The majority of your posts was focused on the negative aspects of Mu's invisibility and you didn't even consider nor highlight the advantage Mu also has along with his invisibility. First off regarding your point with onoki and comparing the chakra usage of jinton while it takes a heavy chakra toll the usage should be different for Mu considering to my understanding when one ages their chakra pool becomes shorter hinted by the anbu spectating Hiruzen's fight with orochimaru.
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Onoki's chakra pool isn't low at all. He kept up better than half the Kage's around him, so unless you are suggesting all the Kage's have low chakra pools, then Onoki does not himself, yet he claimed it was tiresome to use Jinton. It should be obvious, considering he is infusing 3 different elements to create an attack which is beam-like, yet all consistent of chakra. Even with his age, his chakra is still very impressive since he fought through the Madara fight harder than anyone, after having already fought with Mu.
You have no Idea what you are talking about. The clay bird reaching Mu before he performs Jinton isn't happening. Again Deidara has to first locate Mu which he won't be capable of doing due to him being invisibility, All Mu needs to do when he is being invisible is be out of a good range of Deidara's sight so deidara won't have the means to locate him and send a clay bird after him, Mu can be right behind deidara and in that time release his invisibility and prep a jinton on the spot. You guys keep bringing up Diedara using all these without even taking into the mention of that fact that Deidara can also run out of clay and he is known to come unprepared to battle as he acknowledges that himself against Gaara.
Anyway's you talk of Deidara doing a combi CQC along with his clay bird to counter Mu's jinton with his clay birds swift movements that is easier said then done as seeing if Mu manages to get within a close range of Deidara which he will be able to since in that same scan you presented with Deidara's swift speed with his clay bird, onoki was capable of keeping up with deidara, that being said avoiding jinton won't be such a easy task, especially considering Mu also possesses the same jinton as onoki considering he was his master that being said if Mu manages to get within inches of his clay bird which he should be able to he easily trap diedara
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. Also Mu's jinton also has long range capabilities the same as Onoki's so I honestly dont know where you get this non sense that Deidara will have no trouble evading jinton if thats what your implying?
@bold, thought the sentence would never end. Anyways, Sasuke's speed shouldn't be compared to Mu's. Mu has no such speed feats, so I see no reason as to why he could evade the cloud so quickly. Moreover, Mu will not see the bombs and see Deidara's location, to realise this is a malicious cloud. Being a sensor will only allow Mu there's random nano sized chakra in the air, which he will assume cannot effect him, nor will he realise Deidara is right outside of that cloud. He has no Sharingan, he's a mere sensor, let us not overestimate his sensory skills now shall we? One breathe and he's out, being invisible will make it all the easier to hit Mu, since Mu is rather restricted in that form. Deidara does indeed have the ability to dodge Jinton.. Deidara's speed has been portrayed on multiple times to be extremely quick, which I can post if you would like. Again, however, you fail to realise that C4 ends this easily, the second Mu goes invisible. He won't stop breathing just so he can use his sensing abilities, and realise there's random chakra nano sized chakra particles in the air, which he will likely disregard.
You failed to realise what I was implying. We don't know if Onoki lightened himself to make himself faster in the first place, but i will ignore that and go with your argument. Onoki having kept up does once again not equal Mu keeping up. Only because Onoki has a similar fighting style to Mu does not mean all their skills are equivalent, hence nothing implies there speed is. Lol, I highly doubt Deidara is being hit by a point blank Jinton. Mu will never get time to do such.. The second he begins charging his Jinton, Deidera's Nendo Buhsin grabs Mu's arm and disables the Jinton. Mu is completely vulnerable when using his Jinton, saying he will use it right in front of his opponents face is amusing. I only said he has no trouble evading from a distance, not from point blank range. He has enough time to realise the Jinton is being prepped and begin to move in his usual unpredictable fashion.
Again although there is openings regarding jinton Mu can already decide to cancel theh prep and evade the said jutsu if necessary. It has already been shown that jinton can be canceled when Onoki's subordinate intervened with onoki's jiton preparation at turtle island.
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, regardless of prepping jinton he can still evade incoming attacks and simply react and prep another one, you guys are seriously underestimating the variants of jinton btw. Again you must be seriously downplaying invisibility jutsu it is hax. The majority of your argument keep referring to deidara pulling off some clay jutsu like C2 while Mu is prepping but all mu has to do is stop the jinton prep and turn invisible making deidara's attack useless since deidara won't see where Mu is anymore. Now you have the nerve to bring up the situation involving sasuke and deidara's clay bushins, let me explain why that tactic would most likely not succeed as it did with sasuke.
