Possible reasons Current Madara > Edo Madara.

[Edo Odin]

How so?

Sandaime Raikage too had his will intact, however he could not control his body.

Although the statement of Madara not being controlled could be proved by 100%, I believe firmly so. This is because Madara decided when to attack and when to keep a chitchat.

Examples;

• Madara uses Dõjutsu - Rinnegan (Tengai Shinsei) [
  You must be registered for see links
  ]
  
• Madara uses Mokuton (Mokuryû no Jutsu) [
  You must be registered for see links
  ]
  
• Madara toys with the Gokage - does not use his full power to the extreme as usual Edo Tensei [
  You must be registered for see links
  ]

[/INDENT]He could at first. However, Kauto later took

You must be registered for see links

, same as he did with Nagato and Mu, for example.

This really isn't complicated. The Edo's had their will intact most of the time, and were therefore able to control their own actions to an extent, allowing them to, for example, warn their opponents. Those feats you listed are no different from what a lot of the other Edo's did, there were even examples of Edo's going as far as attacking themselves. [Hanzo] Your statement of Madara not being under full control holds no ground whatsoever, using your logic, an argument could be made for almost any one of those he revived who got a decent amount of screen time.[/INDENT]

 

[Mitarashi]

If he didn't die in the fight with Hashirama, what would make him vulnerable now?

He doesn't need Edo tensei body, he can revive himself like he did after the fight with Hashirama.

With rinnegan and full power inzangi <---creation of all things

Anything can happen

Good point.
if Prime Hashirama can't Kill him, who's going to now that he has Mokuton/Rinnegan and CreationOAT?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

[/INDENT]He could at first. However, Kauto later took

You must be registered for see links

, same as he did with Nagato and Mu, for example.

This really isn't complicated. The Edo's had their will intact most of the time, and were therefore able to control their own actions to an extent, allowing them to, for example, warn their opponents. Those feats you listed are no different from what a lot of the other Edo's did, there were even examples of Edo's going as far as attacking themselves. [Hanzo] Your statement of Madara not being under full control holds no ground whatsoever, using your logic, an argument could be made for almost any one of those he revived who got a decent amount of screen time.[/INDENT]

He could not. Nidaime Mizukage and Mû had a bond of hatred - they hated each other so much they fought and ended killing each other. Nidaime wished to attack Mû and beat him to pulp, however he stated clearly ''My body is not listening to my brain'' [

You must be registered for see links

]. Sandaime agreed.

The fact that they could warn their opponent means the speech area. That one was the personality warfare that Kabuto saw to him useful psychologically by making his opponent doubt and question in the fight, while the corpse ends the target

You must be registered for see links

].

Hanzo part was different. He resisted the orders of the controlling talisman in his head, and later committed a suicide. It was a momentary action, but vital one.

I never saw Madara guiding through his actions at all anyway.

Not to mention, I don't like people saying ''This can be easily countered'', even though they never have. It's useless - what's the point?​

​

 

[Edo Odin]

He could not. Nidaime Mizukage and Mû had a bond of hatred - they hated each other so much they fought and ended killing each other. Nidaime wished to attack Mû and beat him to pulp, however he stated clearly ''My body is not listening to my brain'' [

You must be registered for see links

]. Sandaime agreed.

The fact that they could warn their opponent means the speech area. That one was the personality warfare that Kabuto saw to him useful psychologically by making his opponent doubt and question in the fight, while the corpse ends the target

You must be registered for see links

].

Hanzo part was different. He resisted the orders of the controlling talisman in his head, and later committed a suicide. It was a momentary action, but vital one.

I never saw Madara guiding through his actions at all anyway.

