[Establishing Why] Fuuton Rasenshuriken (SM, KCM, BM) > V2 Susanoo

[lanakui8]

For this thread, this will be considered "V2" susanoo:

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The reasoning is pretty simple. Even when Naruto used a half-powered Fuuton rasenshuriken in base, the attack was hyped as being easily the most powerful fuuton in the manga. It's so powerful that it requires such extreme chakra to make that chouji comments on

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and despite his already huge chakra reserves back then, naruto was only capable of using the

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It's so powerful that without even seeing what it can do,

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And it does exactly that, when it hits him,

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,

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, unable to do anything

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Not only that but it also produces a

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which is something that only super concentrated attack such as

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and

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are capable of doing (albeit on a larger scale). Contrast that to

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which don't even cause craters in the ground, and it's clear that FRS is an extremely concentrated attack.

And I'll remind you again that

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When Naruto learns sennin mode, he's able to complete the technique and power it up using senjutsu. Now it's so powerful that it

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much like oonoki's dust release does even when his attack

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The following is an argument about why vaporizing a durable opponent is a very hard feat to do in NV:

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Now before you say "vaporizing a human isn't a big deal", it actually is a big deal when that human is a noteworthy character. Human path is probably the most durable path of pain considering its strong enough to catch SM Jiraiya's sennin mode punches and can still fight after taking a

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, a kick so powerful that it sent him flying across the room and into solid concrete with enough force that

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So human path is the most durable path of pain, yet an indirect hit from FRS vaporizes him. To give you some perspective on what kind of power it takes to vaporize someone like that, take Taka sasuke. He doesn't have super durability, yet when bee hits him with the same lariat that

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He basically only got a portion of his chest removed from an attack that obliterated a chunk out of a mountain. It's the same thing with CS2 Sasuke,

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, yet

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Same think with AT, it produces a massive explosion, yet it doesn't even kill Kisame. So vaporizing a major villain's body and one who has notable durability is a massive power feat for SM FRS.

Anyways, more wank facts about FRS is that even in the war which is 200+ chapters after the technique was first introduces, the attack is still being

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and that's from the shinobi alliance's most powerful fuuton users (well second most powerful =D)

So bottom line is that Fuuton Rasenshuriken is easily the most powerful fuuton in the manga, and an extremely powerful technique in its own right.

Now, why did I go through the trouble of posting that? Well,

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Sasuke's susanoo gets its armor, skin, muscle, and even a small portion of its bone layer blasted open by the fuuton. Sure the fuuton is enhanced by baku's suction, however it still doesn't put it on the same level as even a base Fuuton Rasenshuriken, let alone SM and KCM as no one even tries to comment on how powerful it is or gives the fuuton any kind of hype statements. So if a base Fuuton rasenshuriken is at least powerful enough to blow open Sasuke's V2 susanoo's back, then the much more powerful SM and KCM Fuuton rasenshurikens would most likely destroy the entire construct or shave it down to a small ribcage.

And this is really no downplay on Susanoo's durability, it's more like giving Fuuton Rasenshuriken the respect it deserves as the technique has been given some pretty ridiculous destruction feats.
They range from creating a massive explosion that fills up half the chibaku tensei crater:

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That crater being the length of a small mountain range:

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Incapacitating 50% Kurama:

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The same beast that doesn't even get knocked down after taking 27 SM Chou oodama Rasengans to the face:

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And the databook states that just one SM Chou oodama rasengan has enough power to hollow out a mountain.

And cutting the juubi's tails:

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the same tails that withstood a bijuudama and a barrage of gigantic slicer fuutons, gigantic chakra blades and hyuuga air palms:

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For those of you who don't want to read all the reasoning, here's my argument in a nutshell:
BM FRS> SM/KCM FRS>>> Base FRS> Danzou's baku-powered fuuton

Danzou's fuuton blew open the back of sasuke's V2 susanoo, therefore SM/KCM FRS probably destroys the whole thing.

 

[Penguin]

I doubt the whole thing, but nice.

