[Theory] [FEAR] Hiruzen: Shinobi no Kami

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Its been a while since ive put out a thread so cut me some slack :p. It looks scary long but each section are rather short so please feel free to read!

I will be proof reading this after i get back from the gym. So forgive any grammatical errors




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This thread is not meant to fan boy Hiruzen. Rather it is meant to simply highlight some factual manga evidence revolving around him and to showcase how strong he really is. Keep an open mind when viewing this thread please.


Greatest Hokage

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In this scan we see Iruka referring to the Hokages faces who have had their faces sculpted on the mountain side. And stating that Hiruzen was the great of all the Kages and was such a genius that he was nick named "professor"

God of Shinobi​

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In this scan we see Orochimaru mocking Hiruzen saying that even he who was hailed as the "God of Shinobi" could not defeat old age. This is something I will touch on again later but for now the most important thing that you need to know about this statement is the fact that Hiruzen was hailed as the "God of Shinobi"

This is a title that has only been held by 2 other ninja. Hashirama Senju & The Sage of 6 Paths.

The fact that he has earned this title alone should clue people in on just how powerful this man was in his prime.

Aging​

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It is clear that in Hiruzen's old age he had become extremely weak compared to his Prime.

Limitations in Battle against Orochimaru​

Alot of people give Hiruzen come credit for defeating Orochimaru in battle, but some people dont fully understand how great a feat this was. Alot of people saw him using RDS as a last resort unbeatable move that he used because he knew he could not defeat Orochimaru otherwise. But in actuallity he was forced into using RDS and managed to pull it off.

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Keen Sense's​

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While under the effects of Hashirama's "Eternal Darkness" Jutsu, a jutsu created to counter ninja with Sharingan, Hiruzen still managed to track down Hashirama from within the Darkness and bind him, then seal him.

Taijutsu​

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This is the first we see of his raw strenght in taijutsu, but we also see another instance. We see true taijutsu in motion when he forced Orochimaru into a position where he is left open to being sealed.

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Professor​

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Hiruzen mastered every jutsu within Konoha. Nuff Said!

Power of Chakra

Hiruzen had Chakra that was so potent that when used it would dense and erupt in the atmoshpere, this can be seen from the manga image but is best seen in the anime.

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Youngest Hokage​

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Hiruzen was made Hokage by Tobirama at a very young age. And as Iruka said before the Hokage is the strongest person in the Village. Which means that at that time and at that young age Hiruzen was the strongest ninja in the village 2nd to Tobirama, perhaps stronger. If their was stronger, they would have been made Hokage instead.

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Conclusion​

What I am saying here is not that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, or that he is stronger that Tobirama, or that he can solo the Juubi or anything. I am not Fanboying him, all I am saying is that we have good reason to believe that he was an exceptionally strong ninja who at the very least was on par with Tobirama and Hashirama.

Even in his old age he was able to subdue and seal both Hashirama and Tobirama and Orochimaru. Could he defeat Hashirama? Who knows, probably not, could he overpower Tobirama? Maybe maybe not. But was he on their level? Ofcourse...

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You are leaving out the fact that Hashirama and Tobirama were not at full power, something Tobirama noted the second time they were resurrected. They didn't use any of their strongest Jutsu, Tobirama didn't use the FTG technique and Hashirama didn't even use Sage Mode or any advanced Wood Release Jutsu.

More likely Hiruzen was the strongest in comparison to the Ninja of his generation.
 

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Hiruzens hype is a joke he doesn't deserve it and he didnt earn it. The kages of his generation are stronger than him by leaps and bounds.
 

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Hiruzens hype is a joke he doesn't deserve it and he didnt earn it. The kages of his generation are stronger than him by leaps and bounds.

Your statement has no merit

You are leaving out the fact that Hashirama and Tobirama were not at full power, something Tobirama noted the second time they were resurrected. They didn't use any of their strongest Jutsu, Tobirama didn't use the FTG technique and Hashirama didn't even use Sage Mode or any advanced Wood Release Jutsu.

More likely Hiruzen was the strongest in comparison to the Ninja of his generation.

I left it out because it is irrelevant. Hiruzen who too wasnt at full power when compared to his prime, and Hiruzen too didnt use any of his strongest Jutsu, rather he was forced into using RDS to deal with the Edo and Orochimaru,

Everything you say about Tobirama and Hashirama are applicable to Hiruzen...
 

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Your statement has no merit



I left it out because it is irrelevant. Hiruzen who too wasnt at full power when compared to his prime, and Hiruzen too didnt use any of his strongest Jutsu, rather he was forced into using RDS to deal with the Edo and Orochimaru,

Everything you say about Tobirama and Hashirama are applicable to Hiruzen...

lol, so Hiruzen can compete with this?:

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itachi totsuka&amaterasu GG..
 

