How is Hashirama tired?

[boshans]

So, I haven't been on the forums in a bit so forgive me if this has been posted, but it has been bothering me.

How in the hell is Hashirama tired? He is an Edo, he is supposed to have unlimited chakra/endurance/everything. Yet in the most recent chapter he has text bubbles around him that suggest he is tired/running out of stamina. Just doesn't seem right to me. It's like Kishi is just ignoring how he said Edo works, and wants to use PNJ to make Hashi to "tired" to fight now so the tailed beasts can come in and fight Madara. Edo Hashi should be better than live Madara, since Madara can get tired now. So since Madara can get tired, Kishi is making Hashi get tired even though he shouldn't be? Just doesn't make sense to me. We have never seen an Edo get tired this entire time, yet now Hashi is tired at the same time Madara gets revived?

 

[Kαmi]

It probably has something to do with the chakra rods in his back. My guess is that his chakra has been getting drained by Madara since he said he'd try and take his SM powers.

 

[-PK-]

He had those black rods inside him which makes Madara control someone and we losing chakra due to it . SO i guess that is the reason he looked exhausted .

 

[Bimbonium]

The next chapter should resolve it.

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Edo Tensei's were only confirmed to have infinite chakra, I don't think it said anywhere about endurance, or stamina.

And now that Madara is alive again, Kishi needs to "level the playing field" in the fight against Madara and Hashirama, otherwise it would seriously be just a beatdown on Madara since Hashirama now has no reason to hold back, since Madara is now having to stay 360 degree awareness of the entire alliance.

 

[osba]

good point

 

[Naijakid]

Kishi will do anything to make Hashi look weak so that Madara can shine

 

[Waltz]

Edo Tensei's were only confirmed to have infinite chakra, I don't think it said anywhere about endurance, or stamina.

And now that Madara is alive again, Kishi needs to "level the playing field" in the fight against Madara and Hashirama, otherwise it would seriously be just a beatdown on Madara since Hashirama now has no reason to hold back, since Madara is now having to stay 360 degree awareness of the entire alliance.

...You misinterpreted that final portion by Madara ... Forgiven.

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Even though Kabuto's version of the Edo Tensei bested Orochimaru's, it still wasn't perfect. Through the Hokages it was learnt that they were still not resurrected at their full potential; which naturally would put power restrictions on all techniques. Secondly, without being an Edo Tensei Madara would no longer have an excuse for holding back in terms of power as while zombified he could afford to die and willfully take damage which he could have easily been negated given the reserved potential within his arsenal [Rin'negan techs, EMS techs, Mokuton techs]. Thirdly, being a living being would allow him to experience the Adrenaline rush or canonically worded as 'blood rushing through his veins' which biologically would enhance his battle ability. It was rather clear from the start that Madara was psychologically against settling to be just a 'moving corpse'.

Madara implanting his will within Hashirama means he would be able to physically Manipulate him and once he beings to do so it is essentially: Madara and [manipulated] Hashirama vs Alliance.
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[boshans]

The black rods are not in him anymore....might be a drawing mistake but you can clearly see there are none. More I think about it more I think it is just Kishi using PNJ because Madara can get tired now, so Hashi needs to get tired.

 

[Champ]

He not better than alive Madara

 

[Jako98146]

I don't get it either. Edos have unlimited stamina and chakra, Kishi will hopefully explain that later

 

[Lay]

Yea... Black rods but till next episode

 

[Floydical]

I saw this thread, put some time into thinking about it, and I think its most likely a mistake. Like you said, the rods that were in his back are no longer there. And this is not the same case as his 'missing sage mode' that we saw a while back. In that case, it was a panel transition to a clone that did not have sage mode active, while here he does not seem to have any clones active so it does in fact seem like a drawing error regarding the missing rods. As for his stamina, it would be hard to not be worn out (if you weren't an edo) at this point in such a high caliber fight, so it is semi logical for Kishi to make a mistake like this.

The only explanation I can think of, although its not very good, would revolve around the fact that Edo's chakra isn't exactly infinite, more like you can't die from over exertion. This would kind of fall back on our conversation long ago regarding Edo Tensei making you immune to all forms of death. Like we talked about, things like Itachi's disease might have still been present in him, but it would not affect him physically because it was a form of death that Edo prevented. Something similar could be said here. Its not as if Edo's have infinite chakra, rather they will never die from Chakra overexertion. Edo's still use seals and still use chakra and we have even seen proof that some if not all edos are not at 100%. If an edo is not at 100%, that loss in strength must include overall chakra.

Clear evidence for this is seen in how many clones the 1st and 2nd can create. If their chakra really was infinite, they could create a million clones. Some translations of an old chapter even suggest that the 2nd was low on stamina at one point (thus exhausted in a sense) explaining why he could only create two clones at the time. To me, an edo can still run out of chakra, but they will never have the risk of dieing from overexertion. Considering we have minor examples of edo exhaustion (mostly in the form of Tobirama who was fighting Obito for a long time) I think we may be able to justify Hashirama getting tired. Again, if Edo's in fact still have their old maximum chakra reserves, they would eventually run out of chakra at some point as well.

 

[Harry Balzac]

The black rods are not in him anymore....might be a drawing mistake but you can clearly see there are none. More I think about it more I think it is just Kishi using PNJ because Madara can get tired now, so Hashi needs to get tired.

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[Floydical]

Look again

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That panel is strange too, it happens after the panel where he has no rods in his back. In addition, that looks more like a black sword rather than a standard black control rod. Either way, the consistency with the control rods in his back is lacking.

 

[warlee]

Preta is absorbing hashi's chakra while moktun is doing the same to madara.

 

[Harry Balzac]

That panel is strange too, it happens after the panel where he has no rods in his back. In addition, that looks more like a black sword rather than a standard black control rod. Either way, the consistency with the control rods in his back is lacking.

True, but those are the black rods alright.