 

[adeshina365]

Edit: eh, nvm

 

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[cyberzone10]

Senjutsu Susanoo>>>>>Fuuton Foddershuriken .

Come at me.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

For this thread, this will be considered "V2" susanoo:

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The reasoning is pretty simple. Even when Naruto used a half-powered Fuuton rasenshuriken in base, the attack was hyped as being easily the most powerful fuuton in the manga. It's so powerful that it requires such extreme chakra to make that chouji comments on

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and despite his already huge chakra reserves back then, naruto was only capable of using the

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It's so powerful that without even seeing what it can do,

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And it does exactly that, when it hits him,

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,

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, unable to do anything

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Not only that but it also produces a

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which is something that only super concentrated attack such as

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and

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are capable of doing (albeit on a larger scale). Contrast that to

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which don't even cause craters in the ground, and it's clear that FRS is an extremely concentrated attack.

And I'll remind you again that

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When Naruto learns sennin mode, he's able to complete the technique and power it up using senjutsu. Now it's so powerful that it

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much like oonoki's dust release does even when his attack

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The following is an argument about why vaporizing a durable opponent is a very hard feat to do in NV:

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Now before you say "vaporizing a human isn't a big deal", it actually is a big deal when that human is a noteworthy character. Human path is probably the most durable path of pain considering its strong enough to catch SM Jiraiya's sennin mode punches and can still fight after taking a

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, a kick so powerful that it sent him flying across the room and into solid concrete with enough force that

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So human path is the most durable path of pain, yet an indirect hit from FRS vaporizes him. To give you some perspective on what kind of power it takes to vaporize someone like that, take Taka sasuke. He doesn't have super durability, yet when bee hits him with the same lariat that

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He basically only got a portion of his chest removed from an attack that obliterated a chunk out of a mountain. It's the same thing with CS2 Sasuke,

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, yet

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Same think with AT, it produces a massive explosion, yet it doesn't even kill Kisame. So vaporizing a major villain's body and one who has notable durability is a massive power feat for SM FRS.

Anyways, more wank facts about FRS is that even in the war which is 200+ chapters after the technique was first introduces, the attack is still being

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and that's from the shinobi alliance's most powerful fuuton users (well second most powerful =D)

So bottom line is that Fuuton Rasenshuriken is easily the most powerful fuuton in the manga, and an extremely powerful technique in its own right.

Now, why did I go through the trouble of posting that? Well,

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As you can see in this scan:

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Sasuke's susanoo gets its armor, skin, muscle, and even a small portion of its bone layer blasted open by the fuuton. Sure the fuuton is enhanced by baku's suction, however it still doesn't put it on the same level as even a base Fuuton Rasenshuriken, let alone SM and KCM as no one even tries to comment on how powerful it is or gives the fuuton any kind of hype statements. So if a base Fuuton rasenshuriken is at least powerful enough to blow open Sasuke's V2 susanoo's back, then the much more powerful SM and KCM Fuuton rasenshurikens would most likely destroy the entire construct or shave it down to a small ribcage.

And this is really no downplay on Susanoo's durability, it's more like giving Fuuton Rasenshuriken the respect it deserves as the technique has been given some pretty ridiculous destruction feats.
They range from creating a massive explosion that fills up half the chibaku tensei crater:

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That crater being the length of a small mountain range:

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Incapacitating 50% Kurama:

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The same beast that doesn't even get knocked down after taking 27 SM Chou oodama Rasengans to the face:

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And the databook states that just one SM Chou oodama rasengan has enough power to hollow out a mountain.

And cutting the juubi's tails:

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the same tails that withstood a bijuudama and a barrage of gigantic slicer fuutons, gigantic chakra blades and hyuuga air palms:

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For those of you who don't want to read all the reasoning, here's my argument in a nutshell:
BM FRS> SM/KCM FRS>>> Base FRS> Danzou's baku-powered fuuton

Danzou's fuuton blew open the back of sasuke's V2 susanoo, therefore SM/KCM FRS probably destroys the whole thing.

You took some words out of context.

