Do you think Orochimaru finally surprassed Itachi?

[mrcrazyboyravi]

No I don't think so. Only because Kishi had him owned with a simple genjutsu in a split second. I don't see how any of his new feats are going to keep that from happening again

Oro getting caught in a simple genjutsu is like a reckless man slipping in mud.
If oro is careful enough then he will easily defeat Itachi

 

[The Necromancer]

Oro getting caught in a simple genjutsu is like a reckless man slipping in mud.
If oro is careful enough then he will easily defeat Itachi

Well Oro is NOT a careful man. Never has been, and that's his downfall. It's caused his defeat 3 times and caused his "death" twice.

 

[Joker]

Itachi = pre war Orochimaru.

Itachi defeated orochimaru in just short skirmishes. If both had intend to kill and fought full prepared then I believe Orochimaru wins. Because orochimaru have Edo tensei, Manda,Hydra + virtually infinite stamina + all his ninjutusu+ sound ninja fodders at his disposal.

In contrast to that itachi will have to rely on his susasanoo for 24 hour protection and spam amatersu. which will tire him quickly and He will die soon.

Itachi can't defeate the edo hokages especially with Edo Minato at Orochimaru's disposal.

Well said, but I wanna know Itachi's counters for Mayfly, and Zetsu spores. Orochimaru can leech of his chakra, and he can use Mayfly (Which is pretty effing fast, it was only seconds behind Kamui) to outrun him,

 

[Amaterasuice]

Kakashi literally Kamui's Itachi and his Susano'o away. He has better speed and stamina, and equal intelligence. They have similar arsenals filled with Bunshin, but Itachi is a smidge better in genjutsu. Kakashi already knows Tsukuyomi is a one shot, so he wouldn't look in Itachi's eyes. Kakashi wins it 6/10 times.

If Tobirama had two edos with him, he beats Itachi 5/10 times.

While Kakashi has increased a lot, Itachi when he was healthy is far stronger than Itachi. Firstly, Kakashi's speed was already shown by Kishi to be lower than Itachi's. Until proven in the next databook, or stated in the manga, Kakashi is a 4.5/5 in speed, while Itachi has a 5/5.

Now his genjutsu isn't a smidge weaker, it's ridiculously weaker. Though Kakashi, imo, has increased it some.

Their skill is overall the same, Imo, but Itachi just has more powerful jutsu. Kakashi can warp susanoo, if he aims and stands still. Itachi won't let him do that.

Kakashi can warp small things without concentrating and standing still, but Susanoo is just too huge.

I love both Characters a lot though.

 

[Corgi]

While Kakashi has increased a lot, Itachi when he was healthy is far stronger than Itachi. Firstly, Kakashi's speed was already shown by Kishi to be lower than Itachi's. Until proven in the next databook, or stated in the manga, Kakashi is a 4.5/5 in speed, while Itachi has a 5/5.

Now his genjutsu isn't a smidge weaker, it's ridiculously weaker. Though Kakashi, imo, has increased it some.

Their skill is overall the same, Imo, but Itachi just has more powerful jutsu. Kakashi can warp susanoo, if he aims and stands still. Itachi won't let him do that.

Kakashi can warp small things without concentrating and standing still, but Susanoo is just too huge.

I love both Characters a lot though.

I guess the Gedo Mazou's arm is pretty small... And wasn't he about to Kamui the Juubi, but Obito prevented him?

 

[Avinash012]

As of now, no, he can't beat Itachi.

 

[Penguin]

While Kakashi has increased a lot, Itachi when he was healthy is far stronger than Itachi. Firstly, Kakashi's speed was already shown by Kishi to be lower than Itachi's. Until proven in the next databook, or stated in the manga, Kakashi is a 4.5/5 in speed, while Itachi has a 5/5.

I hope you realize the last databook was released before Sasuke had a Susano'o. Not to mention all of the war arc speed feats. :|

Now his genjutsu isn't a smidge weaker, it's ridiculously weaker. Though Kakashi, imo, has increased it some.

It is only a smidge weaker, considering he and Obito were on par with genjutsu, and Obito kept a "perfect" Jin under a genjutsu for years.

Their skill is overall the same, Imo, but Itachi just has more powerful jutsu. Kakashi can warp susanoo, if he aims and stands still. Itachi won't let him do that.

Kamui takes less time to do than any of Itachi's jutsu bar Susano'o.

Kakashi can warp small things without concentrating and standing still, but Susanoo is just too huge.

>Warps the Gedo Mezo's arm in seconds
>Can't warp Susano'o

:|

I love both Characters a lot though.

Cool.

 

[KingHashirama]

Orochimaru was always superior. But the thing is Itachi could counter Oro.

 

[VongolaX]

Without Edo tensei, then not a single chance in hell.

People thinking that Orochimaru with zetsu body can preform a significant mokuton......No way

It took black zetsu (madara's will) to force out a mokuton the size of a twig to trip people.

White zetsu can't even produce any