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No, no, no. You said numbers matter most, right?So, all-time numbers should matter most. So, seeing that Eminem has higher numbers than Kendrick, and is current, all of his should add up and his current number>Kendrick's, so using your logic, Kendrick isn't better than Eminem, making your conclusion false. If using your logic gets a different conclusion than yours, then you have no credit. Meaning your logic in of itself isn't credible, so this all falls in on itself and in the end, it just comes back to it all being an opinion.
In the discussion of all time numbers than you're absolutely right but we're talking of as the now which I've mention in about almost every post. I would never say Kendrick Lamar is the best rapper period because that's just not true, overall Eminem is a better rapper and his numbers prove that. But when speaking overall there are many more factors, such as ; length of career, how many works have been put out etc etc.. But like I said in literally every single one of my post in this thread, atm,rn, as of current, Kendrick is the best, although it could possibly be Drake.
 

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Okay the avid Rap fan I am and will always be I'm uphold to put in my two cents into this discussion for the sole purpose I believe both Rikerslade as well as Mugen have some serious pointers in this discussion and believe at the moment its very hard to pick sides. From what I am reading I sense a bit of logical play as well as playing favorites on what it means to be successful at this very time. So lets begin shall we?


Kendrick Lamar

The break out star of the rap game to this very age and date. I have huge respect for him, truly I do. I mean how many times a day do you hear rappers actually put the game back up to heights it has never been for such a long time. I have to say at this day and age I agree with the fact that Kendrick has influenced rap at this moment more then anyone and again I'm talking about the moment. Not what he has done in 20 years. But for this year he brought the rap game from nothing but a ridicule and behind the shadows of pop music to sky rocketing in almost an instant with just one verse. But is that enough? Lets see if we really look into it, Kendrick has done two things very noticeable which has effected rap. One being taking shots at all the best and known rappers telling them to simply step their game up as well as his cypher in the BET which he held nothing back taking jabs once again to rappers and own it. Something special that this guy is able to do which I believe is his best feature is bring the game up and influence everything which goes on just by featuring in one song. I mean look at his numbers; he is breaking huge barriers by just featuring and any interview he is in people just hop on to see what he will say. He has that type of control over rap which reminds me so much of Eminem during his earlier years. I don't know if many of you guys know this but Eminem and Kendrick are very much a like. In honesty I think they are two of the same. They are not scared to speak their mind. So what does all this mean? Yes Kendrick at this moment has influenced the production of rap and its intensity more then anyone else. He might not have yet to drop a more influential album but its not like his first album was bad, yes it was less then expected but he did produce a proper rap album and showed how he has endless potential.

What I see in argument is Mugen is simply saying Kendrick at this very moment is the best but I don't like using that word, for no one really knows who is the best. I like say he is making the biggest impact then anyone else. Which in honesty very true. I believe he is correct that Kendrick is the stand out. I can use obvious evidence. One being his control verse, his cypher but something more deep which is what not much people fail to realize is Eminem had a song with him featuring. I as well as every rap fan wanted to hear that song more then any other song he had on their. For two reasons.
-We want to see the two most badass rappers just take shots.
-Also we wanted to see how Kendrick will be able to stand up next to a living legend.
Now that second point might seem iffy but it is true, we wanted to see if Kendrick had it in him. Instead we got shot down with a song below or expectation. But what happen? Even when it was not a good song, it still got higher numbers then any other song when it came to listening and views. Look at his songs like Rap God, Berzerk, and Survival. All good numbers and all Eminem by himself but with the song where Kendrick appeared it trumped every other numbers. People wanted to see Kendrick rap more, its something we want and something only Kendrick is only able to do. So in short people love and respect Kendrick more and he is making the biggest impact at this moment.


Eminem

But something you guys have to realize is that he did all this before Eminem dropped his Album, hell before we even knew what songs were going to be on the album itself. We just knew the name; though it might have hyped up its nothing. Eminem sadly simply does not have that strength he used to have and this is because he does not have the drive he had at one time which made him a force to reckon with. If I say right now, Eminem at his peak was beyond normality of rap he did not make rap, he made art. This is during his years from 1999-2005. Those were his standout years where no one could touch him. Then when the album was getting closer to launch people were getting excited. People heard his songs he made singles, and when he dropped "rap god" I want crazy. I thought it was going to be the best Album ever. Then the track list hit. We saw Rihanna featuring in one song, as well as survival in it. This indicated two things, the album was going to be more lazier and Eminem wanted to make a mainstream song. This made the album hype drown down a lot. Then it was finally released. I bought and listened to it.