Not to mention, I don't like people saying ''This can be easily countered'', even though they never have. It's useless - what's the point?​

​

As I said before, they could control their actions to an extent. [Keyword] Madara was the same, and I have yet to see you propose any convincing arguments which state otherwise. He followed Kabuto's orders of taking out the Shinobi alliance, just like every other reanimated Shinobi did. The moves he used, and when he used them is irrelevant, you speak as if he should have whipped out the Perfect Susano'o right at the beginning when there was no notable example of a Shinobi going all out immediately. If there was, the battlefield would have been filled with C0's and C4's, Cho Shinra Tensei's, CSM2 users, Kyubi Cloak users, etc at the very start. So you must excuse me for feeling that your argument is quite thin, despite the fact that you have adopted the style of those who make a habit of actually being able to back up their claims.

Not sure what you mean with your last two paragraphs.​

 

[Mitarashi]

He could not. Nidaime Mizukage and Mû had a bond of hatred - they hated each other so much they fought and ended killing each other. Nidaime wished to attack Mû and beat him to pulp, however he stated clearly ''My body is not listening to my brain'' [

You must be registered for see links

]. Sandaime agreed.

The fact that they could warn their opponent means the speech area. That one was the personality warfare that Kabuto saw to him useful psychologically by making his opponent doubt and question in the fight, while the corpse ends the target

You must be registered for see links

].

Hanzo part was different. He resisted the orders of the controlling talisman in his head, and later committed a suicide. It was a momentary action, but vital one.

I never saw Madara guiding through his actions at all anyway.

Not to mention, I don't like people saying ''This can be easily countered'', even though they never have. It's useless - what's the point?​

​

There is no way Kabuto controlled Madara at all, none of the things he did were even known by Kabuto lol.

Plus Madara was pretty much his ally at the time.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

As I said before, they could control their actions to an extent. [Keyword] Madara was the same, and I have yet to see you propose any convincing arguments which state otherwise. He followed Kabuto's orders of taking out the Shinobi alliance, just like every other reanimated Shinobi did. The moves he used, and when he used them is irrelevant, you speak as if he should have whipped out the Perfect Susano'o right at the beginning when there was no notable example of a Shinobi going all out immediately. If there was, the battlefield would have been filled with C0's and C4's, Cho Shinra Tensei's, CSM2 users, Kyubi Cloak users, etc at the very start. So you must excuse me for feeling that your argument is quite thin, despite the fact that you have adopted the style of those who make a habit of actually being able to back up their claims.

Not sure what you mean with your last two paragraphs.​

To an extent of what?

He violated the rules of self-infliction. He voluntarily let himself get hurt, just because he wanted to decrease the spirit of the Gokage (your avatar). Broke one rule.

He again then violated the rule of self-sacrificing by letting himself get bound and sealed. And this was because he wanted to show off Perfect Susano'o.

Are these irrelevant arguements?

There is no way Kabuto controlled Madara at all, none of the things he did were even known by Kabuto lol.

Plus Madara was pretty much his ally at the time.

That is pretty much my point, if you only quoted to agree with me.

6 Paths is just not agreeing.

 

[Mitarashi]

To an extent of what?

He violated the rules of self-infliction. He voluntarily let himself get hurt, just because he wanted to decrease the spirit of the Gokage (your avatar). Broke one rule.

He again then violated the rule of self-sacrificing by letting himself get bound and sealed. And this was because he wanted to show off Perfect Susano'o.

Are these irrelevant arguements?



That is pretty much my point, if you only quoted to agree with me.

6 Paths is just not agreeing.

I was agreeing with you >-<

 

[Edo Odin]

To an extent of what?

He violated the rules of self-infliction. He voluntarily let himself get hurt, just because he wanted to decrease the spirit of the Gokage (your avatar). Broke one rule.

He again then violated the rule of self-sacrificing by letting himself get bound and sealed. And this was because he wanted to show off Perfect Susano'o.

Are these irrelevant arguements?

Quite.

