[Theory]Establishing How Madara Survived In The Valley Of End

[Bronze]

There have been some theories regarding on Madara's survival. I would like to establish and share my theory regarding how Madara was capable of surviving against Shodai Hokage. This will contain accurate detail supported by manga so it can show the secrets lies behind the mysteries regarding this matter.

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Look at the position of the sword in the latter. Its gone through his sternum. Do you honestly think that Madara could survive an almost killing stab. It was even close to where his heart was. We know Madara survived but we don't know what method he used. That is what i have investigated.

Lets take a loot at this panel:

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We see Hashirama jumping to fight Madara. Look at the red rectangle, its his EMS. Kishimoto didn't waste a little page drawing Madara's EMS for nothing. It is a hint/clue which was what made me think that it was Madara's method of surviving the battle. What Madara used to survive was:

Izanagi

You may think that it sounds too fetched but this is the highest possibility of Madara surviving. We already know that Madara has knowledge and can use Izanagi based on this scan:

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He taught them to Obito which means he knows how to use them. However, people will argue that Izanagi requires Uchiha and Senju powers because of what Obito said:

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But that was later contradicted by Itachi Uchiha:

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Uchiha clan were capable of using Izanagi without Senju DNA. All what Senju DNA do is increase the time span of using the jutsu, but it can still be used by Sharingan but it will remain inferior.

Moving on...now that Izanagi doesn't require Senju DNA, i can move to the next argument which people will make about Madara losing his eyesight because Izanagi takes away the eyesight. However, while i was banned checking the NB, i read a thread which made me add the idea to my theory.

I do not think Izanagi takes away the eyesight of EMS user. I will use manga sources for this as well. We know that EMS users gain the ability not to lose their eyesight forever:

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This is proven that when Sasuke and Madara have been using their EMS techniques, none of them showed any side effects. The same side effects they were showing when having MS. This could be a proof that Izanagi doesn't take the eyesight of EMS user since only confirmed when used by normal Sharingan and MS. Nothing confirms about EMS.

So when performing Izanagi with his EMS, Madara managed to alter reality and survive the battle. It hence why he knows the jutsu.

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Thank You...Madara Rules

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[-Sky-]

I like to think that he just survived getting stabbed, lel.

But nice theory, I hope it comes true.

 

[Bronze]

I like to think that he just survived getting stabbed, lel.

But nice theory, I hope it comes true.

I find that hard to believe considering the only people to show survival of killing attacks are Uzumaki and Senju due to their life force and body. Something Uchiha lacks.

Anyway thanks.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

good epic theory. good job man

 

[Derek1st]

Nice effort but i can end this 2 ways:

1) Madara said he put the hashirama cells into his wound

2)Madara would have lost an eye, but he gave 2 eyes to nagato, both of which had his rinnegan. so he could NOT have used izanagi. i think he just outright survived the stabbing

 

[Optimistic]

Even before reading seeing Madara Rules avatar made this thread 100% fact and detailed.

Perfect thread please don't get banned again this Base was dying from cancer without you.

+rep, thanked rated 5 stars.​

 

[Bronze]

good epic theory. good job man

Thanks.

Nice effort but i can end this 2 ways:

1) Madara said he put the hashirama cells into his wound

2)Madara would have lost an eye, but he gave 2 eyes to nagato, both of which had his rinnegan. so he could NOT have used izanagi. i think he just outright survived the stabbing

1)Madara fought to kill Hashirama and steals his DNA which was confirmed by Obito. That was part of his eye moon plan.

2)I assume you haven't read that EMS doesn't lose its eyesight no matter what. And no, Madara needs strong body and life force to survive a killing attack in which he lacked.

So no but thanks.

Even before reading seeing Madara Rules avatar made this thread 100% fact and detailed.

Perfect thread please don't get banned again this Base was dying from cancer without you.

+rep, thanked rated 5 stars.​

Lol i was trying but some guy was reading my VM and reported me. I will try not to. Thanks

 

[Sir Blades]

I don't think that is how it went down.

 

[Aya San]

Hm maybe... But the spot in which he implanted the DNA looks awfully close to the spot he got stabbed...

 

[Xāvî1]

Good to have you back

OT: i bet he used genjutsu rather that Izanagi, cause that will make him loose his eye, And those who say Izanagi requires both uchiha and senju dna are wrong........You just need to know how to perform the jutsu for the cost of an eye.....

 

[Bronze]

Hm maybe... But the spot in which he implanted the DNA looks awfully close to the spot he got stabbed...

Yes everyone must have realized that.

I don't think that is how it went down.

How so?

Good to have you back

OT: i bet he used genjutsu rather that Izanagi, cause that will make him loose his eye, And those who say Izanagi requires both uchiha and senju dna are wrong........You just need to know how to perform the jutsu for the cost of an eye.....