Now I don't want to write a review but lets say their were two main parts to this album. Eminem simply did not deliver what was expected and he was a shell of his former self. If you name an album "MMLP2" which pretty much stands to mean that this album will be next to his greatest album of all time and arguably one of the greatest not just in rap but in music culture then you better show me why its worth. But he did not. The songs lacked in motivation and aggression. It was nothing like his other albums. It was better then relapse and recovery but that was to be expected. But I fail to say its anywhere close to his other albums. It was in short a fail. Yes coming from one of the biggest Eminem fans it failed to meet what we wanted. It didn't even get 1M in a week where back then MMLP got 1.9M in a week. And its not because people forgot about him, his fans are very loyal. But its because he failed to deliver what we the fans wanted. Slim Shady.


The difference

So by saying he failed to deliver what we wanted he did not make any impact from what was needed to trump Kendrick. He does not have the vibe or brilliant. As he said himself he is try to bring that old sense of shady. He can't though why? He does not have time nor the freedom he had once. Which is another thing to take in account. Kendrick is much younger. Eminem has two girl, do you think he can go and just say what he wants as much as he did at one time? They are grown up. Also Eminem performed brilliant when he was high and was on drugs where he unleashed slim shady. So the difference of age is something to take in account. Kendrick has nothing holding him back. Eminem does. Another thing is this. From the last couple years Kendrick has been rising little by little. He didn't go on top so quickly. He took baby steps and for the past 2-3 years he got recognized and became what he is making constant progression. Eminem out of nowhere says he is gonna drop a Album, a SOLO album. He barely did anything through the years since 2010 doing some features and making a collaboration album. Though that is not enough, at least not in Rap expectations. So that is another difference Kendrick has been progressing where he is now. Eminem was way to sudden. He had nothing to persuade people to buy or listen to him because he was mainly hidden. All he used to get sale was name the album "MMLP2" and drop some great rap singles as well as mainstream music "Monster".


The conclusion

Kendrick Lamar at this moment. Is making the bigger impact in the rap game then Eminem. That is not saying he is anywhere close to his true level or legendary status. Eminem is top 5 easy. Kendrick though has a long way to go and I don't see why people should compare such different parties. Though I pray for the day where we get Slim Shady back. When that happens not even Kendrick can stand next him. But we don't. So yeah, I'm with Mugen on this.
 
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Okay the avid Rap fan I am and will always be I'm uphold to put in my two cents into this discussion for the sole purpose I believe both Rikerslade as well as Mugen have some serious pointers in this discussion and believe at the moment its very hard to pick sides. From what I am reading I sense a bit of logical play as well as playing favorites on what it means to be successful at this very time. So lets begin shall we?


Kendrick Lamar

The break out star of the rap game to this very age and date. I have huge respect for him, truly I do. I mean how many times a day do you hear rappers actually put the game back up to heights it has never been for such a long time. I have to say at this day and age I agree with the fact that Kendrick has influenced rap at this moment more then anyone and again I'm talking about the moment. Not what he has done in 20 years. But for this year he brought the rap game from nothing but a ridicule and behind the shadows of pop music to sky rocketing in almost an instant with just one verse. But is that enough? Lets see if we really look into it, Kendrick has done two things very noticeable which has effected rap. One being taking shots at all the best and known rappers telling them to simply step their game up as well as his cypher in the BET which he held nothing back taking jabs once again to rappers and own it. Something special that this guy is able to do which I believe is his best feature is bring the game up and influence everything which goes on just by featuring in one song. I mean look at his numbers; he is breaking huge barriers by just featuring and any interview he is in people just hop on to see what he will say. He has that type of control over rap which reminds me so much of Eminem during his earlier years. I don't know if many of you guys know this but Eminem and Kendrick are very much a like. In honesty I think they are two of the same. They are not scared to speak their mind. So what does all this mean? Yes Kendrick at this moment has influenced the production of rap and its intensity more then anyone else. He might not have yet to drop a more influential album but its not like his first album was bad, yes it was less then expected but he did produce a proper rap album and showed how he has endless potential.

What I see in argument is Mugen is simply saying Kendrick at this very moment is the best but I don't like using that word, for no one really knows who is the best. I like say he is making the biggest impact then anyone else. Which in honesty very true. I believe he is correct that Kendrick is the stand out. I can use obvious evidence. One being his control verse, his cypher but something more deep which is what not much people fail to realize is Eminem had a song with him featuring. I as well as every rap fan wanted to hear that song more then any other song he had on their. For two reasons.
-We want to see the two most badass rappers just take shots.
-Also we wanted to see how Kendrick will be able to stand up next to a living legend.
Now that second point might seem iffy but it is true, we wanted to see if Kendrick had it in him. Instead we got shot down with a song below or expectation. But what happen? Even when it was not a good song, it still got higher numbers then any other song when it came to listening and views. Look at his songs like Rap God, Berzerk, and Survival. All good numbers and all Eminem by himself but with the song where Kendrick appeared it trumped every other numbers. People wanted to see Kendrick rap more, its something we want and something only Kendrick is only able to do. So in short people love and respect Kendrick more and he is making the biggest impact at this moment.