Multiple Edo's were shown inflicting pain on themselves, and in all cases the self inflicted pain had some purpose. Shin blew himself up, [As a mean of attacking] Haku jumped in front of Kakashi's Raikiri [To protect Zabuza], and Madara, as you said, allowed himself to get hit in order to break down the spirit of his opponents. In all cases, the self inflicted pain served a purpose, and this purpose was to obey Kabuto's orders of wiping out the Shinobi alliance. There is no Self Sacrificing rule, there's only one main rule, to take out those who stand in Kabuto's way. As long as the shinobi obeyed this order, Kabuto allowed them to do it in their own way, aside from the few instances where he himself took complete control, when completing a task was vital.

Not to mention that even if there was a 'Self-Sacrifice rule', it would already have been broken quite often. An example would be the Seven Swordsmen, who, after they were summoned, were immediately attacked with loads of Shuriken and Kunai, yet did nothing. Did they defend themselves? No. Could they have defended themselves? Yes. Mangetsu could have liquefied himself, Fuguki could have used the Hari Senbon, but yet,

You must be registered for see links

and allowed themselves to get hit. Why? Because the Edo Tensei allows them to. So again, in the end, Madara has displayed nothing which points to him having had his own free will. Is it possible that he could have done the same as Hashirama did, and broken it? Yes, it is. However, that does not change the fact that he never even attempted to do anything of the sort, until the Edo Tensei itself had actually been released. So yes, I don't see how the points you brought up change anything at all.​

 

[iRefleX]

Kabuto revived Madara as "Better than your best".
And Madara said "Now I can fight normally!"
Leading me to believe it's not his strength that's changed, just his fighting style/Techniques.

How will his fighting style change? He has been moving freely since the start...

 

[Mitarashi]

How will his fighting style change? He has been moving freely since the start...

He's obviously not going to be reckless anymore, and he will use his Best jutsu and not toy with people.
This changes what we've seen ALOT.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Quite.

Multiple Edo's were shown inflicting pain on themselves, and in all cases the self inflicted pain had some purpose. Shin blew himself up, [As a mean of attacking] Haku jumped in front of Kakashi's Raikiri [To protect Zabuza], and Madara, as you said, allowed himself to get hit in order to break down the spirit of his opponents. In all cases, the self inflicted pain served a purpose, and this purpose was to obey Kabuto's orders of wiping out the Shinobi alliance. There is no Self Sacrificing rule, there's only one main rule, to take out those who stand in Kabuto's way. As long as the shinobi obeyed this order, Kabuto allowed them to do it in their own way, aside from the few instances where he himself took complete control, when completing a task was vital.

Not to mention that even if there was a 'Self-Sacrifice rule', it would already have been broken quite often. An example would be the Seven Swordsmen, who, after they were summoned, were immediately attacked with loads of Shuriken and Kunai, yet did nothing. Did they defend themselves? No. Could they have defended themselves? Yes. Mangetsu could have liquefied himself, Fuguki could have used the Hari Senbon, but yet,

You must be registered for see links

and allowed themselves to get hit. Why? Because the Edo Tensei allows them to. So again, in the end, Madara has displayed nothing which points to him having had his own free will. Is it possible that he could have done the same as Hashirama did, and broken it? Yes, it is. However, that does not change the fact that he never even attempted to do anything of the sort, until the Edo Tensei itself had actually been released. So yes, I don't see how the points you brought up change anything at all.​

Let's then use your logic.

Haku indeed did cut himself down,

You must be registered for see links

. Kabuto clearly stated that he was using others as a shield - meaning he planned to use Haku. Even though it turned out deja vû moment.

However, when Madara used Tengai Shinsei, Kabuto had no idea what Madara was planning inside his head. Although he was not fully controlled, Madara knew that Edo Tensei recover anyway so he used it as an advantage - Kabuto had no clue. This time he was not controlled.

After this, Kabuto insisted Madara to pick Naruto, the Jinchûriki and take him to hideout. Madara refused and replied to try out a jutsu - the Mokuryû no Jutsu from Hashirama. Again no signs of controlling.

He never expressed confusion of being Edo Tensei binding like others - even though he was waiting him to be resuscitated in alive and well with Rinne Tensei.

Anything need for adding...?

