[Discussion] Remaining Logia fruits?

[24 12 11 to troll]

I think Oda made a mistake in introducing so many Logia fruits during P1 of the series as there's not many possible remaining Logia fruits. There's already:

Moku Moku no Mi - Plume Plume Fruit - Used by Smoker
Suna Suna no Mi - Sand Sand Fruit - Used by Crocodile
Mera Mera no Mi - Flare Flare Fruit - Used by Ace
Goro Goro no Mi - Rumble Rumble Fruit - Used by Enel
Hie Hie no Mi - Chill Chill Fruit - Used by Kuzan
Yami Yami no Mi - Dark Dark Fruit - Used by Teach
Pika Pika no Mi - Glint Glint Fruit - Used by Borsalino
Magu Magu no Mi - Magma Magma Fruit - Used by Sakazuki
Numa Numa no Mi - Swamp Swamp Fruit - Used by Caribou
Gasu Gasu no Mi - Gas Gas Fruit - Used by Caesar
Yuki Yuki no Mi - Snow Snow Fruit - Used by Monet

I just think that he introduced not just too many Logias in the first half of the series, but too many Logias at the start of the time skip (3 of them). But what's left?

To figure this out we need to look at Ancient "Elements":
Fire: Mera Mera no Mi, Moku Moku no Mi, Gasu Gasu no Mi, Magu Magu no Mi (Relates to the Underworld, one of the two realms outside of Earth)
Earth: Suna Suna no Mi, Numa Numa no Mi
Water: Hie Hie no Mi, Yuki Yuki no Mi
Wind: ???????

The two realms external to Earth (Overworld and Underworld):
Overworld: Goro Goro no Mi, Pika Pika no Mi
Underworld: Yami Yami no Mi, Magu Magu no Mi (Relates to fire)

Well one Element missing completely is the Wind Element. The Water and Earth elements are also lacking. So I think that there will be two more Earth based Logias and two more Water based Logias as well as a few Wind based Logias. For example:
Kinzo Kinzo no Mi - Metal Metal Fruit - In the Earth element
Iwa Iwa no Mi - Rock Rock Fruit - In the Earth element
Kura Kura no Mi - Cloud Cloud Fruit - In the Water Element
Sae Sae no Mi - Leaf Leaf Fruit - In the Water Element (also Earth. But Primarily water)

Are there any other possible Logias that you guys can think of?

 

[Misconception]

Why isn't there a Water logia yet.???

Air Air no Mei...
Oil Oil no Mei...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Why isn't there a Water logia yet.???

Air Air no Mei...
Oil Oil no Mei...

Because a Water Logia would go against the very concept of a Devil Fruit being weak to and in Water. Being water would mean instant death for whomever ate such a fruit. The closest to a water Logia you can get is either Fishman Karate or one of Hie Hie and Yuki Yuki no mi's being melted.

How is Oil an "element"? That (if anything) would be a Paramecia like Mr 3's Doru Doru no Mi and Magellans Doku Doku no Mi.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Why isn't there a Water logia yet.???

Air Air no Mei...
Oil Oil no Mei...

Yeah, there was some guy who had Mizu Mizu no Mi... He was associating with Roger and Newgate in the past. Don't remember where I read that from.

Or wasn't the guy who was trying to rob Luffy, Zoro and Sanji that one? He turned to liquid many times if I remember right.

Although, it could've been fanfiction too.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Yeah, there was some guy who had Mizu Mizu no Mi... He was associating with Roger and Newgate in the past. Don't remember where I read that from.

Or wasn't the guy who was trying to rob Luffy, Zoro and Sanji that one? He turned to liquid many times if I remember right.

Although, it could've been fanfiction too.

A guy trying to Rob the M3? What? If you're talking about Caribou being on the Sunny and in Fishman Island ; he was Swamp. Not Water. Nobody can be water.

 

[Titania Erza]

I am way more interested in myhtical beast Zoan then in Logia. And to be honest, logia is powerfull, but Paramecia types are way more interesting and have way more development behind them. And sometimes the border between Paramecia and Logia isnt that big.

For example Megallan with his Doku Doku no Mi could easily be made into a logia, if he could turn his body into poisson.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I am way more interested in myhtical beast Zoan then in Logia. And to be honest, logia is powerfull, but Paramecia types are way more interesting and have way more development behind them. And sometimes the border between Paramecia and Logia isnt that big.

