Current Madara > Edo Madara

[Calpal]

Guys, Kishi has a plan.

 

[thunderthehybrid]

Madara is revived so he can no longer be sealed and can learn new jutsu

 

[Da Best Ever]

Kabuto state otherwise, Madara's edo is a perfect edo.

He was made better than his GOLDEN AGE, like what better form can he be in? and told him to show the legendary power of the uchiha, which mean he was far more than perfect, yet the chakra capacity is the only error, since if a jutsu require more than 1000 gallons of chakra he can't perform it.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

thanks, this, this and this. its simple logic, if madara had no capacity he would had made 50 clones with perfect susanoo on each one of them, against the kages, but he couldn't because "his chakra capacity is divided by 50.

1000 gallons of chakra divided by 50 = 20..... and a perfect susanoo require forexample 800 gallons of chakra

man the whole clone thing is wrong madara used 5 clones vs 1 kage each since they were fighting him 5 vs 1 that is the only reason he did that, not because he had a limit...and when kabuto said he made madara strionger than ever madara said how do u knw when i was at my best and i agree nobody knw u like u knw yourself, all kabuto did was put madara in a younger body, madara acquired the rinnegan, he has hashi's dna, kabuto just summoned him with a young body thats it

 

[omarsen]

if madara was weaker now then why would the greatest mastermind want to be revived in a situation like this??? madara is smart enough to knw what he's up against but still chose to do it and even smirked and grinned about it his counter attack...u guys underestimate the ferocity of madara uchiha and for one thing edo's fight reckless because they cannot be killed or feel pain...madara will surely fight flawlessly knowing he can face death again...and he said finally he can fight as if edo tensei was holding him back

True feelings does add up to your overall skills, but not by much. same thing if you are traning and feeling like sht, you wouldn't perform as if you feeling awesome. and yes THIS IS MADARA.

-Legend has it that madara was bested by hashirama but is the legend true? the true winner is he who chose to focus on the future.. and the real fight is about to begin- Tobi vs konan

 

[BlacLord™]

No he said " I made you better than you were in your GOLDEN AGE" which mean he made him better than his last fight with Hashirama. He is a perfect Edo, with wood release rinnegan EMS.

I should have know trying to explain a simple concept would be no simple feat to someone who says a "1000 gallons of infinite."

His 'Golden Age' was the EMS.

Kabuto meant with the power derived from the Senju DNA and the re-engineering to give him his younger body made him stronger than VoTE Madara.

Even Madara notes that the power is not of his creation:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Edo Tensei still can only give them 90%-95% of their power, now because Edo Madara had Mokuton and RG, he more than made up for the difference.

But now Madara has 100% + RG and Mokuton, he has peaked, again.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Madara is revived so he can no longer be sealed and can learn new jutsu

everything can be sealed dead or alive...sealing jutsu seal souls not bodies, edo madara had a soul, alive madara has a soul so either way he can be sealed but i dnt think it would be easy

 

[Da Best Ever]

I should have know trying to explain a simple concept would be no simple feat to someone who says a "1000 gallons of infinite."

His 'Golden Age' was the EMS.

Kabuto meant with the power derived from the Senju DNA and the re-engineering to give him his younger body made him stronger than VoTE Madara.

Even Madara notes that the power is not of his creation:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Edo Tensei still can only give them 90%-95% of their power, now because Edo Madara had Mokuton and RG, he more than made up for the difference.

But now Madara has 100% + RG and Mokuton, he has peaked, again.

madara did also tell him dnt get the wrong idea u didnt create this power, all kabuto did was put the shit together madara had all those things in a old body he just summoned madara in a young body

 

[Fighter2011]

You guys are acting like Kishi will make madara get tired. This level of shinobi does not get tired and practically has unlimited chakra. Ie hashirama, naruto, madara, sasuke.
We have already seen madara battle the whole senju clan for 24 hours before he was defeated. He won't get tired that easily

 

[iNotorious]

I think he's just showing off. Waiting for him to become 10 tails jinchuuriki.

