.Sasuke alway a step further than Naruto when inflicting damage to villian

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He said they wont get another chance like this, its not just random words but a result of analysis.

He came up with the plan: To attack madara as soon as he is alive. He used amaterasu from behind and from range to decrease awareness of an attack. He possibly concluded that that madara has no eyes, sharingan allows for that.

I agree that he could've used susanoo etc but maybe he was too tired for that after obito so went for the close fight which kinda is most effective vs SM as he learned from kabuto fight.

Where were naruto's chakra arms, FRS, Frog Fu, Sound genjutsu, clones? At least he could just take those rods from hashirama so he would eventually regenerate or something.

Sasuke didnt attack carelessly it was the best moment to attack. What risk are you talking bout again? Try and win maybe lose or do nothing and lose for sure?
1- Ok. But then, why didn't he gou all out? That's what you do when you'll never have such a chance.

2- The amaterasu was ok, but getting that close of madara with SM? Without knowing what he is able to do? Ok, madara was mortal, but that doesn't mean he is weaker. He was still dangerous, and he could still pull up a powerfull move, as I said. What would sasuke do then? Die?

3- Yeah, I thought the same. I guess that's why he is not using susanoo and naruto is not using kcm or bm.

4- Indeed, naruto should've helped. But maybe he was watching madara atack, to see what he had to do when it was his turn to do so. But some clones would've helped indeed. Naruto was never a genious. I don't know why people re standing without taking the rods. Seriously, kind of dumb of...everybody.

5- The risk of madara using a powerful moive, a move too powerful for sasuke to protect himself against. Atacking with the sword, that many times, and so close to madara, being completely vunerable? High risk.

PS: I laughed at "strip no jutsu". I forgot to say it in the last post.
 

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@wolfus, well at least we'r getting somewhere.
Bottom line had naruto been more proactive he and sasuke could finish madara that was left solely with SM and senju power.
 

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@wolfus, well at least we'r getting somewhere.
Bottom line had naruto been more proactive he and sasuke could finish madara that was left solely with SM and senju power.
Yeah, I'm glad we achieved some conclusion. If all debates were like this, right?

Anyway. Yeah, I mean, naruto could've sent the clone to atack. The clone would learn one thing or another, then he and sasuke could atack. Or the clone(s) could've supported sasuke.
That's what clones(and edo tensei) are for.

I don't know if they could've finished him, I mean, it's madara after all, you know how the guy is, but it would've helped.

And why didn't anybody take the black rods of hashi? I mean, the guy is clearly going through troubles with it, and he is a powerful ally.
 

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He said they wont get another chance like this, its not just random words but a result of analysis.

He came up with the plan: To attack madara as soon as he is alive. He used amaterasu from behind and from range to decrease awareness of an attack. He possibly concluded that that madara has no eyes, sharingan allows for that.

I agree that he could've used susanoo etc but maybe he was too tired for that after obito so went for the close fight which kinda is most effective vs SM as he learned from kabuto fight.

Where were naruto's chakra arms, FRS, Frog Fu, Sound genjutsu, clones? At least he could just take those rods from hashirama so he would eventually regenerate or something.

Sasuke didnt attack carelessly it was the best moment to attack. What risk are you talking bout again? Try and win maybe lose or do nothing and lose for sure?
How is that a result of analysis? He just got there and analyzed none of what Madara can do, all he knew was Madara's eyes closed but he didn't know why nor did he think of their being a reason and fought accordingly.

That was no plan, he wasn't even there when Madara was edo, Naruto left before him and he attacked right when he got there. Why the heck would you wait to attack when he was alive when Sai could have sealed him right them and there? That would me be based his plan on incomplete information which is edo's are not at full power unlike when they're alive.

Wrong, The 3rd Raikage fought close range and what did SM Naruto do to him? Itachi was a edo and took fatal blows, if anything that taught him not to attack close plus Sasuke had no knowledge about Madara taking SM, only Hashirama and Madara were in the SM convo.

