mean when i broke my finger i will feel different pain than bitting off my lip? It will be different?

 

[VolatileSoul]

Only thing is you're showing 2 different types of Genjutsus, why didn't Shikamaru bite his lips instead of breaking his finger? He obviously knew causing pain to himself would work yet he broke his finger instead. Why didn't Nagato have his 3 Pain bodies bite their lips when Jiraiya used Frog song? Why didn't Sasuke, who was matching Itachi in their genjutsu battle not bite his lips to break out? You see the flaw here? You're expecting the same results with different situations. Shikamaru had to inflict more pain to himself, his finger is shown "Stinging pain" in a few pages after the one you posted.

Plus Kabuto had Senjutsu powering up the genjutsu even more than when the example you provided. Nothing you shown shows you're right when you're using different types of genjutsus. Sakura and Sjikamaru broke out of Kabuto's genjutsu during the Chunin exam yet Naruto didn't break out of Itachi's in shippuden in save Gaara arc. Naruto did the same thing as Sakura to break out yet he didn't. See I used the same type of genjutsus to show my point how it can be different. Both were visual genjutsus.

Pain was disconnected from their bodies. They couldn't so much as twitch. Sasuke could break genjutsu without biting his lip, so it would be pointless.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Pain was disconnected from their bodies. They couldn't so much as twitch. Sasuke could break genjutsu without biting his lip, so it would be pointless.

Not in a sound genjutsu, his Sharingan is powerless to something that doesn't affect his eyes.

Still i dont understand what are you trying to prove, pain is pain. Are you trying to say that there are two different type of pain i mean when i broke my finger i will feel different pain than bitting off my lip? It will be different?

I'm saying there's different level of pain. Example: would you rather get a small cut on from a kunai or a huge slash from a sword? The damage and pain will be different from the wound inflicted. Are you saying biting your lip is the same pain as breaking your finger? breaking your finger seems to be on a higher level of pain than biting your lip, Shikamaru's finger still showed to be in pain afterwards while Kurenai was just fine.

 

[Retsu]

Pretty sure this one won't work with the frog song genjutsu, since you're trapped in a mental cube.

 

[Boston Rob]

Not in a sound genjutsu, his Sharingan is powerless to something that doesn't affect his eyes.



I'm saying there's different level of pain. Example: would you rather get a small cut on from a kunai or a huge slash from a sword? The damage and pain will be different from the wound inflicted. Are you saying biting your lip is the same pain as breaking your finger? breaking your finger seems to be on a higher level of pain than biting your lip, Shikamaru's finger still showed to be in pain afterwards while Kurenai was just fine.

Im saying you can bite your lip as much as you need to brake the genjutsu, there isnt any limits how badly i can bite my lip, is there?
You lost bro.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Im saying you can bite your lip as much as you need to brake the genjutsu, there isnt any limits how badly i can bite my lip, is there?
You lost bro.

Yet Shikamaru, a genius who was one of the few genins to break Kabuto's genjutsu, did not do that did he? Instead he used chakra to make his shadow break his finger. Why use up chakra to break out when he has a little bit of chakra? Unless you can show someone breaking out by biting their lip it's all speculation will the manga shows a genius not do it.

Plus the genjutsu limits your movements so what makes you think you can muster the amount of strength to bit your lips hard enough when Shikamaru couldn't and Sasuke didn't do anything until Itachi told him to look in his eyes so Sasuke had no way of breaking out alone or he would have. Sasuke just do things as he did by shooting arrows at Kabuto or defending Itachi. You lost bro, I gave perfect examples in part 1 and Shippuden.

P.S. Shikamaru wasn't shown talking, does that mean it was plot allowing Itachi and Sasuke to escape? Maybe so since their real bodies weren't in the same stances as they were in the genjutsu, plot.