 

[omarsen]

man the whole clone thing is wrong madara used 5 clones vs 1 kage each since they were fighting him 5 vs 1 that is the only reason he did that, not because he had a limit...and when kabuto said he made madara strionger than ever madara said how do u knw when i was at my best and i agree nobody knw u like u knw yourself, all kabuto did was put madara in a younger body, madara acquired the rinnegan, he has hashi's dna, kabuto just summoned him with a young body thats it

alright then. he make 5 clones for each kage, he made 25 clones in total. tell me why didn't each of these clones have perfect susanoo since he got infinte chakra? that is becuase the chakra capacity is divided by 1000 divided by 25 = 40

each clone had 40 gallons of chakra, and that is only enough to make a one stage susanoo. next point will explain below

 

[TheSageOfNinetails]

Edo Madara is definitely better.

Now that Madara is alive, he must keep a complete 360 degree awareness of the entire shinobi alliance now that his body can be harmed.

There's still 4 Edo Hokage who could just unleash an all out offensive on Madara, since their Edo bodies can't be damaged ( granted Minato's missing arm ).

He can now be killed at almost any moment, with out any warning, unlike being sealed, where there would need to be time in between the jutsu being performed and taking effect.

Madara reviving himself was actual a foolish move on his part. Unless he has some master plan to re-capture every Bijuu and take control of the Juubi, which I highly doubt.

And yes, the chakra concern you pointed out, even if your logic for chakra quantity was so off.

Edo Madara > Current Madara

 

[Uchihareborn207]

madara is going beast mode next week

 

[MriRoN]

In edo tensei form he has an undying body and his chakra is unlimited BUT the power of chakra is less than if he had a living body.

In his living body he can die BUT his power is back at full and can become a jinchuriki to further increase his power

I dont know which one is greater. and i dont think there is a constraint to what jutsu he can use in his edo tensei form even if it was a jutsu that regenerates cells like tsunades i think he could use it but it just wouldnt affect him

thats my take on the situation

 

[omarsen]

I should have know trying to explain a simple concept would be no simple feat to someone who says a "1000 gallons of infinite."

His 'Golden Age' was the EMS.

Kabuto meant with the power derived from the Senju DNA and the re-engineering to give him his younger body made him stronger than VoTE Madara.

Even Madara notes that the power is not of his creation:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Edo Tensei still can only give them 90%-95% of their power, now because Edo Madara had Mokuton and RG, he more than made up for the difference.

But now Madara has 100% + RG and Mokuton, he has peaked, again.

what i meant by 1000 gallons of infinite chakra is that he can use all of it as much as he want, but if want to perform a jutsu that require more than 1k gallons of chakra he can't.

Madara's edo was perfect. The golden age of madara is debate-able. rinnegan + gedo > EMS madara. which kabuto made him better than his entire lifespan. Edo madara's power was 100% the only thing lacking was his chakra capacity

 

[Waltz]

A couple of things came to mind after reading that portion by Madara. Firstly, Even though Kabuto's version of the Edo Tensei superseded Orochimaru's it still wasn't perfect. Through the Hokages it was learnt that they were still not resurrected at their full potential; which naturally would put power restrictions on all techniques. Secondly, without being an Edo Tensei Madara would no longer have an excuse for holding back in terms of power as while zombified he could afford to die and willfully take damage which he could have easily been negated given the reserved potential within his arsenal [Rin'negan techs, EMS techs, Mokuton Techs]. Thirdly, being a living being would allow him to experience the Adrenaline rush or canonically worded as 'blood rushing through his veins' which biologically would enhance his battle ability. It was rather clear from the start that Madara was psychologically against settling to be just a 'moving corpse'. ​

 

[BlacLord™]

what i meant by 1000 gallons of infinite chakra is that he can use all of it as much as he want, but if want to perform a jutsu that require more than 1k gallons of chakra he can't.

Madara's edo was perfect. The golden age of madara is debate-able. rinnegan + gedo > EMS madara. which kabuto made him better than his entire lifespan. Edo madara's power was 100% the only thing lacking was his chakra capacity

Almost 'perfect'. Edo Madara still was bound by the technique's limitations and RG wasn't made by Kabuto, that and Mokuton were formed in Madara's lifetime, near the end of his lifespan. That's why when Kabuto re-engineered his DNA to give him his younger body, he was stronger than he ever had been.

With Current Madara, there are three pros and cons:

Pro
1) He is no longer restricted by Edo Tensei, his techniques and abilities are in full bloom.