 

[Edo Odin]

Let's then use your logic.

Haku indeed did cut himself down,

You must be registered for see links

. Kabuto clearly stated that he was using others as a shield - meaning he planned to use Haku. Even though it turned out deja vû moment.

However, when Madara used Tengai Shinsei, Kabuto had no idea what Madara was planning inside his head. Although he was not fully controlled, Madara knew that Edo Tensei recover anyway so he used it as an advantage - Kabuto had no clue. This time he was not controlled.

After this, Kabuto insisted Madara to pick Naruto, the Jinchûriki and take him to hideout. Madara refused and replied to try out a jutsu - the Mokuryû no Jutsu from Hashirama. Again no signs of controlling.

He never expressed confusion of being Edo Tensei binding like others - even though he was waiting him to be resuscitated in alive and well with Rinne Tensei.

Anything need for adding...?

I don't see how this changes anything.

And Kabuto should have been worried..Why? He always knew that the regeneration would help him out, and he knew Madara would not kill Naruto, as Madara had the same goals Obito had. Hence why he could trust him with taking care of this himself. If that's your point, then sorry, but it's quite an obvious one.

However, the fact does still stand that there's nothing supporting your original statement of Madara not having been under his control. You say that Madara did nothing because he had the same goals Kabuto did - Fine, it works the other way around, why go against someone like Madara when you don't have the need to? In the end, you merely back up your claims with assumptions and vague examples, while in fact there's no solid evidence for you being correct, at all. And yet you seem to be so sure of yourself.

No, there's nothing which needs to be added. The lack of a point in arguing with you on this has matter already become apparent.​

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I don't see how this changes anything.

And Kabuto should have been worried..Why? He always knew that the regeneration would help him out, and he knew Madara would not kill Naruto, as Madara had the same goals Obito had. Hence why he could trust him with taking care of this himself. If that's your point, then sorry, but it's quite an obvious one.

However, the fact does still stand that there's nothing supporting your original statement of Madara not having been under his control. You say that Madara did nothing because he had the same goals Kabuto did - Fine, it works the other way around, why go against someone like Madara when you don't have the need to? In the end, you merely back up your claims with assumptions and vague examples, while in fact there's no solid evidence for you being correct, at all. And yet you seem to be so sure of yourself.

No, there's nothing which needs to be added. The lack of a point in arguing with you on this has matter already become apparent.​

I already told you if you didn't pay attention or did so poorly, this claim cannot be proved by definite.

You're trying to contradict what I say, good you technically succeeded, but your arguement is irrelevant along it. From the start, as you remembered, I asked you ''Why would he take over him?''. The answer is simple. Because he wouldn't.

Madara is the shinobi who has lived the longest both offpanel and on. He had the most combat experiences since he fought 3 days against the strongest Hokage non-stop, knew the secrets of Hagoromõ, revealing his mother too and much more. He had more knowledge, experience in battlefield and knew best of the plan since it was his own.

Now let's go back to you. You stated ''Edo's are never revealed in full power''. Contradiction in manga.

As Kabuto clearly stated, he knew Madara's body throughout since he deciphered some of the tablet in Nakano Shrine, which most likely reveals the secrets of Madara either indirect or direct. After this claim, Kabuto told him that Madara was revealed even greater than at his peak. Even Madara was shocked for someone knowing about his golden age.

After it you said that Madara just had his will intact. Straight words, but how proved? The fact that it seemed to Kabuto that Madara was going according to his plans does still not prove anything. Anything can seem like many things as they say. Do you have anything to support your assumptions?

Even though Edo's do have their will intact most of the time, it is not a solid evidence. It's like comparing Hashirama to Tobirama now in terms of breaking out of binding.

As far as I saw, most of your assumptions lack evidence. You don't run the world by making hypotheses.

 

[Xāvî1]

First of all it is still not clear whether Madara got Gedo or not
2. Madara revived in his own body

3.Alive Madara has no counter for Meteor's

Perfect susanoo