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Being a sensor or not, he isn't prepping Jinton, stopping it at sight of a C1 bird, and then getting out of the explosion radius in such a short amount of time, when his birds were shown to be this quick [
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]... My argument is based around C1, not C2... Anyways, Mu isn't evading C1, or at least he doesn't have the feats to achieve such a thing. Lel, again. By the time Jinton has begun, Deidara would've shortly dropped C1, thus it will keep following Mu regardless of him going invisible or not, seeing as though his invisibility is rather slow and doesn't occur immediately [
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The main reason why that tactic work was because of the fact that deidara grabbed his leg from below. But Mu being a sensor as already demonstrated feats of of evading attack inches from him below such as
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. Now let's say that tactic does work, I see no reason why Mu cannot attempt to slice off deidara's hand with his kinjutsu swordsmanship. Also for your tactic to work Mu has to pierce the clay clone? what exactly is he piercing it with? Definitely not his saids as seeing he doesnt have chidori so that leaves his swords which he can easily let go of or better yet using a jinton cube to entrap deidara along with his clay clone which automatically gives Mu the win.
Nahhhh. This is different. Mu can sense the presence of Gaara's chakra infusing with the sand while it is happening, since the sand prior to gaara infusing it has no chakra on it. However, the C1/C2 they are on would already be infused with Deidara's chakra, meaning realising Deidara coming out is unreasonable, as their will be no difference in the chakra from point a to point b, in contrast to Gaara's... You fail to realise one Nendo Bunshin is not Deidara's limit. Having two will result in Deidara being completely immobilised, seeing as though his clones can completely immobilise his arms [
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], while Deidara's C4 completely restrains Mu by inundating Mu. And no, it doesn't have to be pierced, the clone can be manipulated in any given way if Deidara wills, although it is likely they will be stabbed to begin with, and once they are stabbed, they begin engulfing the sword as they did in my previous scan. No, releasing his swords will result in an easy win for Deidara. Any clone, or Deidara himself, can give Mu a shake to nullify the Jinton since Jinton has only been shown viable in stationary positions. Even Sasuke was caught by C4 and only resisted due to his ration [
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Had to lel a little bit at this part, I see no reason to believe that Mu can't go as fast as onoki using flight unless you have a manga panel suggesting otherwise Ill stick to my own belief. He does have the tool's long range jinton variants and invisibility can take care of deidara.
Lol? Appeal to ignorance. That's not how it works, you're the one who needs to bring me scans of Mu's speed... C4 is enough to take care of Mu as well.
what? Sasuke was capable of outrunning it to my understanding? Mu being capable of going as fast as onoki should be able to evade it no problem. The other stuff you said I don't need to reply to. You keep bringing up the downsides of Mu to make your argument better but don't even consider deidara's downsides such him running out of clay and also when he uses clay bombs particullary on the surface they will create large gas clouds from which will Mu all the reason to use that to his advantage and go invisible escaping deidara's view when the gas goes away and slit his through if needed.
He outran it because he knew what was happening with his sharingan, and his high intellect. Mu has no sharingan to realise the things Sasuke did, such as the chakra's spread, the range of the cloud, and Deidara's position in regards to the cloud. Unless you can suggest Mu can do something similar to Sasuke without a sharingan and without Sasuke's CM2 speed, then it is beyond me. Again, 'appeal to ignorance' doesn't work in an argument, so your point remains invalid. More so, I don't see Onoki flying out of the cloud by the time he could have sensed the nano bombs with or without a sharingan. Your point is true, I don't notice all of Deidara's weaknesses because I don't know the character well enough, as he isn't amongst the characters that I like the utmost best. However, I still don't see how me not liking him and having a slight lack of knowledge on him would mean he's going to lose even with the use of C4. Long range variant is missing Deidara if he's far enough. If Mu decides to close the distance, he dies to Nendo Bunshins either immobilising Mu and then going on to explode (an explosion which was so quick even Gai and Kakashi could not avoid it, thus forced the use of Kamui) and Nendo bun shins immobilising Mu so they give an opening to C4.
