.Sasuke alway a step further than Naruto when inflicting damage to villian

[Uchicha Macho]

Sasuke=gravel....not worthy of being acknowledged...

Those are madara's words by the way...

Madara offer this gravel to join his side.I guess he donot have any value?Haters gonna hate.Naruto not even getting close to Madara because he donot have any support to use as body shield for counter

 

[uchihajaime]

"I didn't plan well and I died, with my team". Very badass.
It's obvious that you won't wait for the powerful treat to do something even more dangerous, and you'll fight with him to learn his weaknesses. However, there's a big difference in fighting with caution in order to learn the opponent's weakness, keep him busy, but at the same time hold your ground in order not to risk the entire fight, your life and your friends'.

Sasuke's amaterasu was kind of smart, because he might have seen that madara's eyes were fading so he thought that madara could no longer use preta. That would be a good idea. However, if sasuke just atacked for atacking, then it was stupid, as he knew madara could abosrve ninjutsu, so he would be just wasting his chakra.

The sword atack, though, was stupid. He knew very well that madara was very powerful and skilled, yet he went all out without thinking that madara could pull out something that could've killed him and harmed other shinobis. He had no caution.

Funny thing, because the fights you mentioned, they ddin't go all out without a single idea of what they were doing. They had strategies, they had palns to harm the enemy or to ambush him. That's the difference. I've never said "Stay still and wait for the opponent to show his weakness". i said fight using your brain, not only your fists.

How can anyone have a plan before they know anything about their target's powers? You first attack in order to see how the enemy reacts then you form counter-attacks to that attack. You don't just sit and wait.
No he didn't know Madara could absorb ninjutsu. Madara doesn't have the Rinnegan. Sasuke logically deduced he couldn't absorb. Either that or he was confirming whether Madara could absorb it. This is good intel to have for future attacks.
the sword part; I get your point. It was risky though I would argue not stupid. Sasuke say attacking from a safe distance with ninjutsu wouldn't work. Thus, he used physical attacks to see if those would work. The smarter move would be hit-and-run slashes to see if physical attacks work. Thus, you don't get caught up in a battle where the powerful enemy could use their power to their advantage. Then again. Madara was blind. Sasuke assumed he couldn't sense him. This turned out to be a bad assumption.

the ones I mentioned: no they were tactically stupid, especially the Alamo. Ask any professional historian; the Alamo offered zero tactical advantage. The only way the Texans could win was in the field with their superior rifles. Do your research. In their memory history, Americans made the Alamo to be awesome. Thus, the heroes became badass. Some historians would argue that the 300 Spartans brought time for the Greek army to escape. That's the only defense I've seen of that tactical mistake.
my point is that they lost but are badass. With Sasuke; he lost but was badass. He got intel. ninjutsu doesn't work, so no one else was to risk that. physical attacks work if you're fast enough. That's awesome intel.

 

[BlackBison]

One thing this chapter has caused is alot of fanboying or hating, lets be real everyone got owned by a blind madara(this includes sasuke, naruto, sai, and even hashirama). This is sad but very true. Now what i'm seeing is people are saying sasuke shouldn't have rushed in like he did. Only thing I got to say about this is what else should he have done. Naruto sat there analyzing madara and what happened? Madara ripped through him and sai and got to hashirama and absorbed his senjutsu chakra. Yes, maybe naruto wouldn't have been able to stop this from happening but what he should have done was at least try. Yes, what sasuke did was reckless ,but it was better than sitting around admiring madara. They have to come up with a plan while fighting him which is easier said then done. This is a fight where they have to risk it all since this is not your random fodder of a opponent.