For example Megallan with his Doku Doku no Mi could easily be made into a logia, if he could turn his body into poisson.

Poison isn't an element or related to an ancient element. So it's impossible for it to be a Logia or anything close. Think of a Logia as a Devil Fruit allowing a user to control and become something which had atmospheric and environmental value e.g. Weather states and Elements. Poison is neither an atmospheric changer , nor is it an environmental aspect.

Logias are very interesting. As they have a lot of potential and sometimes their powers clash. Zoans are less interesting to me as the only interesting thing about them is speculating Kaidous DF. Paramecias are obviously the most interesting though for the reasons you stated.

So can you now please contribute to the thread? Or are you just going to waste peoples time posting something entirely irrelevant?

 

[Fireplay]

It's mythical Zoan time. Anyways...

Wind Wind no Mi
Wood Wood no Mi?
Leaf Leaf no Mi?

Pre-skip was about Logia invincibility. I think Post-skip we'll see some cool paramecia (like Fuji's gravity) and possibly mythical zoan.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It's mythical Zoan time. Anyways...

Wind Wind no Mi
Wood Wood no Mi?
Leaf Leaf no Mi?

Leaf would basically be wood. But I doubt a fruit would be called the Wood Wood fruit, because that would mean it's called the Mokuzai Mokuzai no Mi. Too much of a mouthful. And if you shorten it, it would have the same name as an already existing Devil Fruit.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I think Oda made a mistake in introducing so many Logia fruits during P1 of the series as there's not many possible remaining Logia fruits. There's already:

Moku Moku no Mi - Plume Plume Fruit - Used by Smoker
Suna Suna no Mi - Sand Sand Fruit - Used by Crocodile
Mera Mera no Mi - Flare Flare Fruit - Used by Ace
Goro Goro no Mi - Rumble Rumble Fruit - Used by Enel
Hie Hie no Mi - Chill Chill Fruit - Used by Kuzan
Yami Yami no Mi - Dark Dark Fruit - Used by Teach
Pika Pika no Mi - Glint Glint Fruit - Used by Borsalino
Magu Magu no Mi - Magma Magma Fruit - Used by Sakazuki
Numa Numa no Mi - Swamp Swamp Fruit - Used by Caribou
Gasu Gasu no Mi - Gas Gas Fruit - Used by Caesar
Yuki Yuki no Mi - Snow Snow Fruit - Used by Monet

I just think that he introduced not just too many Logias in the first half of the series, but too many Logias at the start of the time skip (3 of them). But what's left?

To figure this out we need to look at Ancient "Elements":
Fire: Mera Mera no Mi, Moku Moku no Mi, Gasu Gasu no Mi, Magu Magu no Mi (Relates to the Underworld, one of the two realms outside of Earth)
Earth: Suna Suna no Mi, Numa Numa no Mi
Water: Hie Hie no Mi, Yuki Yuki no Mi
Wind: ???????

The two realms external to Earth (Overworld and Underworld):
Overworld: Goro Goro no Mi, Pika Pika no Mi
Underworld: Yami Yami no Mi, Magu Magu no Mi (Relates to fire)

Well one Element missing completely is the Wind Element. The Water and Earth elements are also lacking. So I think that there will be two more Earth based Logias and two more Water based Logias as well as a few Wind based Logias. For example:
Kinzo Kinzo no Mi - Metal Metal Fruit - In the Earth element
Iwa Iwa no Mi - Rock Rock Fruit - In the Earth element
Kura Kura no Mi - Cloud Cloud Fruit - In the Water Element
Sae Sae no Mi - Leaf Leaf Fruit - In the Water Element (also Earth. But Primarily water)

Are there any other possible Logias that you guys can think of?

You made many mistakes in your interpretation of the fruits. If we go by your categories:

Fire: Mera Mera (Flame/Fire), Magu Magu (Lava/Magma)
Earth: Suna Suna (Sand/Arid), Numa Numa (Swamp/Mud)
Water: Hie Hie (Ice) Yuki Yuki (Snow)
Wind: Moku Moku (Cloud/Smoke), Gas Gas (All Gaseous Elements/Wind)

Light/Overworld: Pika Pika (Light), Goro Goro (Lightning)
Dark/Underworld: Yami Yami (Dark/Void)

There's also the Filler Logias, from the Anime, Movies, Games, etc, which are technically run by Oda and approved, so them and similar concepts will not happen in the actual manga. These are Pasa Pasa (Paper, under Earth), Toro Toro (Liquid/Jelly, under Water) and Ame Ame (Candy/Syrup, under Water). But then again, these do not fall under cannon Logia concepts, which are natural elements, not these byproducts.