Thanks.

Izanagi doesn't take away the eyesight of EMS. EMS was confirmed to save eyesight from any Sharingan jutsu no matter. You have the eyesight forever. Genjutsu doesn't seem plausible as Hashirama knows how to counter genjutsu due to his experience from the Uchiha.

Izanagi is a genjutsu Hashirama has no knowledge on.

 

[Aya San]

Yes everyone must have realized that.

That makes Izanagi not as believable, since it gives you immunity to wounds

 

[Booker]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

No. My money is on genjutsu.

 

[Bronze]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

No. My money is on genjutsu.

Okay.

That makes Izanagi not as believable, since it gives you immunity to wounds

Lol no.

 

[Osagyefo]

I would like to ask, if he used Izanagi how come did he still had that stab wound, where he eventually planted Hashi's DNA, because if he used izanagi, that wound should'nt have be there in the first place?

 

[scorezor]

i stopped reading when you wrote this -> He taught them to Obito which means he knows how to use them. However, people will argue that Izanagi requires Uchiha and Senju powers because of what Obito said:

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But that was later contradicted by Itachi Uchiha:

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Uchiha clan were capable of using Izanagi without Senju DNA.

 

[Bronze]

I would like to ask, if he used Izanagi how come did he still had that stab wound, where he eventually planted Hashi's DNA, because if he used izanagi, that wound should'nt have be there in the first place?

Madara didn't have chakra to activate his Sharingan any more. So he was stabbed before activating Izanagi. He most likely waited to have enough chakra and use it to escape the stab. Obito himself still had the wounds from Konan despite using Izanagi but he replaced them with Hashirama's DNA.

Madara simply did the same thing.

i stopped reading when you wrote this -> He taught them to Obito which means he knows how to use them. However, people will argue that Izanagi requires Uchiha and Senju powers because of what Obito said:

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But that was later contradicted by Itachi Uchiha:

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Uchiha clan were capable of using Izanagi without Senju DNA.

I don't care which part you read considering you're the same 1diot who says Obito is Madara...lmao. And now you're butthurt because i disagree with Sozo's theory stupid theory.

 

[Osagyefo]

Also Obito said

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alternatively:

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Izanagi does make wounds and death seems like a mere dream - Obito....

 

[Bimbonium]

The theory sounds plausible, but that will mean EMS users can spam infinite /close to infinite izanagi.

 

[Ahmed1993]

There have been some theories regarding on Madara's survival. I would like to establish and share my theory regarding how Madara was capable of surviving against Shodai Hokage. This will contain accurate detail supported by manga so it can show the secrets lies behind the mysteries regarding this matter.

Spoiler

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Look at the position of the sword in the latter. Its gone through his sternum. Do you honestly think that Madara could survive an almost killing stab. It was even close to where his heart was. We know Madara survived but we don't know what method he used. That is what i have investigated.

Lets take a loot at this panel:

You must be registered for see images

We see Hashirama jumping to fight Madara. Look at the red rectangle, its his EMS. Kishimoto didn't waste a little page drawing Madara's EMS for nothing. It is a hint/clue which was what made me think that it was Madara's method of surviving the battle. What Madara used to survive was:

Izanagi

You may think that it sounds too fetched but this is the highest possibility of Madara surviving. We already know that Madara has knowledge and can use Izanagi based on this scan:

You must be registered for see images

He taught them to Obito which means he knows how to use them. However, people will argue that Izanagi requires Uchiha and Senju powers because of what Obito said:

You must be registered for see images

But that was later contradicted by Itachi Uchiha:

You must be registered for see images

Uchiha clan were capable of using Izanagi without Senju DNA. All what Senju DNA do is increase the time span of using the jutsu, but it can still be used by Sharingan but it will remain inferior.

Moving on...now that Izanagi doesn't require Senju DNA, i can move to the next argument which people will make about Madara losing his eyesight because Izanagi takes away the eyesight. However, while i was banned checking the NB, i read a thread which made me add the idea to my theory.

I do not think Izanagi takes away the eyesight of EMS user. I will use manga sources for this as well. We know that EMS users gain the ability not to lose their eyesight forever:

You must be registered for see images

This is proven that when Sasuke and Madara have been using their EMS techniques, none of them showed any side effects. The same side effects they were showing when having MS. This could be a proof that Izanagi doesn't take the eyesight of EMS user since only confirmed when used by normal Sharingan and MS. Nothing confirms about EMS.

So when performing Izanagi with his EMS, Madara managed to alter reality and survive the battle. It hence why he knows the jutsu.

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Thank You...Madara Rules

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But if he used Izanagi , why he still have that wound ?

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I personally think that he used Muu's technique.