 

[Wolfus]

How can anyone have a plan before they know anything about their target's powers? You first attack in order to see how the enemy reacts then you form counter-attacks to that attack. You don't just sit and wait.
No he didn't know Madara could absorb ninjutsu. Madara doesn't have the Rinnegan. Sasuke logically deduced he couldn't absorb. Either that or he was confirming whether Madara could absorb it. This is good intel to have for future attacks.
the sword part; I get your point. It was risky though I would argue not stupid. Sasuke say attacking from a safe distance with ninjutsu wouldn't work. Thus, he used physical attacks to see if those would work. The smarter move would be hit-and-run slashes to see if physical attacks work. Thus, you don't get caught up in a battle where the powerful enemy could use their power to their advantage. Then again. Madara was blind. Sasuke assumed he couldn't sense him. This turned out to be a bad assumption.

the ones I mentioned: no they were tactically stupid, especially the Alamo. Ask any professional historian; the Alamo offered zero tactical advantage. The only way the Texans could win was in the field with their superior rifles. Do your research. In their memory history, Americans made the Alamo to be awesome. Thus, the heroes became badass. Some historians would argue that the 300 Spartans brought time for the Greek army to escape. That's the only defense I've seen of that tactical mistake.
my point is that they lost but are badass. With Sasuke; he lost but was badass. He got intel. ninjutsu doesn't work, so no one else was to risk that. physical attacks work if you're fast enough. That's awesome intel.

1- You plan on how you're atacking. The fact that you don't know your enemy is another factor that shows that you should fight with caution,as you don't know what the enemy can do, and if you let your guard down, you and your allies might die.
It's like I said. You should atack to gather intel, but atack with caution. Going all out without caution against an enemey that you know nothing about or against a powerful being is very dangerous, and it's stupid to be done. That's what sasuke did.

2- That's the thing. If sasuke knew madara could absorve ninjutsu and didn't notice the rinnegan dissapearing, it was very stupid, as it would be waste of chakra. However, if he noticed it, then it was smart.
Indeed. He should've made a quick atack and escaped jsut as quickly. The risk of fighting madara like that was too high, he should've considered that. Sasuke barely got an intel, as everybody knows what senjutsu can do. The only thing he got is that ninjutsu might work, but that was kind of obvious, considering the loss of the rinnegan.

3- I was actually speaking of the manga fights, as I don't know about american history.
And for me, being smart is way more badass then doing something with your fists without thinking a bit about the consequences of your actions.
If you think about it, it was 300 humans that died. They risked that war by not thinking about smart tatics of atack. They put the lives of their companions at risk, no, they sacrificed all those lives. That's not badass, if you think about the consequences and the lack of intelligence.

An action isn't isolated. It has consequences, it has purpose, it has results. You can't just look at the badassness of the action and disconsider all of these.

 

[take it easy]

Naruto sat there analyzing madara and what happened? Madara ripped through him and sai and got to hashirama and absorbed his senjutsu chakra. Yes, maybe naruto wouldn't have been able to stop this from happening but what he should have done was at least try. Yes, what sasuke did was reckless ,but it was better than sitting around admiring madara. They have to come up with a plan while fighting him which is easier said then done. This is a fight where they have to risk it all since this is not your random fodder of a opponent.

you sure that narutos reckless attack can stop madara from absorbing hashiramas senjutsu chakra?

 

[AlphaScythian]

So sneaking on your enemy and landing perfectly timed high level attack is reckless now? I was under impression that this is how every ninja should act. Or should every one follow naruto's strategy? which is get owned.

Such brainless haters!

 

[Wolfus]

So sneaking on your enemy and landing perfectly timed high level attack is reckless now? I was under impression that this is how every ninja should act. Or should every one follow naruto's strategy? which is get owned.

Such brainless haters!

I made countless posts explaining why it was reckless. Nobody is saying that the guy shouldn't have atacked. But atacking without any caution or strategy an enemy that is known for being powerful and dangerous is stupid. It can get you and your allies killed.

You could have at least read my posts.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I made countless posts explaining why it was reckless. Nobody is saying that the guy shouldn't have atacked. But atacking without any caution or strategy an enemy that is known for being powerful and dangerous is stupid. It can get you and your allies killed.
You could have at least read my posts.

I did, but it goes against all logic. If opponents is that dangerous you dont wanna be on defense. This is the perfect case of attack is the best defense. Madara has it all maxed in all ninja arts, taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, fuinjutsu and now even senjutsu all of which is on top of rinnegan sharingan, immense knowledge and war experience. Testing your defenses against him until naruto comes out with the plan is suicide!