Naruto have been fighting far longer than Sasuke and had his chakra absorbed by the God tree and borrowed chakra from Yin Kurama 2x, he was never at full power in the war. Only time Kurama fully recharged was when Naruto first gave chakra to everyone after Neji died. Kurama is recharging right now or else Naruto would be in KM or BM or BSM. Where do you think Ma and Pa toad are? GamaKichi told Naruto his dad was busy so why would Gama be busy and Ma and Pa toad not when they're above Gama?

Naruto's eyes were on Madara, the clear and present danger. Why didn't he take the rods out? Oh maybe he remember Sasuke's words of not worrying about the Hokages because they're edo's and instead take the time to analyze the threat's abilities which is something Sasuke wasn't doing at the time.

It was careless to think Madara would close his eyes and not have a way to defend. If he was really defenseless then he would have moved away until he recovered. keep your distances and attack from mid to long range while analyzing his fighting style and abilities was the best choice.
 

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Yes yes your right. Naruto clearly shined this chapter, i could barely see sasuke or madara doing anything there.
It was all about naruto planning, carefully examining madara with his keen SM and he ate that blitz on purpose to get more info -.-
 

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Yes yes your right. Naruto clearly shined this chapter, i could barely see sasuke or madara doing anything there.
It was all about naruto planning, carefully examining madara with his keen SM and he ate that blitz on purpose to get more info -.-
Did I say it was all about Naruto this chapter? No, Naruto however knew Madara has the Rinnegan which makes ninjutsus pointless without distactions to set it up. close combat reckless because the Rinnegan can absorb all of your chakra or pull out your soul. These are information Sasuke lacked while Naruto had and didn't attack carelessly. He also knew Madara had powerful wood jutsus and Susanoo and soloed all 5 kages. Yes Madara closed his eyes but could you be certain that he couldn't use his powers? No. Should you test it? Yes. Do it alone? No, Itachi even told Naruto not to do things alone.

Deciding on which course to take and how to take it. Was Naruto aware Madara was going to Blitz? No, he just saw Madara bite himself and form a seal then he caught them off guard. Just because he doesn't have the sharingan which makes analyzing far more easier doesn't mean he wasn't coming up with a plan.

On Sasuke's end, since he had no knowledge but PS and Madara's Rep, attacks from the distances would be best. Chidori blade that he can extend or throw his sword to see how Madara will react and how good his senses are with his eyes closes then if he sees anything that points out then can try getting in close. Nothing EMS Sasuke shown can be compared or surpass Hebi Sasuke's strategy use on Deidara.
 

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@sage.
So SM naruto couldnt sense the lack of eyeballs where most of uchiha special chakra gathers up? Neither his sensing was good enough to counter MADARA'S BASE SHUNSHIN.

Sasuke knows of madara's EMS feats, probably knows of rinnegan as well from the tablet.
Most importantly sasuke is fast on uptake unlike naruto with trial and error. He devised a plan vs danzo as soon as he figured the jutsu, he was very proactive and creative in fight vs kabuto and didnt underestimate his powers.
Sasuke's strategy on deidara was child play, so please. Most importantly sasuke has less screen time.

As i said probable reason for sasuke not to use anything else but amaterasu and sword is fatigue from obito fight. If full powered sasuke clearly had an opening to end madara there, still scoring a hit on SM madara while SM naruto sucks vs base is impressive.
 

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So SM naruto couldnt sense the lack of eyeballs where most of uchiha special chakra gathers up? Neither his sensing was good enough to counter MADARA'S BASE SHUNSHIN.

Sasuke knows of madara's EMS feats, probably knows of rinnegan as well from the tablet.
Most importantly sasuke is fast on uptake unlike naruto with trial and error. He devised a plan vs danzo as soon as he figured the jutsu, he was very proactive and creative in fight vs kabuto and didnt underestimate his powers.
Sasuke's strategy on deidara was child play, so please. Most importantly sasuke has less screen time.