1.Took out of context when it was talking about Naruto mastering the jutsu. It was still incomplete, as proven when he was facing Kakuzu, and it turn off.[

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]. It had nothing to do with his chakra reserves.
2. 50% Rasen shiruken. The context never said anything about "power-wise". Yamato explains this when Naruto messed up the first time[

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], which once again talking about mastering the precision.
3. This technique has the same range and damage shown through out the manga, not including with Senjutsu's cutting power boost.

The rest is ABC logic when all the other techniques you post, damage differently then each other.

 

[lanakui8]

You took some words out of context.

1.Took out of context when it was talking about Naruto mastering the jutsu. It was still incomplete, as proven when he was facing Kakuzu, and it turn off.[

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It had nothing to do with his chakra reserves.

I pretty much stated exactly that when I said at that point, his jutsu was only at 50%. I don't remember saying that his chakra reserves were responsible for his jutsu being incomplete.

2. 50% Rasen shiruken. The context never said anything about "power-wise". Yamato explains this when Naruto messed up the first time[

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], which once again talking about mastering the precision.

It's got nothing to do with precision, he straight up was unable to complete the technique which is why the technique isn't nearly as powerful as it is when he uses it in SM and KCM. Even the databook states that the one used against Kakuzu was only at 50% and that when the jutsu is completed, there's no telling how much destructive power it will posses:

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Wind Release: Spiralling Shuriken (風遁・螺旋手裏剣, Fuuton: Rasen Shuriken)
Ninjutsu, S-rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
User: Uzumaki Naruto

The "Wind" sharpens the "spiral," turning it into a blade who's one hit means certain death!!

"Extreme"~~ Certainly, that's the most appropriate word for this technique. Adding "Wind" "nature manipulation" to the Rasengan, already boasting tremendous destructive power by having raised "shape transformation" to its utmost limits...!! With this sharp blade of wind, the killing power is drastically increased...!! Its weak point is that one needs to get close to and a hit. On the other hand, there is no-one who can withstand a direct hit. Even so, currently it's only 50% completed. The destructive power it will have once completed is unimaginable!!

The technique left behind by a great hero is brought to a new height~~!!

[picture of Naruto using two Shadow Clones to infuse Wind chakra into the Rasengan]
↑The completed "Rasengan" is infused with "Wind" chakra!!

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[picture of Naruto nearing Kakuzu with the Spiralling Shuriken]
←While the "shuriken" is spinning at high speed, it is thrust directly into the opponent's chest~~!!

The countless blades produced by the violent wind pierce and destroy everything!!

↓Countless blades cut into the target!! It's impossible to see through that number of attacks.
[picture of the Spiralling Shuriken destroying Kakuzu]

[picture of the vortex created by the Spiralling Shuriken]
↑The tornado-like gale resounds with a thunderous roar!! Afterwards, nothing remains but the ruins of the enemy and the silence after the storm.

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The "Wind" nature transformation that makes the "spiral" what it should be: the strongest!!

As the name suggest, its shape resembles that of a giant shuriken. However, it is actually composed of microscopic blades. The wind chakra whirling around the "spiral" is changed into countless blades, all striking the target at once......!!

[picture of the Wind Release: Rasengan]
[picture showing how cells are destroyed with the Spiralling Shuriken]
→↑The chakra, shaped like tiny swords, directly severs the meridians* tying the body's cells together...!!

*The pathways connecting the vital points in the body, as used in acupuncture.

The manga also proves that it was talking about the technique being at 50% power, not about 'precision' when SM Naruto is trying to complete the technique as we see the difference in power of the technique

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3. This technique has the same range and damage shown through out the manga, not including with Senjutsu's cutting power boost.

The AoE is the same, however the damage it does to its targets within that AoE is completely different as the very durable Human path gets vaporized by not even getting directly hit by the attack, 50% Kurama gets incapacitated, and when it goes off in an explosion, it covers half the chibaku tensei crater. So what you said about the range is correct, what you said about the damage is completely false the KCM, SM and BM versions are way more powerful than the 50% base version used on kakuzu despite having the same AoE.

