Jiraiya vs Orochimaru

[-Sky-]

Orochimaru's not using a Genjutsu lul. He's never even used one, let alone defeated anyone of Jiraiya's level with it.

 

[Bronze]

White zetsu's abilities, which means no Mokuton.

Awesome, found another worthy sig of stupidity.

OT: Orochimaru wins neg diff.

 

[Nattana]

Part one Edo Tensei feats.

Exactly.

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[Bogard]

Orochimaru has shown no genjutsu feats. What the fvck are people talking about? What he uses is a kanashibari jutsu(paralysing technique) through fear, a technique that even genin level ninja could use, but obviously the power of it depends on the caster. This technique is described in the databook

NINJUTSU; Kanashibari no jutsu (Temporary Paralysis technique)
Users: Orochimaru; ANBU, etc...
Supplementary; Close, Medium ranges; Rank: D

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A jutsu for physical restraint, quite as if the oppenent had been tied in invisible steel ropes. This is a basic ninjutsu usable even by Genin classes, but its intensity will vary greatly according to the caster's level. In addition, depending on the caster, the jutsu can be cast on every target at once, and won't fail a shinobi during his missions.

Caption

-The immobility jutsu that binds with an invisible force.

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-Before this jutsu, even the giant tigers that showed up in the Forest of Death became incapable of movement, down to their whiskers.

 

[Bieber]

Exactly.

Did he? No.

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru has shown no genjutsu feats. What the fvck are people talking about? What he uses is a kanashibari jutsu(paralysing technique) through fear, a technique that even genin level ninja could use, but obviously the power of it depends on the caster. This technique is described in the databook

Temporary Paralysis is not Killing Intent. Get your facts straight.

 

[Optimistic]

This. Dunno why Oro is so overrated tbh. Guy can only use summons who are fodders in this manga. All what he is good at is surviving Lol

Oro fans be relying on zetsu feats cause he sucks ass.

 

[Bogard]

Temporary Paralysis is not Killing Intent. Get your facts straight.

Dunno what you mean by that, but all i know is that it's still not a genjutsu

 

[Nattana]

Dunno what you mean by that, but all i know is that it's still not a genjutsu

Neither Temporary Paralysis nor Killing Intent are Genjutsu. You are right on this one.

 

[Nattana]

Did he? No.

Has Rasengan ever killed anyone? Nope. Yet people still use it in debates as a lethal jutsu.

There are tons of similar examples.

Manga stated that Orochimaru could summon Dan - stop arguing with facts.

 

[KidGamer65]

Has Rasengan ever killed anyone? Nope. Yet people still use it in debates as a lethal jutsu.

There are tons of similar examples.

Manga stated that Orochimaru could summon Dan - stop arguing with facts.

Unless you can show us how powerful Dan would be under Part 1 Orochimaru's Edo Tensei (as the Hokage were weakened) you are attempting to debate with speculation thus your argument is invalid. Orochimaru doesn't get Dan as an Edo. Period.

We already know Rasengan's power and we know that no one is surviving a direct hit unless they have some kind of special durability or a special body.

 

[Bieber]

Has Rasengan ever killed anyone? Nope. Yet people still use it in debates as a lethal jutsu.

There are tons of similar examples.

Manga stated that Orochimaru could summon Dan - stop arguing with facts.

Even if Orochimau could summon Dan, he didn't. Thus, he has no feats as an Edo Tensei in part one. Then you stated Dan could use his jutsu he has shown in the war. Going by your logic Hashirama can use Mokujin and the other mokuton techs he has shown. Same with Tobirama, guess he can use Hiraishin.

 

[Nattana]

Unless you can show us how powerful Dan would be under Part 1 Orochimaru's Edo Tensei (as the Hokage were weakened) you are attempting to debate with speculation thus your argument is invalid. Orochimaru doesn't get Dan as an Edo. Period.

We already know Rasengan's power and we know that no one is surviving a direct hit unless they have some kind of special durability or a special body.

Even if Orochimau could summon Dan, he didn't. Thus, he has no feats as an Edo Tensei in part one. Then you stated Dan could use his jutsu he has shown in the war. Going by your logic Hashirama can use Mokujin and the other mokuton techs he has shown. Same with Tobirama, guess he can use Hiraishin.

Kage weren't weakened. Orochimaru with his ET level back then couldn't summon them at their full power.
Dan was nowhere near Hashirama in strength, stamina etc. I see no reason why Orochimaru couldn't summon him in his normal state.

 

[-Sky-]

Edo Dan really wasn't that strong. He's not that much of a difference maker even if Orochimaru could summon him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kage weren't weakened. Orochimaru with his ET level back then couldn't summon them at their full power.
Dan was nowhere near Hashirama in strength, stamina etc. I see no reason why Orochimaru couldn't summon him in his normal state.

Since when was it said that its because they were too powerful? His ET was weak so it couldn't call back the Hokage at full power. Tobirama's power is nowhere near Hashirama's own power yet he was still much weaker than before.

 

[Nattana]

Edo Dan really wasn't that strong. He's not that much of a difference maker even if Orochimaru could summon him.

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[Bieber]

Kage weren't weakened. Orochimaru with his ET level back then couldn't summon them at their full power.
Dan was nowhere near Hashirama in strength, stamina etc. I see no reason why Orochimaru couldn't summon him in his normal state.

Until I see Dan being summoned and walking out of the coffin, Orochimaru isn't getting him as a part one ET. Saying he can isn't enough.

 

[-Sky-]

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Please, that's childs play and holds no place in a Sannin deadlock. Especially with Shima and Fukasaku there, who can easily paralyze Dan with Senpo: Kawazu Naki. It's a sound based attack, and while it's inferior to their trademark Sound Genjutsu, it has no prep time and it's able to distract opponents.

Btw, Dan's still featless. Sasuke solo'ed thousands of Shinobi without even having to activate his Sharingan. Solo'ing fodders isn't difficult one bit, nor is it impressive.