As i said probable reason for sasuke not to use anything else but amaterasu and sword is fatigue from obito fight. If full powered sasuke clearly had an opening to end madara there, still scoring a hit on SM madara while SM naruto sucks vs base is impressive.
Sense the lack of eye balls? I see you're making no sense their or else you would know a sensor has to be focus or concentrating to use their Sensory ability, shown in Hashirama's flashback when he asked Tobirama if he noticed anything and Tobirama said he wasn't kneading his chakra at the moment as well as Karin shuting down her Sensing so Cei wouldn't find her. Did Madara build up any chakra into his eye? Not from what we seen, no Rinnegan or EMS powers used.

Sasuke knows of Madara's EMS feats? And where did he see or learn this? Did it show Sasuke reading the tablet at all? No, that's you're assumption. Sasuke used his 3 tomoes sharingan to open the door to where the tablet was but shown to have his sharingan off when they got there and it only shown him with EMS on when he was talking to the Hokages, not when he was looking at the tablet. He has not reason to read the tablet because he was only told about the tablet telling about how to get EMS which he already got.

Sasuke is a fast uptake unlike Naruto? Who was the one explaining about Senjutsu when Sasuke was already mentioned about it by Kabuto, even Itachi knew about it and who was the one to make use of Minato's FTG when Juubito was about to kill them? Sasuke didn't know what happened until he thought back to Minato saying it. Both Naruto and Sasuke are good in their own way in terms of seeing what the other can't. Karin figured out the jutsu and told Sasuke while Sasuke attacked knowing the eyes closed but didn't have all the facts.

Child's play? That's the best analysis, testing, and use of what he learn Sasuke ever shown and nothing he has done is even on that level. Sakura had less screen time, Gaara had less screen time, so on. So what? When we see Shikamaru his strategies don't get rash, either on the same level or better than the last.

So you say Sasuke reason for not using anything else was due to Fatigue, even tho he seems to have better stamina at that time then when he continued to use his MS in Kage summit and fight with Kakashi, but then say Naruto did nothing but get knocked down even tho he's been fighting for 2-3 days and only rest when Sakura healed him (2x)? Hmm, Excuses for 1 but not the other?

Is the SM on Madara's face or the Hashirama's face on his chest? Hm, seems like it's a SM Hashirama on the chest of Madara who is using Senjutsus. Do you know if Madara have the abilities enhancement or just the use of Senjutsu to power up his jutsus? For all we know it's the Same as how Juugo infused Sasuke's Susanoo with Senjutsus, increase it's power but didn't give Sasuke sensory or other powers. We will learn of that in the coming chapters before finding out but Madara clearly is a sensory type without Senjutsu chakra.
 

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how is this still going on..

~ Sasuke has no attack Madara can not ignore or absorb
............ Naruto has natural energy and sage techniques he can COMBINE with his enormous supply of ordinary chakra on TOP of his Kyuubi chakra

~ Sasuke has chakra control comparable of most high-level
........... Naruto was able to match Sasuke's chakra nature and flow with his own chakra -- while SIMULTANEOUSLY balancing the flow of a portion of Kurama's chakra to hundreds of other Ninja (not to mention holding Kurama's chakra perfectly in check at all times during a WAR) as well as maintaining his clones... and the while, using immeasurably powerful ninjutsu that he invented himself


there is no comparison.. besides that Sasuke came into that fight after Naruto has already fought the Raikage the alliance barrier team the whole war and obito.. how exactly is Sasuke anywhere near his level~ besides having a killer instinct and a attack first and think about shit afterwards attitude?

the difference is Naruto can have that attitude and not worry about doing the wrong thing because his heart is pure and his eyes are better than the Uchiha sharingan.. remember what Neji said? Naruto instinctively sees the way forward
 
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