[VS] Naruto vs Minato with edo powers
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Minato wins. Naruto ain't touching Minatom, not that anything he has can hurt the guy anyway, and nothing Minato has can hurt Naruto. Naruto's Bijuu Mode will eventually run out and then Minato wins. Even if Minato's BM runs out, his form in base is more than enough for even Sage Mode Naruto.
It could go either way really.
Minato is basically a teleporting BM Naruto without FRS and inability to spam clones. Naruto has BSM which means he has a big advantage in firepower over minato as all of his jutsus are boosted by senjutsu, and he also has better reactions due to sennin mode as well.
Minato is basically a teleporting BM Naruto without FRS and inability to spam clones. Naruto has BSM which means he has a big advantage in firepower over minato as all of his jutsus are boosted by senjutsu, and he also has better reactions due to sennin mode as well.
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They both have a kurama. Minato can span clones all he wants. And to add to that any projectile naruto uses gets thrown back at him via space time barrier
Minato can't spam clones all he wants, simply having kurama doesn't allow one to spam clones, it's about skill with the technique. Minato has only used one KCM clone.
Minato needs a tag on naruto in order for him to warp a projectile on to him which is not happening considering minato has to touch the cloak himself and naruto can just cancel whatever part of the cloak it touches. In addition to that, minato can't warp multiple projectiles at the same time, and is his ability to bring up the space time barrier instant.
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1. It's not about skill but reserves and chakra control. A chapter 1 naruto spanned clones when his chakra control was shit. Minato who's chakra control is much better can spam all he wants.
2. Minato needs not to touch naruto since he controls the direction which it leaves the st barrier. As long an the direction is pointing to nardo it's fine.
3. Him warping juubii tbb in base was rather instant. If I do say so myself.
4. Multiple projectiles you say? Multiple clones.
It's completely about skill, there are tons of people who have way better chakra control and at least comparable chakra to chapter 1 naruto, yet they've never made a thousand kagebunshins, the only person who ever has is naruto. Hashirama can't use thousands of bunshins, Tobirama the creator of the technique can't, Kakashi can't, only naruto through his proficiency with the technique has been shown to do it.
Since when has he shown the ability to control the direction? By that logic why would he have to make sure the blast is sent far away from konoha, why not just send the bijuudama straight up into space?
you don't see minato appear until after the juubi's beast bomb is gone, so you can't say that he didn't have to do the same prep he did for the Kyuubi's TBB back in konoha.
When have minato's clones shown the ability to use S/T barrier like he has? If Minato's clones could use the technique, then why weren't he and tobirama able to warp away the 4 juubidamas with kagebunshin?
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1.the reason they can't make that many is due to reserves. Kakashi already explained that to naruto during his frs training. But since minato has dark kurama his reserves are comparable to that of naruto(naruto slightly edging him out due to his moms lineage)
2. He controls which direction it goes in after it leaves point b. Momentum is carried over. He'd have no reason to send it to space since its already away from the village.
3. If he had to do prep it world have slowly disappeared. But it disappeared instantly and no one in the sa took notice until after it exploded in the new location minato sent it to.
4.there's nothing saying he can't since he has the reserves for it. St barrier is only an extension of ftg which his clone has already done.
Kakashi said that immortals arc naruto has 4x more chakra than himself, yet chapter 1 naruto is able to use a thousand bunshins. It's not about reserves, it's about skill with the technique, it's the same reason why naruto is only able to use 3 clones in battle against pain since he's not skilled enough to maintain more clones while the others do complex actions like gather natural energy. Hashirama also has way more chakra than base naruto yet he doesn't make thousands of bunshins, neither does tobirama who is not only the creator of the tech, but also as a senjuu should have way more chakra than naruto as a kid.
Finally, the tech that naruto uses to make many clones is called 'tajuu kagebunshin' which is a kinjutsu that he learned. The kagebunshin tech is not a kinjutsu, it's a typical jounin level technique, but unlike tajuu KB it only creates a few bodies.
Momentum is carried over, but I don't see why minato gets to decide which way that momentum is oriented. And the bolded is illogical since if minato could choose the direction of it, he wouldn't need to send it to a marker away from the village yet he said that it was necessary to send it to far away from the village.
Well if it didn't disappear slowly, then it isn't the space/time barrier jutsu as we saw it disappear slowly despite the kyuubi's bijuudama being much smaller than the juubi's.
Using techniques through kagebunshins isn't only about reserves, it's skill. Hirashin becomes slower when used through kagebunshin, the S/T barrier seems more complex than hiraishin. By the base minato warping away the juubidama logic, he should have been able to warp away the 4 juubidamas with his kurama-level chakra.
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1. Kakashi already made 20 plus clones back in part 1. But due to his RESERVES he can't maintain the technique. So again numbers aren't a problem for shadow clone users. It's whether they have the stamina to maintain the technique. Unless your saying part 1 naruto is better than clone jutsu then kakashi...
Hashi doesn't use shadow clones. He uses wood clones. Completely different so idk why you brought it up. Tobirama never showed the max amount of clones he can make, and he is clearly much more knowledgeable on the tech than naruto.