Eminem

But something you guys have to realize is that he did all this before Eminem dropped his Album, hell before we even knew what songs were going to be on the album itself. We just knew the name; though it might have hyped up its nothing. Eminem sadly simply does not have that strength he used to have and this is because he does not have the drive he had at one time which made him a force to reckon with. If I say right now, Eminem at his peak was beyond normality of rap he did not make rap, he made art. This is during his years from 1999-2005. Those were his standout years where no one could touch him. Then when the album was getting closer to launch people were getting excited. People heard his songs he made singles, and when he dropped "rap god" I want crazy. I thought it was going to be the best Album ever. Then the track list hit. We saw Rihanna featuring in one song, as well as survival in it. This indicated two things, the album was going to be more lazier and Eminem wanted to make a mainstream song. This made the album hype drown down a lot. Then it was finally released. I bought and listened to it.

Now I don't want to write a review but lets say their were two main parts to this album. Eminem simply did not deliver what was expected and he was a shell of his former self. If you name an album "MMLP2" which pretty much stands to mean that this album will be next to his greatest album of all time and arguably one of the greatest not just in rap but in music culture then you better show me why its worth. But he did not. The songs lacked in motivation and aggression. It was nothing like his other albums. It was better then relapse and recovery but that was to be expected. But I fail to say its anywhere close to his other albums. It was in short a fail. Yes coming from one of the biggest Eminem fans it failed to meet what we wanted. It didn't even get 1M in a week where back then MMLP got 1.9M in a week. And its not because people forgot about him, his fans are very loyal. But its because he failed to deliver what we the fans wanted. Slim Shady.


The difference

So by saying he failed to deliver what we wanted he did not make any impact from what was needed to trump Kendrick. He does not have the vibe or brilliant. As he said himself he is try to bring that old sense of shady. He can't though why? He does not have time nor the freedom he had once. Which is another thing to take in account. Kendrick is much younger. Eminem has two girl, do you think he can go and just say what he wants as much as he did at one time? They are grown up. Also Eminem performed brilliant when he was high and was on drugs where he unleashed slim shady. So the difference of age is something to take in account. Kendrick has nothing holding him back. Eminem does. Another thing is this. From the last couple years Kendrick has been rising little by little. He didn't go on top so quickly. He took baby steps and for the past 2-3 years he got recognized and became what he is making constant progression. Eminem out of nowhere says he is gonna drop a Album, a SOLO album. He barely did anything through the years since 2010 doing some features and making a collaboration album. Though that is not enough, at least not in Rap expectations. So that is another difference Kendrick has been progressing where he is now. Eminem was way to sudden. He had nothing to persuade people to buy or listen to him because he was mainly hidden. All he used to get sale was name the album "MMLP2" and drop some great rap singles as well as mainstream music "Monster".


The conclusion

Kendrick Lamar at this moment. Is making the bigger impact in the rap game then Eminem. That is not saying he is anywhere close to his true level or legendary status. Eminem is top 5 easy. Kendrick though has a long way to go and I don't see why people should compare such different parties. Though I pray for the day where we get Slim Shady back. When that happens not even Kendrick can stand next him. But we don't. So yeah, I'm with Mugen on this.
Lol Eminem helped bring in Kendrick i believe ._.
 

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Lol Eminem helped bring in Kendrick i believe ._.
Eminem had nothing to do with Kendrick rise. All because they are signed with Aftermath does not mean anything. Kendrick and Em have mad respect. Kendrick calls Em one of the best MCs ever. But don't bring that shit how Kendrick became what he is because of Eminem. He did it by himself. Dre prolly had more influence.
 

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Lmao...you don't even KNOW most people of your generation.You must be a toddler.

You'd have to know every single rapper that exists to come to such a conclusion.

You're so false. Restrain yourself from wanking eminem, sir.

Edit: Eminem is indeed lyrically talented...but he hardly ever changes his tone of voice, and it bores the hell out of me. He's not 'creative' with it. He doesn't rap with emotion and 'character'...he just focuses on the words...if that makes sense.

Zombie rapper. (My attention span sucks when it comes to those types)
Can't take you seriously if you say he does rap with character and emotion
 

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Lol So many backpackers on this thread.