Your misconception of Smoker's fruit also voids your Cloud suggestion. Of those, I don't think organic elements will happen as a Logia, only as Paramecia (And we already have a Plant user (Z Movie), which was Paramecia, and a Mushroom User (Drum Kingdom Movie), which was Paramecia), then again, there is an unknown Green Admiral, so, if I were to bet, it would be Wood, since it is considered an element. Iwa Iwa, as in, Rock element, should be able to happen. Some sort of Metal might happen (Or maybe even all metals, a la Ceasar's Gas Gas), but it might collide too much with the Blade user (Mr 1). But I would like there to be a Gold Gold Logia, because, being the element most connected with riches, would probably mean a very cocky and magnanimous user, imo, which would be interesting, and, as per Luffy vs Enel fight, we saw them manipulating Gold, the user could just behave similarly. Upon the introduction of Gas, a Wind logia similar to Naruto's Wind is most likely not going to happen, or, if it does, it will be more like Storm, controlling the weather (Dragon xD). Maybe we'll get something like Plasma Plasma, like heated gas. Radiation/Radioactive itself would probably be a Paramecia.

So yeah, I don't know lol.

 

[scorezor]

wait dude , Teach isn't a logia :|

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You made many mistakes in your interpretation of the fruits. If we go by your categories:

Fire: Mera Mera (Flame/Fire), Magu Magu (Lava/Magma)
Earth: Suna Suna (Sand/Arid), Numa Numa (Swamp/Mud)
Water: Hie Hie (Ice) Yuki Yuki (Snow)
Wind: Moku Moku (Cloud/Smoke), Gas Gas (All Gaseous Elements/Wind)

Light/Overworld: Pika Pika (Light), Goro Goro (Lightning)
Dark/Underworld: Yami Yami (Dark/Void)

Magma is both Dark/Underworld and Fire based. I said so in my list. Smoke only occurs when something burns (henceforth why it is in the category of fire), gas is both wind and fire.

There's also the Filler Logias, from the Anime, Movies, Games, etc, which are technically run by Oda and approved, so them and similar concepts will not happen in the actual manga. These are Pasa Pasa (Paper, under Earth), Toro Toro (Liquid/Jelly, under Water) and Ame Ame (Candy/Syrup, under Water). But then again, these do not fall under cannon Logia concepts, which are natural elements, not these byproducts.

The non-cannon logias in my opinion are totally irrelevant and are actually really stupid. Like you said, they don't follow cannon laws and pretty much defy the "genetic makeup" of Logia fruits, so to speak.

Your misconception of Smoker's fruit also voids your Cloud suggestion. Of those, I don't think organic elements will happen as a Logia, only as Paramecia (And we already have a Plant user (Z Movie), which was Paramecia, and a Mushroom User (Drum Kingdom Movie), which was Paramecia),

Fair enough. But I can still see Wood being entirely different to Z's subordinates fruit. The Mushroom guy (Wapols brother I think...) was non cannon. And I think Z was the only cannon Neo Marine, although I may be mistaken.

then again, there is an unknown Green Admiral, so, if I were to bet, it would be Wood, since it is considered an element. Iwa Iwa, as in, Rock element, should be able to happen. Some sort of Metal might happen (Or maybe even all metals, a la Ceasar's Gas Gas), but it might collide too much with the Blade user (Mr 1).

The green admiral in my opinion is either a Wood Logia user or a Tree Ent mythical Zoan user. Some DF's also clash with powers a la Yami Yami no Mi having gravitational properties while Fujitoras DF is gravity. Or the Mero Mero no Mi and the Noro Noro no Mi being pretty much exactly the same in terms of usage etc.

But I would like there to be a Gold Gold Logia, because, being the element most connected with riches, would probably mean a very cocky and magnanimous user, imo, which would be interesting, and, as per Luffy vs Enel fight, we saw them manipulating Gold, the user could just behave similarly. Upon the introduction of Gas, a Wind logia similar to Naruto's Wind is most likely not going to happen, or, if it does, it will be more like Storm, controlling the weather (Dragon xD). Maybe we'll get something like Plasma Plasma, like heated gas. Radiation/Radioactive itself would probably be a Paramecia.