2. We already saw him change his orientation when using ftg(the way he appeared over obito and the way he saved kid kakashi.) His body wasn't positioned like that before the jump. Space time barrier carries the same principles.
Why would he send it somewhere near the village? It's still a mountain buster.
Look if tbb is heading south and he used ftg to jump it he can make it exit going north since momentum carries over.
3. The anime depicted it slowly but it only took 2 panels. One for entry one for exit. It was the same case with juubi tbb.
4.that was a bad translation. Tobirama said clones won't cut it. And yes that's what he was planning to do even though he was missing an arm. Jubito caught on. An said out loud" I'm not gonna let you jump the entire tree with said 4 tbb."
Kakashi used tajuu kagebunshin in part 1 and 20 clones is absolutely nothing compared to a thousand. Kiba is only capable of making one shadow clone, yet his reserves aren't 1/1000th of chapter 1 naruto all the while his chakra control is far beyond naruto's own.
Wood clones aren't completely different than shadow clones, Tobirama did max out on the clones he could make as he stated he could only make 2 while maintaining the barrier which again shows that the amount of clones one makes isn't just about chakra levels and chakra control, it's about skill with the technique itself.
He changed his orientation, not his momentum When did I say that if he had the option to, he would send it somewhere near the village? I'm saying that minato said the issue was about the bijuudama going off near the village which means he had no control over the direction that the bijuudama would go after he warps it to his marker. If he could have fired it into space, why not warp it away and fire it into space? That reduces the possibility of anyone getting caught in the blast to zero.
No, the manga showed it took more than 2 panels for it to completely get warped and it showed the space/time barrier enclosing the dama. The juubi's dama instantly disappeared and no one knew what had happened.
Can you show me the translation where Tobirama says clones won't cut it? also, if all they are doing is teleporting juubito, then the only reason clones won't cut it is due to the speed at which they can use the S/T techs. Finally, Minato warping the whole tree =/= minato warping the 4 individual TBBs. Tobirama said that both he and minato could only warp one attack each, and then minato said he'd warp the entire tree which is only one structure. So in both cases the limit is how many things minato can warp away (1).
Also, you didn't respond to my point about SM and clone limits or TkB =/= kage bunshin.
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1.no he used kage bunshin. He couldn't maintain it because he doesn't have the reserves. Kiba never said 1 was his max and his reserves are no where near that of naruto.... our part 1naruto for that matter. In fact naruto's reserves are the only reason he can use the technique to that extent his chakra control was crap back then. He couldn't even walk up trees. It all comes back to naruto's ridiculous reserves.
2.wood clones are completely different from shadow clones since wood is used as the medium for the clone, and it doesn't split your chakra up depending on how many clones you make.
2. While maintaining the barrier. We don't know how much chakra was needed to maintain the barrier. That in it of it self limits the how much clones he can make. I'm not even sure if you truly understand how shadow clones work. But that's a different discussion.
3. That means he had no control over its explosion. Him changing its direction near the village doesn't stop it from exploding. Had he sent it straight up near the village the explosion might still effect the village. But him sanding it away from the village(regardless of which direction out left in) insured that the explosion would cause no harm to the village. I.e. a safe place to donate.
4.*********** deletes their chapters after a certain period of time. Sorry. But let's use some logic. If both minato and tobirama know the mutual swap technique even though they lived during separate time periods who would they use the mutual swap tech with if not their clones? And the only way for that technique to work is if it's done at the exact same time. So if the clone is slower the tech can't work. The tree was connected to the tbbs they didn't launch yet. Tobirama said HE can only handle two. He didn't speak on minato's behalf. He ASKED minato how many he could jump and minato hinted at jumping the entire thing. And again that's a 1 handed minato.
I apologise. I didn't see it I was on my phone.
As for sm the only reason he was limited to 5 was because making more would interfere with the two collecting chakra. He already made 1000 plus after he re-entered sm later on in the very same fight. Not only that he disguised them as rocks.
Tkb=kb since the user determines the number of clones made not the tech. If so tell me whats the minimum amount of clones required for tkb.
Minato would murder.
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- Toad summons(naruto's able to summon ma and pa whereas minato quite possibly can't or will take as long as jiraiya, whereas naruto should, theoretically, be able to do it very quickly once entering SM)
- Humanoid and beast Bm mode
- Rasengan
- Bijuu dama
- Chakra arms
- Shadow clones( minato would logically be able to create as many as naruto since naruto uses the kyuubi's chakra to use mass shadow clones)
- Bm enhanced sensing, speed, strength
- Rasenshuriken
- Sage mode -> Which comes with ma and pa and their jutsus
- sexy jutsu
- FTG
- S/T Barrier
- RDS
- sealing jutsu(other)
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This is chapter 1; roughly within the hour of when naruto just learnt the shadow clone ability. Are you saying naruto, after learning shadow clone less than 24 hours ago, is more proficient in the ability than someone like kakashi and itachi who have shadow clones integrated as part of their tactic? Naruto who just learnt a jutsu is more skilled than people using it for years? That makes any sense to you...? It's about chakra, hence why he'd usually only use something like that when he's mad (hence, kyuubi chakra is being funneled into him).