The rest is ABC logic when all the other techniques you post, damage differently then each other.

They might do damage differently, but the NET damage is going to operate by ABC logic. FRS massive power disparity over danzou's fuuton makes up for its larger AoE when it explodes into a wind sphere. Thus it does destroy the whole susanoo. If I were using fallacious A<B<C logic like you suggest, I would have said that since Danzou's fuuton penetrated susanoo and exposed sasuke, FRS does the same except much worse meaning it cuts right through Susanoo and through sasuke.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The parts I deleted, I concede on those points.

The AoE is the same, however the damage it does to its targets within that AoE is completely different as the very durable Human path gets vaporized by not even getting directly hit by the attack, 50% Kurama gets incapacitated, and when it goes off in an explosion, it covers half the chibaku tensei crater. So what you said about the range is correct, what you said about the damage is completely false the KCM, SM and BM versions are way more powerful than the 50% base version used on kakuzu despite having the same AoE.

The hype was thrown out when this jutsu landed on 3rd Raikage. So if we were to compare the durability of Human Path to 3rd Raikage, what exactly would this jutsu do to Sussanoo.

They might do damage differently, but the NET damage is going to operate by ABC logic. FRS massive power disparity over danzou's fuuton makes up for its larger AoE when it explodes into a wind sphere. Thus it does destroy the whole susanoo. If I were using fallacious A<B<C logic like you suggest, I would have said that since Danzou's fuuton penetrated susanoo and exposed sasuke, FRS does the same except much worse meaning it cuts right through Susanoo and through sasuke.

The effects of FRS is much different. SM focus on cutting damage. Base-Kyuubi: Exploding damage with tiny spikes[

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[lanakui8]

The hype was thrown out when this jutsu landed on 3rd Raikage. So if we were to compare the durability of Human Path to 3rd Raikage, what exactly would this jutsu do to Sussanoo.

How was the hype thrown out when it landed on the third raikage? FRS was still hyped as being by far the most powerful fuuton in the manga at that point, it's just that the third raikage with his RnY and edo tensei regen wasn't something that FRS could overcome.

Unless you have some way of showing how sandaime raikage's durability compares to susanoo's durability, it doesn't say anything about how the jutsu does against susanoo, rather based on susanoo getting blown open by danzou's fuuton, it says RnY sandaime raikage is way more durable than V2 susanoo.

The effects of FRS is much different. SM focus on cutting damage. Base-Kyuubi: Exploding damage with tiny spikes[

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they are all the same, the technique explodes either when naruto wants it to (like what he did against human path and the juubi's mokuton rain) or when it hits something that's very durable. Naruto also has the option of not making it explode if he maintains it in his hand like he did against the juubi's tails.

Also it's not "base-Kyuubi", it's KCM FRS, naruto hasn't shown or have been implied to be capable of even firing off FRS in base, and his kyuubi chakra attacks are much more potent than what they are in base.

Finally, even if their affects were different, their damage would be the same, and thus the KCM ones would explode and destroy susanoo by eating away at it from the outside in while the SM one would just cut right through it and the susanoo user (something that I don't believe will happen considering susanoo is durable thus it explodes).

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How was the hype thrown out when it landed on the third raikage? FRS was still hyped as being by far the most powerful fuuton in the manga at that point, it's just that the third raikage with his RnY and edo tensei regen wasn't something that FRS could overcome.

Unless you have some way of showing how sandaime raikage's durability compares to susanoo's durability, it doesn't say anything about how the jutsu does against susanoo, rather based on susanoo getting blown open by danzou's fuuton, it says RnY sandaime raikage is way more durable than V2 susanoo.

Wrong he was famous for his durability. [

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]<- due to its inferior element.

Naruto's attack damage start microscopic for the best damage. Once you can deal with that, you just need a durable body to not disintegrate from the explosion.

If we look at the damage to Sussanoo, I fail to see he destroying Sussanoo. But damaging it alot.

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they are all the same, the technique explodes either when naruto wants it to (like what he did against human path and the juubi's mokuton rain) or when it hits something that's very durable. Naruto also has the option of not making it explode if he maintains it in his hand like he did against the juubi's tails.