Cons
2) No longer has infinitely re-generating chakra.
3) No longer has infinitely re-generating body.

Will the pro outweigh the cons? Only time will tell.

 

[omarsen]

You guys are acting like Kishi will make madara get tired. This level of shinobi does not get tired and practically has unlimited chakra. Ie hashirama, naruto, madara, sasuke.
We have already seen madara battle the whole senju clan for 24 hours before he was defeated. He won't get tired that easily

Ya indeed, he fought the senju untill every uchiha were worn out. he kept fighting untill he couldn't move his body. He was truely a war machine, born in a era of war and lives to fight. and the last chapter last page, his thrill increased and excited to crush skulls

Edo Madara is definitely better.

Now that Madara is alive, he must keep a complete 360 degree awareness of the entire shinobi alliance now that his body can be harmed.

There's still 4 Edo Hokage who could just unleash an all out offensive on Madara, since their Edo bodies can't be damaged ( granted Minato's missing arm ).

He can now be killed at almost any moment, with out any warning, unlike being sealed, where there would need to be time in between the jutsu being performed and taking effect.

Madara reviving himself was actual a foolish move on his part. Unless he has some master plan to re-capture every Bijuu and take control of the Juubi, which I highly doubt.

And yes, the chakra concern you pointed out, even if your logic for chakra quantity was so off.

Edo Madara > Current Madara

Edo Madara wasn't even trying back then. all what he did was kept looking.

He simple fodderize amaterasu arrow, failed at being revived and sit there still.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

 

[Punk Hazard]

He is not weaker, manga state otherwise. chakra capacity increased. He was a perfect Edo, Kabuto stated that. Downfall is he have to avoid attack, and not be careless like he was against the 5 kages






Logic would prove otherwise, all edo's have limited capacity of chakra.

what you are saying that Edos have no limited capacity, which means Hashirama can make 10 Shin Sūsenju since no limited capacity.

Dude, f*Ck your "logic". The manga explicitly says Edos have infinite chakra, just accept that you're wrong.

 

[omarsen]

A couple of things came to mind after reading that portion by Madara. Firstly, Even though Kabuto's version of the Edo Tensei superseded Orochimaru's it still wasn't perfect. Through the Hokages it was learnt that they were still not resurrected at their full potential; which naturally would put power restrictions on all techniques. Secondly, without being an Edo Tensei Madara would no longer have an excuse for holding back in terms of power as while zombified he could afford to die and willfully take damage which he could have easily been negated given the reserved potential within his arsenal [Rin'negan techs, EMS techs, Mokuton Techs]. Thirdly, being a living being would allow him to experience the Adrenaline rush or canonically worded as 'blood rushing through his veins' which biologically would enhance his battle ability. It was rather clear from the start that Madara was psychologically against settling to be just a 'moving corpse'. ​

Edo madara was perfect, unlike others edo before him, only restriction was his chakra pool. and yes feelings does add up to overall skill, only by alittle

Almost 'perfect'. Edo Madara still was bound by the technique's limitations and RG wasn't made by Kabuto, that and Mokuton were formed in Madara's lifetime, near the end of his lifespan. That's why when Kabuto re-engineered his DNA to give him his younger body, he was stronger than he ever had been.

With Current Madara, there are three pros and cons:

Pro
1) He is no longer restricted by Edo Tensei, his techniques and abilities are in full bloom.

Cons
2) No longer has infinitely re-generating chakra.
3) No longer has infinitely re-generating body.

Will the pro outweigh the cons? Only time will tell.

So you are telling me wood-release > Rinnegan? he wouldn't give a ratty-ass wood-release eventho its every OP, he got eyes of god.

Pro
1) He is no longer restricted by Edo Tensei, his techniques and abilities are in full bloom.

There you have it the only restriction was his chakra pool. now he can increase it by sucking chakra from people or biju.

Cons
He has to be more careful indeed

 

[omarsen]

Dude, f*Ck your "logic". The manga explicitly says Edos have infinite chakra, just accept that you're wrong.

lmao. The logic i'm talking about is from the observing the manga.

Edos have infinite chakra

lmao, then why didn't make put on every of his clone a perfect susanoo, he would have easily taken Juubito out by himself