Sasuke did right and gets points for that, naruto and sai (gays) were just starring on half naked madara and let die dozens of shinobi he was supposed to save.

So how about face the truth?

 

[King Of Pop]

I made countless posts explaining why it was reckless. Nobody is saying that the guy shouldn't have atacked. But atacking without any caution or strategy an enemy that is known for being powerful and dangerous is stupid. It can get you and your allies killed.

You could have at least read my posts.

What you are saying doesn't make sense. Madara was absorbing senjutsu frm hashi thus powering himsef up, now what is the best tin to do, wait and be tinkin while the guy powers himsef completely and becomes unsoppable or attackin and try to end him quickly? Sasuke went to attack becos he felt the chance to kill him is here since he is now alive, how is that syupid? So he shuld wait and get owned like naruto and sai did, becos madara wuld have still owned them whether they attack him or not. You shuld be givin sasuke a bit of credit, he @ least tried to end a threatning enemmy rather than stand there and get owned. And madara only grabbed his sword, its not like he grabbed sasuke so sasuke culd have simply let go of the sword and he wil be free, or he uses soosano to defend himsef so its not like madara wuld have killed him. You are not being entirely logical here, sasuke attacked quickly to kill an enemy before he powers up completely, nothing stupid abt that.

 

[xxSAGExx]

So when Sasuke goes in for the final attack he's reckless and stupid, but when Hinata attacks pain pointlessly with little hope of success, she's a hero and the goddess of self-sacrifice. Makes sense.

Did Hinata charge in believing she could beat Deva path? No, she went to try and protect Naruto

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while Sasuke believe a can take on someone of Nagato's caliber alone. Two difference reasons to fight.

Sasuke vs Jubi.Amaterasu flame burn Jubi causing it to scream .

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Sasuke vs Obito.PS sword of solo king destroy nunoboko sword and slice obito into halve.Physically,it sasuke susano which broke the sword which mean it durable and powerful enough to break it without the susano shattering as well.

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Sasuke vs Madara .Sasuke sword pierce through Madara skin and Madara almost got burnt by amaterasu

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This clearly show the different in power.What this mean to you?

You mean the Chou Oodama RasenShuriken+Amaterasu combined attacked that the Juubi brushed off?

You mean the PS sword that was being powered up by BSM (BM chakra and Senjutsu) and the Bijuu chakras that was stated to be the only reason Obito was defeat (did he not still live after the slash? Exactly)

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Madara closed his eyes and mocked Amaterasu so what's your point on that? Did Sasuke's sword do anything significant? No, Madara caught it and healed from the wound, didn't even comment on it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

What you are saying doesn't make sense. Madara was absorbing senjutsu frm hashi thus powering himsef up, now what is the best tin to do, wait and be tinkin while the guy powers himsef completely and becomes unsoppable or attackin and try to end him quickly? Sasuke went to attack becos he felt the chance to kill him is here since he is now alive, how is that syupid? So he shuld wait and get owned like naruto and sai did, becos madara wuld have still owned them whether they attack him or not. You shuld be givin sasuke a bit of credit, he @ least tried to end a threatning enemmy rather than stand there and get owned. And madara only grabbed his sword, its not like he grabbed sasuke so sasuke culd have simply let go of the sword and he wil be free, or he uses soosano to defend himsef so its not like madara wuld have killed him. You are not being entirely logical here, sasuke attacked quickly to kill an enemy before he powers up completely, nothing stupid abt that.

Sasuke attacked Madara before he absorbed Hashirama's Senjutsu

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and he brushed off the Amaterasu which can be seen a little was still on him. Hashirama was like he could absorb ninjutsus while Madara mocked it and closed his eyes and Naruto said it was pointless to just throw jutsus at him

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. Sasuke has no knowledge on the Rinnegan while Naruto do, then Madara paralyzed Hashirama, knocked Sai and Naruto down and began to absorb the senjutsu

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. Instead of getting in close, Sasuke should have attacked from long range, use his chidori blade to impale Madara or try to cut of his head.

