Can Madara copy shinsuusenju ?

[-ahhimane-]

You're clueless, lmao. You contradicted yourself twice.

I'm not contradicting myself buddy.
The above paragraph was my my explanation and the next paragraph was to explain what will happen if Madara follows what you have said in your thread. (small shissusenjuu thing)

Sage chakra and SM Jutsu don't require you to be in SM, they just use SM Chakra, Madara could use it but it'd take 30% more chakra on his behalf, and it'd be the exact same size.

Lol, you're proving that you lack knowledge on the manga.
I agree on the Sage chakra part. After all you can go into Sage Mode after gathering Sage chakra.
But How can one use Sage Mode jutsu without being in Sage Mode? LMAO
Hashirama himself went into Sage mode when he used Shinsuusenjuu. Take a Look. Plus he was gathering Sage chakra by joining his hands throughout chapter 621.

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In short, Shinsuusenjuu needs Sage chakra, due to which the user goes into Sage mode and hence can use the jutsu. U_U

Now about Naruto using Rasen-Shuriken, If Naruto is in base form, he needs to go in Sage Mode to use the Rasen-shuriken to avoid the chakra needles as well as for a secondary job which needs Sage mode's sensing ability. As shown in current chapter.

But when Naruto is in KCM/BM mode, he doesn't need Sage mode or Sage chakra to use Rasen-Shuriken. Take a look, he isn't in Sage mode.

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If you understood what I meant to say, Conditions to be satisfied to gather Sage chakra -> Gathering of Sage chakra -> User goes into Sage Mode.
( Naruto needs to stay still to gather Sage chakra )
( Jiraiya and Hashirama gathers the Sage chakra by focusing it within their joined hands and hence can move in a battle )

Hence Madara cannot use Shinsuusenjuu because he doesn't know how to gather Sage chakra in the first place. Also Sage mode isn't everyone's piece of cake. Having Hashirama's DNA doesn't make you Hashirama himself. Madara is only capable of using the Mokuton Jutsus which Hashirama can do in base form (without Sage mode)

 

[AGoodBoy]

@uchihanagashi* Why would he not have knowledge? He's seen it. It's been copied by his sharingan even if he didn't mean to. He has the release. There's nothing stopping him from using it. There's nothing different about copying kkg, its just the person wouldn't know how to combine the elements to be able to produce it, but madara has that covered.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

@uchihanagashi* Why would he not have knowledge? He's seen it. It's been copied by his sharingan even if he didn't mean to. He has the release. There's nothing stopping him from using it. There's nothing different about copying kkg, its just the person wouldn't know how to combine the elements to be able to produce it, but madara has that covered.

I said maybe.

Could be right, but never definite if you're not Kishimoto.

 

[Download]

madara could use it but i don't think he will he has too much power anyways

 

[scorezor]

I mean... he has his lover's wood and i think that now he has the sennin mode of his lover , so... idk... it will take kishimoto to do some of his "magic tricks" for madara to do such a feat.

 

[KidGamer65]

If he had Sage Mode he could, but he doesn't so as of now, he can't copy it.

 

[Mitarashi]

If he had Sage Mode he could, but he doesn't so as of now, he can't copy it.

Why does he need sage mode.
All SM does is enhance the bodies Strength, and add chakra to jutsu.
Madara's body >= SM.
Madara's Chakra > Sm.
He has Mokuton

 

[KidGamer65]

Why does he need sage mode.
All SM does is enhance the bodies Strength, and add chakra to jutsu.
Madara's body >= SM.
Madara's Chakra > Sm.
He has Mokuton

What you said makes zero sense. SM works as a multiplier for its user, you can't say that Madara>SM in general cause its a multiplier, obviously Madara wouldd be stronger if he had it. lmao.

Not to mention Sage Mode lets you use Senjutsu and last time I checked Shinsuusenju is Senjutsu, so unless Madara has Sage Mode he can't use it.

 

[Champ]

Yes, and now I believe kishi will Allow Madara to do that with the upcomin chapters infused it with Susano'o. Wonder why kishi didn't let Madara use wood dragon against the Gokage

 

[Mitarashi]

What you said makes zero sense. SM works as a multiplier for its user, you can't say that Madara>SM in general cause its a multiplier, obviously Madara wouldd be stronger if he had it. lmao.

Not to mention Sage Mode lets you use Senjutsu and last time I checked Shinsuusenju is Senjutsu, so unless Madara has Sage Mode he can't use it.

Where's the scan that says "Sage jutsu" can only be used in sage mode?
It's not a multiplier for Chakra, you infuse 1 third of it into your other chakra.
1 third isn't to much for Madz.
I can't see how Shinsuusenju is a kinjutsu either, so he wouldn't need " A stronger body".