Also it's not "base-Kyuubi", it's KCM FRS, naruto hasn't shown or have been implied to be capable of even firing off FRS in base, and his kyuubi chakra attacks are much more potent than what they are in base.

Finally, even if their affects were different, their damage would be the same, and thus the KCM ones would explode and destroy susanoo by eating away at it from the outside in while the SM one would just cut right through it and the susanoo user (something that I don't believe will happen considering susanoo is durable thus it explodes).

Rasengan is really really similar to TBB as I have notice.
Point Taken concerning Rasengan effects.

 

[lanakui8]

Wrong he was famous for his durability. [

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His RnY greatly increases his durability, just like ei's does even if the attacks are fuutons. Elemental affinity doesn't mean it simply negates the power of the weaker element. Example:

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while elemental affinity logic suggests they wouldn't need a suiton that big.

Naruto's attack damage start microscopic for the best damage. Once you can deal with that, you just need a durable body to not disintegrate from the explosion.

it's more like your body has to be the most durable body in NV + RnY in order to not get disintegrated by the attack.

If we look at the damage to Sussanoo, I fail to see he destroying Sussanoo. But damaging it alot.

I don't see what argument you've made to support that assertion, while on the other hand I've given you:
- FRS >>> danzou's fuuton = breaches V2 susanoo
- given you FRS > 27 mountain hollowers
- given you FRS = multi-mountain level explosion
- given you FRS cuts the juubi tails that can withstand giant slicer fuutons, chakra blades, a bijuudama and super powered air palms.

 

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This is me after reading the title:

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His RnY greatly increases his durability, just like ei's does even if the attacks are fuutons. Elemental affinity doesn't mean it simply negates the power of the weaker element. Example:

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while elemental affinity logic suggests they wouldn't need a suiton that big.


it's more like your body has to be the most durable body in NV + RnY in order to not get disintegrated by the attack.


I don't see what argument you've made to support that assertion, while on the other hand I've given you:
- FRS >>> danzou's fuuton = breaches V2 susanoo
- given you FRS > 27 mountain hollowers
- given you FRS = multi-mountain level explosion
- given you FRS cuts the juubi tails that can withstand giant slicer fuutons, chakra blades, a bijuudama and super powered air palms.

If so, then why did he recover within 2 pages? If he was inferior to it, you'd have seen part of his body missing or him regenerating slowly

 

[lanakui8]

If so, then why did he recover within 2 pages? If he was inferior to it, you'd have seen part of his body missing or him regenerating slowly

I don't think I said he was inferior to FRS. Had he been alive and not an edo however, he would have suffered at least minor internal damage considering Kakuzu got every cell in his body pierced by chakra needles yet his body was pretty much in tact.

Sandaime raikage on the other hand, got some small external wounds and emitted a few edo papers, however the reason he was internally damaged by it was that despite only showing little injury from the FRS, he couldn't even get up until the sealing squad had their wraps around his body. If you look at all the other edos like the seven swordsman, madara, nagato, itachi, kin/gin, they can move perfectly well even after their limbs are severed and blown off, or even after they get ripped in half. So sandaime was incapable of moving until edotensei regenerated the microscopic damage done to his cells.

 

[Chīkara]

Choodama fuuton rasen shuriken wasnt even able to destroy madara who
Was stuck in gates...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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His RnY greatly increases his durability, just like ei's does even if the attacks are fuutons. Elemental affinity doesn't mean it simply negates the power of the weaker element. Example:

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while elemental affinity logic suggests they wouldn't need a suiton that big.


it's more like your body has to be the most durable body in NV + RnY in order to not get disintegrated by the attack.


I don't see what argument you've made to support that assertion, while on the other hand I've given you:
- FRS >>> danzou's fuuton = breaches V2 susanoo
- given you FRS > 27 mountain hollowers
- given you FRS = multi-mountain level explosion
- given you FRS cuts the juubi tails that can withstand giant slicer fuutons, chakra blades, a bijuudama and super powered air palms.