Charging in to an enemy who the whole world fears with no knowledge of that ninja's power is wreckless, that is what Naruto always use to do after all remember? He was always called reckless for it. Differences is now Naruto uses his clones to go in to test his opponents powers but knows what to expect from the Rinnegan but doesn't know Madara full power and that's why he told Sasuke not to throw jutsus at him. Did you see a rasengan in his hand when him and Sai charged Madara? No cause he already made that mistake against a Kabuto controlled Nagato.

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Now saying this, it makes you wonder how the heck Naruto and Sasuke got to Madara before Tobirama, Hiruzen, A, Tsunade, Gaara, Oonoki, Mei or alliance. We saw a few alliance people and it looks like Madara speed blitz thru them.

 

[Wolfus]

I did, but it goes against all logic. If opponents is that dangerous you dont wanna be on defense. This is the perfect case of attack is the best defense. Madara has it all maxed in all ninja arts, taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, fuinjutsu and now even senjutsu all of which is on top of rinnegan sharingan, immense knowledge and war experience. Testing your defenses against him until naruto comes out with the plan is suicide!

Sasuke did right and gets points for that, naruto and sai (gays) were just starring on half naked madara and let die dozens of shinobi he was supposed to save.

So how about face the truth?

No, what you're saying goes against logic, goes against your own logic. You said it yourself how powerful madara is. You people don't know how to read. Did I say "nobody should atack madara"? No, I didn't. But as you described, madara is full of techniques and powers, he is very dangerous. Atacking him without caution might result in death. That's basic logic.
Sasuke just went all out with his sword thinking madara was just a regular dude. He didn't even consider the danger: madara could've pulled a power that could kill him and harm other shinobis.

In a situation like this, you must think of a plan, and atack with caution, considering the power of such enemy. Going all out without a single strategy is pretty stupid and puts a lot at risk.

 

[Wolfus]

What you are saying doesn't make sense. Madara was absorbing senjutsu frm hashi thus powering himsef up, now what is the best tin to do, wait and be tinkin while the guy powers himsef completely and becomes unsoppable or attackin and try to end him quickly? Sasuke went to attack becos he felt the chance to kill him is here since he is now alive, how is that syupid? So he shuld wait and get owned like naruto and sai did, becos madara wuld have still owned them whether they attack him or not. You shuld be givin sasuke a bit of credit, he @ least tried to end a threatning enemmy rather than stand there and get owned. And madara only grabbed his sword, its not like he grabbed sasuke so sasuke culd have simply let go of the sword and he wil be free, or he uses soosano to defend himsef so its not like madara wuld have killed him. You are not being entirely logical here, sasuke attacked quickly to kill an enemy before he powers up completely, nothing stupid abt that.

Just read my post above. You people lack he ability of read. I never said sasuke or people shouldn't atack, It's how he atacked. I'm not gonna type it again, it's right above.

 

[King Of Pop]

No, what you're saying goes against logic, goes against your own logic. You said it yourself how powerful madara is. You people don't know how to read. Did I say "nobody should atack madara"? No, I didn't. But as you described, madara is full of techniques and powers, he is very dangerous. Atacking him without caution might result in death. That's basic logic.
Sasuke just went all out with his sword thinking madara was just a regular dude. He didn't even consider the danger: madara could've pulled a power that could kill him and harm other shinobis.

In a situation like this, you must think of a plan, and atack with caution, considering the power of such enemy. Going all out without a single strategy is pretty stupid and puts a lot at risk.

Uurrm he jus saw madara brush off his amaterasu, he knws who madara is and how he is powerful so waht do u mean by he wuz tinkin that madara is a regular dude? Like I said madara is alive and now killable so sasuke thought this is the best chance to do it,you don't jus stand there and think and allow your opponent power up, u act and try and stop him, minato did something similar chapters back in whic he engaged obito head onm. Tbh it doesn't make any difrrence whether you wait or attack as madara wuld hav stil owned them regardless, but at least its beta to put in an effort rather than do nothing

 

[King Of Pop]

Just read my post above. You people lack he ability of read. I never said sasuke or people shouldn't atack, It's how he atacked. I'm not gonna type it again, it's right above.