 

[Flawž]

No, Kishi will not give Hashirama's Most devastating attack to his rival.

It would be like naruto acquiring Susano'o similar to sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

Where's the scan that says "Sage jutsu" can only be used in sage mode?
It's not a multiplier for Chakra, you infuse 1 third of it into your other chakra.
1 third isn't to much for Madz.
I can't see how Shinsuusenju is a kinjutsu either, so he wouldn't need " A stronger body".

How in the hell are you going to use Senjutsu (Sage Techniques) without Sage Mode or Senjutsu Chakra? Please use your brain.

I said it was a multiple for your abilities not your chakra. Does SM increase the power of jutsu and physical stats? Yes, it does so its a multiplier for your abilities, simple as that.

It doesn't need to be a Kinjutsu for it to require Sage Mode, don't know where that nonsense came from.

Better yet, get me a scan of someone using Sage Arts without Sage Mode or Senjutsu chakra...Lol. That's like saying Kakashi can use Rasen Shuriken even though he doesn't have Fuuton.

 

[Retsu]

No, since when have we EVER seen a person use SM attacks in base mode? That would be like naruto using a FRS in base, not gonna happen. If he gets SM it's a different story though.

 

[Strict]

Where's the scan that says "Sage jutsu" can only be used in sage mode?

That's sig level.

 

[Mitarashi]

How in the hell are you going to use Senjutsu (Sage Techniques) without Sage Mode or Senjutsu Chakra? Please use your brain.

I said it was a multiple for your abilities not your chakra. Does SM increase the power of jutsu and physical stats? Yes, it does so its a multiplier for your abilities, simple as that.

It doesn't need to be a Kinjutsu for it to require Sage Mode, don't know where that nonsense came from.

Better yet, get me a scan of someone using Sage Arts without Sage Mode or Senjutsu chakra...Lol. That's like saying Kakashi can use Rasen Shuriken even though he doesn't have Fuuton.

So, uh.
Naruto Can't use a giant rasengan outside of SM?
Senpō: Ōdama Rasengan?

Madara can use a Shinsuusenju, just not a "Sage mode" version.

 

[KidGamer65]

So, uh.
Naruto Can't use a giant rasengan outside of SM?
Senpō: Ōdama Rasengan?

Madara can use a Shinsuusenju, just not a "Sage mode" version.

He has a different technique called Oodama Rasengan. Senpo Oodama Rasengan isn't a Sage Art by itself, its just a powered up jutsu.

By your logic Kabuto can use White Rage or Muki Tensei without Sage Mode Lol

Madara can't use Shinsuusenju as its a Sage Art. You are going to need some kind of proof that it works similar to how Rasengan works when powered up by Senjutsu.

 

[TheCCV]

He has Mokuton, he also has the Sharingan, the "Copy wheel eye" and he's seen it before.
What's stopping him from using it now? It is a "Sage jutsu" but so is Rasenshuriken, it should be able to be used given enough chakra.

I really don't see why Madara can't use it. He has everything he needs ( Sage mode just adds Sage chakra, so Madara's would either be smaller or take more chakra.. ).

No, you have a misunderstanding.

Madara can't copy a summoning. That's just not how it works. A summoning can be summoned after the summoner signs a contract with the said summon. Otherwise you can try but your summon will be denied. Rasenshuriken is an actual technique he hasn't copied either, because he didn't see Naruto actually forming it, he only saw it coming towards him in time to stop it. And techniques are different from summons.
And besides, he doesn't need it. He has better things to counter it.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, you have a misunderstanding.

Madara can't copy a summoning. That's just not how it works. A summoning can be summoned after the summoner signs a contract with the said summon. Otherwise you can try but your summon will be denied. Rasenshuriken is an actual technique he hasn't copied either, because he didn't see Naruto actually forming it, he only saw it coming towards him in time to stop it. And techniques are different from summons.
And besides, he doesn't need it. He has better things to counter it.

Shinsuusenju isn't a summoning, its a jutsu.

 

[TheCCV]

Shinsuusenju isn't a summoning, its a jutsu.

It's a summoning dude. He can't freely create such masses of mokuton out of thin air like Tobirama, and he couldn't have used wood from the ground.

With the exception of firestyle users and Tobirama, all natured attacks require a source.

 

[Mitarashi]

Shinsuusenju isn't a summoning, its a jutsu.

This.

It's a summoning dude. He can't freely create such masses of mokuton out of thin air like Tobirama, and he couldn't have used wood from the ground.

With the exception of firestyle users and Tobirama, all natured attacks require a source.

No, it's a jutsu. We have no reason to believe otherwise.


Anyway, so why can't Madara use Mokuton:Shinsuusenju?
Not Senpou, just normal.