1. The scan looks like he was being cut in half, because of the manga lack coloring via black and white issue. This was the comment right after you that scan[

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]. "Its like were not even touching him". Also Read Dodai's comment to further support this[

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2nd scan, showed FRS completely bypassing/cutting through the armor, much like it did when it whiff him, only cutting off part of his clothes( waist band) that were armored too[

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]<- First panel.

Last Point:

Your comparison are flawed since the stuff Naruto was cutting weren't even mountains...

Also your cutting power is flawed, saying FRS>>>>>.

 

[lanakui8]

Choodama fuuton rasen shuriken wasnt even able to destroy madara who
Was stuck in gates...

Which he obviously either absorbed or used a giant susanoo to survive considering he gets kicked in half by lee, erased by jinton, and is forced to activate preta path against a normal FRS.

1. The scan looks like he was being cut in half, because of the manga lack coloring via black and white issue. This was the comment right after you that scan[

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]. "Its like were not even touching him". Also Read Dodai's comment to further support this[

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I'm not saying the scan shows him getting cut in half, I'm just saying that the scan showed him taking more external damage from that attack than he took from FRS and that it did do some noticeable damage to him despite being way weaker than FRS. That shows how much his durability increases when he's clad in RnY.

2nd scan, showed FRS completely bypassing/cutting through the armor, much like it did when it whiff him, only cutting off part of his clothes( waist band) that were armored too[

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]<- First panel.

Sure, it cut through the armor that was covering his clothing. That doesn't mean that it completely bypassed through the armor surrounding his body considering Sandaime's clothing doesn't even have a mark where FRS should have touched it.

Last Point:
Your comparison are flawed since the stuff Naruto was cutting weren't even mountains...
Also your cutting power is flawed, saying FRS>>>>>.

1) I never said it was mountains naruto was cutting, I only said the FRS produces a multi-mountain level explosion
2) Why is my 'cutting power flawed saying FRS >>>>>'? I've explained that regardless of how FRS does its damage to susanoo, the NET total it does is going to be constant. So if it explodes into a wind sphere, sure it's going to have a greater AoE, but FRS is also much more powerful than danzou's fuuton to begin with so that makes up for its power being displaced across a greater AoE resulting in Susanoo being destroyed.

Also, you didn't give me your answer as to why Sasuke's susanoo doesn't get busted.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I do believe it will get busted. What I don't believe is that it will carry the same cutting power Danzo did with his Fuuton+Baku, which is strictly focused on cutting. Rasengan is not strictly meant to have the best cutting power to do the same job as what Danzo displayed. When Naruto launch at RyN it cutting power wasn't much as what Danzo could have displayed by his feats.

What does NET mean

 

[lanakui8]

I do believe it will get busted. What I don't believe is that it will carry the same cutting power Danzo did with his Fuuton+Baku, which is strictly focused on cutting. Rasengan is not strictly meant to have the best cutting power to do the same job as what Danzo displayed.

If it doesn't explode, Fuuton rasenshuriken has way more cutting power than danzou's fuuton considering

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When Naruto launch at RyN it cutting power wasn't much as what Danzo could have displayed by his feats.

What are those feats though? If the rasenshuriken simply bypassed the RnY armor, we'd expect to see it at least cut Sandaime's clothing, but it didn't even do that. Sandaime with RnY is just that durable, FRS explodes taking out his RnY and slightly damaging him. Danzou's fuuton would not have damaged him either.

What does NET mean

Net = sum total, in the context of the thread, it means regardless of the way it inflicts that damage, the total damage FRS will do to susanoo will be much greater than what danzou's fuuton does.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. You do know Naruto and SA were from the side of the Juubi tail... If we look at a different angle, SA passes the one you claim Naruto cut[

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2. Ill wait for your (1.) answer

3. Got it. But I don't agree with yet is the cutting power.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Couldn't take out a defenseless edo madara. No feats suggesting it's cutting susano'o.

"BM FRS> SM/KCM FRS>>> Base FRS> Danzou's baku-powered fuuton" This is just speculated nonsense.