How else shuld he hav attacked? Amaterasu was slagged off, so sasuke probably felt ninjutsu won't cut it so he switched to kenjutsu

 

[AlphaScythian]

No, what you're saying goes against logic, goes against your own logic. You said it yourself how powerful madara is. You people don't know how to read. Did I say "nobody should atack madara"? No, I didn't. But as you described, madara is full of techniques and powers, he is very dangerous. Atacking him without caution might result in death. That's basic logic.

You're fighting a legend, a deity, no amount of caution is ever gonna be enough. So just inputting a word "Caution" in here changes absolutely nothing, no matter how you twist it.

Sasuke just went all out with his sword thinking madara was just a regular dude. He didn't even consider the danger: madara could've pulled a power that could kill him and harm other shinobis.

In a situation like this, you must think of a plan, and atack with caution, considering the power of such enemy. Going all out without a single strategy is pretty stupid and puts a lot at risk.

Oh yes i agree, sasuke should have used enton arrow and then he would've soloed, unlike amaterasu that was countered by strip no jutsu or go PS and throw all he got right? Swinging a sword? Well madara has no eyes, so no EMS moves, no rinnegan moves, nothing but senju DNA only later madara got SM on top of it. Obviously he did darn good job vs SM madara in taijutsu, which cant be said about SM naruto.

So you see sasuke has analyzed situation pretty well, had naruto and sai were more useful they could prevent madara from gaining SM and end him for good. Pretty planned for me as he said they wont get another chance like this, so drop he had no plan BS, its naruto that takes ages to make one. Sasuke holds 100% SA effort in this chapter give him the damn credit.

 

[Wolfus]

Uurrm he jus saw madara brush off his amaterasu, he knws who madara is and how he is powerful so waht do u mean by he wuz tinkin that madara is a regular dude? Like I said madara is alive and now killable so sasuke thought this is the best chance to do it,you don't jus stand there and think and allow your opponent power up, u act and try and stop him, minato did something similar chapters back in whic he engaged obito head onm. Tbh it doesn't make any difrrence whether you wait or attack as madara wuld hav stil owned them regardless, but at least its beta to put in an effort rather than do nothing

Sigh... Ok, first, minato was an edo, and as soon as he felt danger, he didn't keep atacking, he used ftg to get away.
Madara being killable doesn't mean he is weaker. He is still very dangerous and still can pull powerful techniques that could kill sasuke when he went all out like that(the sword atacks).
Pay attention to the bold now: I'm not saying nobody should atack, but I'm saying is that to engage a powerful enemy with powerful techniques, the atack must be with caution, he must be careful, and atack with a plan or strategy to put the enemy down or learn about him at least


Sasuke didn't do that. That's what I'm saying.

 

[Wolfus]

You're fighting a legend, a deity, no amount of caution is ever gonna be enough. So just inputting a word "Caution" in here changes absolutely nothing, no matter how you twist it.
Oh yes i agree, sasuke should have used enton arrow and then he would've soloed, unlike amaterasu that was countered by strip no jutsu or go PS and throw all he got right? Swinging a sword? Well madara has no eyes, so no EMS moves, no rinnegan moves, nothing but senju DNA only later madara got SM on top of it. Obviously he did darn good job vs SM madara in taijutsu, which cant be said about SM naruto.

So you see sasuke has analyzed situation pretty well, had naruto and sai were more useful they could prevent madara from gaining SM and end him for good. Pretty planned for me as he said they wont get another chance like this, so drop he had no plan BS, its naruto that takes ages to make one. Sasuke holds 100% SA effort in this chapter give him the damn credit.

1- WHAT? You're fighting a legend. Every amount of caution and attention is extremmelly needed. You can't relax, you can't take it easy in a battle with a powerful opponnent. You're contradadicting basic logic here.

2- Naruto didn't even atack. Sasuke atacked madara, who had just got hashi's SM, becoming even more dangerous, with sword? That close of him? Can't you see the obvious danger here? Risking his life, and maybe his companions' as well.

He analysed nothing. The amaterasu was smart, if he really saw the rinnegan fadding. But the sword atack? That was no plan. That was stupid. So, just because madara is killable you can atack him at close range with sword atacks? Rgith after he got SM? Not a great plan. If one thing had gone wrong, sasuke could have been killed, maybe with naruto and sai as well, as they tried to help in the end. Not a good plan.