A gold fruit? Wouldn't be the strongest. As it would easily melt, but it would have no other weaknesses (Most logias have 2+ other Logias they are strong against and weak against) as Gold is very un-reactive. A storm Logia is a very broad ideal, which incorporates too much of the Goro Goro no Mi. My thinking is Dragon IS Uranus or HAS Uranus. And if not then he either has a Shenlong or Qinglong DF (both gargantuan dragons with perfect control of weather).Caesar has shown lots of Plasma-like attacks. Radiation probably would be a Paramecia of similar concept to the Doku Doku no Mi.

wait dude , Teach isn't a logia :|

I think you'll find he is a Paramecia (Gura Gura) and a Logia (Yami Yami). Go reread the fight with Ace and Blackbeard. He even says he is a Logia and his power is the most evil of all Logias.

 

[scorezor]

I think you'll find he is a Paramecia (Gura Gura) and a Logia (Yami Yami). Go reread the fight with Ace and Blackbeard. He even says he is a Logia and his power is the most evil of all Logias.

whitebeard also wasn't a logia ... well... i think that the chapter is long , so... i decide not to read it , i'm sorry U_U.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Magma is both Dark/Underworld and Fire based. I said so in my list. Smoke only occurs when something burns (henceforth why it is in the category of fire), gas is both wind and fire.


The non-cannon logias in my opinion are totally irrelevant and are actually really stupid. Like you said, they don't follow cannon laws and pretty much defy the "genetic makeup" of Logia fruits, so to speak.


Fair enough. But I can still see Wood being entirely different to Z's subordinates fruit. The Mushroom guy (Wapols brother I think...) was non cannon. And I think Z was the only cannon Neo Marine, although I may be mistaken.


The green admiral in my opinion is either a Wood Logia user or a Tree Ent mythical Zoan user. Some DF's also clash with powers a la Yami Yami no Mi having gravitational properties while Fujitoras DF is gravity. Or the Mero Mero no Mi and the Noro Noro no Mi being pretty much exactly the same in terms of usage etc.


A gold fruit? Wouldn't be the strongest. As it would easily melt, but it would have no other weaknesses (Most logias have 2+ other Logias they are strong against and weak against) as Gold is very un-reactive. A storm Logia is a very broad ideal, which incorporates too much of the Goro Goro no Mi. My thinking is Dragon IS Uranus or HAS Uranus. And if not then he either has a Shenlong or Qinglong DF (both gargantuan dragons with perfect control of weather).Caesar has shown lots of Plasma-like attacks. Radiation probably would be a Paramecia of similar concept to the Doku Doku no Mi.


I think you'll find he is a Paramecia (Gura Gura) and a Logia (Yami Yami). Go reread the fight with Ace and Blackbeard. He even says he is a Logia and his power is the most evil of all Logias.

Your underworld differs from my underworld. There's nothing spiritual about Magma... Besides, I'm incorporating the Logia as they behave, since that is the origins of the elements. Smoke comes from Fire, but behaves like Wind, thus wind. Gas is wind. as for Gold, is not about being strong or weak, is about what it stands for, and Gold stands for Riches, Royalty, Power, etc. I like the idea of a Tree Ent Mythical Fruit, though, kudos to you xD

For Dragon to BE Uranus, though, he'd have to have something special. Shirahoshi is Poseidon because she has the power to control Sea Monsters, so one could say the power defines her, not the other way around. A devil fruit power could be what creates the Uranus weapon. Also storm would be about manipulating the atmospheric pressure, thus creating wind bursts, cyclones, and storms. Then again, sounds more like a Paramecia, or maybe a Zoan (mythical).


If we do rule out, as you did, Smoke as purely the carbon/fire kind, then maybe your idea of Cloud (as water based) wouldn't be as strange. Something like a Mist Logia, where the opponent turns to various densities of water vapor, be it a thin mist or heavy clouds (dark, white, etc). Or even Boil/Steam. These could be related to a single Logia, or multiple.

There could also be an Oil fruit, as a substance, since Oil doesn't seem quirky enough to be a Paramecia. Glass and Clay could both be Logia, or both could be Paramecia like Wax and Diamond (Possibly).

 

[Aertes]

Hmm, wind no mi can be interesting but not in the storm kind of way. Wind on it's own can be very OP (take for example the way it's used in Naruto). It can be a massive attack of great destruction or a precise attack with high cutting abilities (like a sword).
Fog/mist would be something that I like to see.
Earth would be a choice too.

wait dude , Teach isn't a logia :|

Yami Yami is a logia. It's just unique due to the fact that the user can't turn his body into darkness. On the other hand the user has the ability to nullify every attack he touches.