OT: I don't get where all this hype's coming from. It wasn't that good. Lol
YOU don't think it's that good. It's all opinion on how good the album is. If you don't think it's that good, or you don't think Eminem is the best, that's cool. But it's not a fact, it's your opinion. Don't be an ass hole about it.
 

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*sigh* Favorite artists are....

Eminem
Nas
Mobb Deep
Gang Starr

ASAP Rocky's good, but he's more of a guilty pleasure
Joey Badass
Cashis
Stat Quo
Outkast (lol)
Eazy-E
Wale
The Pharcyde
The Roots
Mos-Def

D12

And others U_U Many Others Those are just some of my favorites
Got some good taste there :cool:
 
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YOU don't think it's that good. It's all opinion on how good the album is. If you don't think it's that good, or you don't think Eminem is the best, that's cool. But it's not a fact, it's your opinion. Don't be an ass hole about it.
Lol You act like I went and said "Eminem is factually a shit rapper and if you don't agree with me you're wrong."

My God, I know it's my damn opinion G, dig? I didn't even say it was a fact. How was I being an ass hole about it? XD

Guarantee responses like this wouldn't come if we were talkin about a Chief Keef album.
 

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Eminem had nothing to do with Kendrick rise. All because they are signed with Aftermath does not mean anything. Kendrick and Em have mad respect. Kendrick calls Em one of the best MCs ever. But don't bring that shit how Kendrick became what he is because of Eminem. He did it by himself. Dre prolly had more influence.
What? I meant literally....As in, he helped bring him into the game, nothing about influence and shit...

Anyways, Kendrick knows eminem's better than him, and eminem knows it too.


"Why be a king when you can be a god?" ..
 

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"White guys cant rap" Tell that to eminem, this dude is phenomenal to say the least, he has been consistent over the years right back when i was a kid before lilwayne came and all this other mediocre rappers eminem was there he was the rapper i could really relate too and understand or at-least try to unlike lilwayne, 2 chainz etc who either brags about his "*****es" or his "penis length" or other mediocre/trivial/irrelevant subjects, this his album is good no doubt and i am already getting sick of his "survival" song featuring skyler gray because ive listened to it so many damn times lol so i even switch it up from his old music of back then like "sing for the moment" "my name is" "stan" to his new music his has very good songs in this album such as "Rap God", "Berzerk", "Survival" and "The Monster" especially berzerk and monsters which are all chart toppers[have good chart numbers] his album also debuted first on the billboard hot 100 lol like his other seven and here another cool fact eminem is the first artist in over 20 years to have four of his songs in the billboard hot 100 chart the last person to achieve such were the Beatles. Though i definitely agree though in my opinion eminem best album was The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show, then recovery. Also i have noticed that after the release of "good kid mad city" everyone has jumped on the "kendrick is the best rapper" bandwagon which shouldn't be so and which i disagree with i feel his is very good and talented but like several other rappers overrated also his part on big sean "kontrol" even made people to like him more lol looks like it was a publicity stunt. *sighs*.
 
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Goodness people simply do not understand what is being said nor how its being said. Kendrick Lamar at this day and age is making the bigger Impact. Already said that just look at my previous post explaining why. I'm not saying he is better then Eminem. Eminem is legend, while Kendrick has potential. This is no longer who is the best. Its about, "He is my favorite so he is the best"
No one can deny the fact Eminem>Kendrick in skills and all around rap. But Like I said I'm not talking about the best. I'm talking about the man who has made the biggest impact thus far. At this moment everyone is talking about Kendrick, hell this convo would never happen if Kendrick was not worthy at the moment to be mentioned with Eminem.
Overall in conclusion.
Kendrick is making the bigger impact. Eminem is simply the better rapper. Can this change though years from now? I'd like to say yes. I like knowing rappers get better and a new king shows up. Its give consistency to rap and overall respect to it.
 

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Goodness people simply do not understand what is being said nor how its being said. Kendrick Lamar at this day and age is making the bigger Impact. Already said that just look at my previous post explaining why. I'm not saying he is better then Eminem. Eminem is legend, while Kendrick has potential. This is no longer who is the best. Its about, "He is my favorite so he is the best"
No one can deny the fact Eminem>Kendrick in skills and all around rap. But Like I said I'm not talking about the best. I'm talking about the man who has made the biggest impact thus far. At this moment everyone is talking about Kendrick, hell this convo would never happen if Kendrick was not worthy at the moment to be mentioned with Eminem.
Overall in conclusion.
Kendrick is making the bigger impact. Eminem is simply the better rapper. Can this change though years from now? I'd like to say yes. I like knowing rappers get better and a new king shows up. Its give consistency to rap and overall respect to it.
You can't get through to the NB community when it comes to Eminem, they won't listen to a word you say unless it's something outrageous Eminem.
 
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