As I said, you atack with caution. If he had used susano or the things you said he should've used, then it would be a good way to engage madara, and see what he could do. But as I said, it's dumb to take a risk that high.
I won't give credit for stupidity.

 

[AlphaScythian]

He said they wont get another chance like this, its not just random words but a result of analysis.

He came up with the plan: To attack madara as soon as he is alive. He used amaterasu from behind and from range to decrease awareness of an attack. He possibly concluded that that madara has no eyes, sharingan allows for that.

I agree that he could've used susanoo etc but maybe he was too tired for that after obito so went for the close fight which kinda is most effective vs SM as he learned from kabuto fight.

Where were naruto's chakra arms, FRS, Frog Fu, Sound genjutsu, clones? At least he could just take those rods from hashirama so he would eventually regenerate or something.

Sasuke didnt attack carelessly it was the best moment to attack. What risk are you talking bout again? Try and win maybe lose or do nothing and lose for sure?

 

[xxSAGExx]

How else shuld he hav attacked? Amaterasu was slagged off, so sasuke probably felt ninjutsu won't cut it so he switched to kenjutsu

Amaterasu was still on him in 1 scan and Hashirama thought to himself that he could absorb ninjutsus. It was Naruto who told Sasuke not to throw ninjutsus at Madara. Did Sasuke know Madara was going after Hashirama's SM? No, no one but Hashirama and Madara were even in that convo and Sasuke already told Naruto not to even worry about the edo Kages so he didn't do it to help Hashirama. He saw Madara eyes were close and didn't even think Madara would have his eyes closed without a way to defend?

Sasuke charging Madara is like Naruto (from beginning of Shippuden) charging in at Itachi. I honestly saw no difference except Naruto knew of Itachi genjutsus and his rep while Sasuke only know of Madara's PS and his rep.

You're fighting a legend, a deity, no amount of caution is ever gonna be enough. So just inputting a word "Caution" in here changes absolutely nothing, no matter how you twist it.
Oh yes i agree, sasuke should have used enton arrow and then he would've soloed, unlike amaterasu that was countered by strip no jutsu or go PS and throw all he got right? Swinging a sword? Well madara has no eyes, so no EMS moves, no rinnegan moves, nothing but senju DNA only later madara got SM on top of it. Obviously he did darn good job vs SM madara in taijutsu, which cant be said about SM naruto.

So you see sasuke has analyzed situation pretty well, had naruto and sai were more useful they could prevent madara from gaining SM and end him for good. Pretty planned for me as he said they wont get another chance like this, so drop he had no plan BS, its naruto that takes ages to make one. Sasuke holds 100% SA effort in this chapter give him the damn credit.

So trying to slash Madara who have his eyes closed and only managed to stab his arm is a damn good job? You think Madara is going to close his eyes in front of the enemy without a worry and not have a way to defend? It was better to keep your distances and gauge his skill and abilities, Sasuke was the one who told Naruto that they should use the time to analyze Juubito's fighting power while the edo kages attacked him yet not be as cautious with Madara?

Want to know what happens when Naruto use to just run in while Sasuke always thought of plans first? Against Zabuza Naruto got knocked back, against Haku he got knocked back, Lee: he got knocked back, Kiba: got knocked back, Neji: got knocked back, Kimmimru: knocked back, Itachi: genjutsu'ed seeing the pattern of Naruto running in with no plan and now when the roles are reverse to thing it was the best choice?

How were Naruto and Sai suppose to be more useful? Madara knocked them down on his way to Hashirama while Sasuke was behind him, Sasuke would have been knocked down as well had he been in the way. Maybe if Sasuke thought "Hmm he managed to knock down SM Naruto and Sai with his eyes close. Maybe I need to keep my distances and try attacking from afar just in case" He could have threw his sword as he would a kunia be didn't. Him charging in was like MS Sasuke while when Juubito was attacking the Hokages he was actually thinking like Hebi Sasuke use too. Hebi Sasuke was the best Sasuke in use of strategies.