 

[scorezor]

Yami Yami is a logia. It's just unique due to the fact that the user can't turn his body into darkness. On the other hand the user has the ability to nullify every attack he touches.

thank you for the explanation , that it's just too weird :S.

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

Don't forget Trebol he's pretty much confirmed to be a logia, no other way he would have a "fluid" body. Likely to be some sort of sticky fruit because of how he loves to get into peoples faces so it fits his personality. Also he was picking people up under the colosseum before they were turned into toys

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Another POTENTIAL logia is baby 5, but she's kinda weird. She has properties of a logia and paramecia. She reforms on this panel.

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[Skylar Knight]

I think a character with the Blood Blood no Mi will show up soon actually. Or would that be too overpowered?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Your underworld differs from my underworld. There's nothing spiritual about Magma... Besides, I'm incorporating the Logia as they behave, since that is the origins of the elements. Smoke comes from Fire, but behaves like Wind, thus wind. Gas is wind. as for Gold, is not about being strong or weak, is about what it stands for, and Gold stands for Riches, Royalty, Power, etc. I like the idea of a Tree Ent Mythical Fruit, though, kudos to you xD

Magma to me is more associated with the underworld than fire. There are legends and myths of Lava lakes etc. in hell and different underworlds. A Logias behavior doesn't change a category, Numa Numa no Mi and Magu Magu no Mi are both very Viscous, but it doesn't make the Numa Numa no Mi "Underworld" or "Fire" based. Tree Ent mythical Zoan would be good to see Oda draw as he could make it look retarded just as much as he could make it look badass. Thanks!

For Dragon to BE Uranus, though, he'd have to have something special.

I have a theory that the Fishmen were a result of genetic engineering, so being an ancient weapon may be genetic. Since "D" is heavily associated to the ancient kingdom (most probably the moon people) I wouldn't be shocked if Dragon was Uranus.

Shirahoshi is Poseidon because she has the power to control Sea Monsters, so one could say the power defines her, not the other way around. A devil fruit power could be what creates the Uranus weapon. Also storm would be about manipulating the atmospheric pressure, thus creating wind bursts, cyclones, and storms. Then again, sounds more like a Paramecia, or maybe a Zoan (mythical).

A DF is another possibility. Uranus could be the first artificial devil fruit which controls the planets weather systems. It can't be a Logia as a Storm is a combination of "elements". Paramecia or being a Shenlong or Qinglong mythical Zoan are the most likely options.

If we do rule out, as you did, Smoke as purely the carbon/fire kind, then maybe your idea of Cloud (as water based) wouldn't be as strange. Something like a Mist Logia, where the opponent turns to various densities of water vapor, be it a thin mist or heavy clouds (dark, white, etc). Or even Boil/Steam. These could be related to a single Logia, or multiple.

Mist is a very good idea, and a problem with wind or cloud is ; what would their element form be!? Wind is invisible and the cloud would look like Smoker... Mist seems to be a pretty good idea! I send my Kudos points back to you now!

There could also be an Oil fruit, as a substance, since Oil doesn't seem quirky enough to be a Paramecia. Glass and Clay could both be Logia, or both could be Paramecia like Wax and Diamond (Possibly).

Glass would stem from Crocodiles Suna Suna no Mi while Clay would stem from the Iwa Iwa no Mi. Oil has potential to be a hybrid of the Doku Doku no Mi (minus the final poison) and the Bomu Bomu no Mi.

Don't forget Trebol he's pretty much confirmed to be a logia, no other way he would have a "fluid" body. Likely to be some sort of sticky fruit because of how he loves to get into peoples faces so it fits his personality. Also he was picking people up under the colosseum before they were turned into toys

Trebol could be the Oil fruit guy. Or it's a snot or slime paramecia.

Another POTENTIAL logia is baby 5, but she's kinda weird. She has properties of a logia and paramecia. She reforms on this panel.

Last time I checked ; weapons weren't applicable to be a Logia. She's obviously a Paramecia

I think a character with the Blood Blood no Mi will show up soon actually. Or would that be too overpowered?

Depends whether you're talking being able to use blood like this:

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because either way it would be way too OP

 

[Dr Strangelove]

There are obviously loads more Logia fruits.
Oda has so much he can do with them out of all of the DFs.