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Your leaving out the fact that People born in the generations after hiruzen could not have known the power before him let alone the powers of Lord first and Second but imagine if Madara heard that knid of blasphemy he would really pawn people like Iruka
 

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If we are discussing Hiruzen, and more specific the battle vs Orochimaru, you give Hiruzen "feat" from beating them in the darkness, but IMO the darkness was what allowed Hiruzen to win by exploiting a weakness towards Orochimaru and the two kage's. As Hiruzen's teacher, I would assume, that Hashirama could even have known, that the jutsu could help Hiruzen in a way. However, what made him able to defeat them in the darkness, just proves why he was called the professor.

Knowledge is key in this universe, it's the most important thing, when shinobi battle. Hiruzen had so much knowledge, and he used that knowledge to win. He isn't stronger than Orochimaru, but he took advantage of the enemy jutsu, because of his own knowledge / experience about the jutsu and the opponents he was facing.

Also people are still kind of "mad" about this fight, but really give Kishi a chance. You cannot plan a story so long that early. Obviously you cannot plan, who the strongest shinobi is supposed to be, since when the power level rises among all shinobi, it eventually catches up to the strongest, and thus the term needs to be refined..
 

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Its been a while since ive put out a thread so cut me some slack :p. It looks scary long but each section are rather short so please feel free to read!

I will be proof reading this after i get back from the gym. So forgive any grammatical errors




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This thread is not meant to fan boy Hiruzen. Rather it is meant to simply highlight some factual manga evidence revolving around him and to showcase how strong he really is. Keep an open mind when viewing this thread please.


Greatest Hokage

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In this scan we see Iruka referring to the Hokages faces who have had their faces sculpted on the mountain side. And stating that Hiruzen was the great of all the Kages and was such a genius that he was nick named "professor"

God of Shinobi​

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In this scan we see Orochimaru mocking Hiruzen saying that even he who was hailed as the "God of Shinobi" could not defeat old age. This is something I will touch on again later but for now the most important thing that you need to know about this statement is the fact that Hiruzen was hailed as the "God of Shinobi"

This is a title that has only been held by 2 other ninja. Hashirama Senju & The Sage of 6 Paths.

The fact that he has earned this title alone should clue people in on just how powerful this man was in his prime.

Aging​

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It is clear that in Hiruzen's old age he had become extremely weak compared to his Prime.

Limitations in Battle against Orochimaru​

Alot of people give Hiruzen come credit for defeating Orochimaru in battle, but some people dont fully understand how great a feat this was. Alot of people saw him using RDS as a last resort unbeatable move that he used because he knew he could not defeat Orochimaru otherwise. But in actuallity he was forced into using RDS and managed to pull it off.

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Keen Sense's​

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While under the effects of Hashirama's "Eternal Darkness" Jutsu, a jutsu created to counter ninja with Sharingan, Hiruzen still managed to track down Hashirama from within the Darkness and bind him, then seal him.

Taijutsu​

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This is the first we see of his raw strenght in taijutsu, but we also see another instance. We see true taijutsu in motion when he forced Orochimaru into a position where he is left open to being sealed.

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Professor​

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Hiruzen mastered every jutsu within Konoha. Nuff Said!

Power of Chakra

Hiruzen had Chakra that was so potent that when used it would dense and erupt in the atmoshpere, this can be seen from the manga image but is best seen in the anime.

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Youngest Hokage​

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Hiruzen was made Hokage by Tobirama at a very young age. And as Iruka said before the Hokage is the strongest person in the Village. Which means that at that time and at that young age Hiruzen was the strongest ninja in the village 2nd to Tobirama, perhaps stronger. If their was stronger, they would have been made Hokage instead.

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Conclusion​

What I am saying here is not that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, or that he is stronger that Tobirama, or that he can solo the Juubi or anything. I am not Fanboying him, all I am saying is that we have good reason to believe that he was an exceptionally strong ninja who at the very least was on par with Tobirama and Hashirama.

Even in his old age he was able to subdue and seal both Hashirama and Tobirama and Orochimaru. Could he defeat Hashirama? Who knows, probably not, could he overpower Tobirama? Maybe maybe not. But was he on their level? Ofcourse...

ENJOY THE READ!!!
I love this thread though Hashirama wood clone solo while Tobirama's finger water jutsu also solo
 
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Good thread. I see no wanking nor trolling.

Facts after facts with manga images. It's good. +rep

Hiruzen indeed is powerful, the Senju bros are his teachers so he should know how to counter FTG, Mokuton, etc. I personally do think that Hiruzen's monkey-like reflexes would give him serious advantage over Mokuton like Edo Madara's.

Hopefully, Hiruzen will pull something out that could contest with Hashirama's "Thousand Hands" in the future chapters.
 

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I would like to add that the Shinobi Alliance showed shock at the Hashirama and Madara battle, they were stunned at the power the two of them were showing, and Kabuto noted that many people considered their power to be a fairy tale like the Sage of the Six Paths.

Even the Five Kage were stunned at PS and Tsunade (Hiruzen's student) couldn't believe her grandfather fought something like that.

That just further shows that the current generation had no idea how powerful Hashirama was until now, so saying that they called Hiruzen the strongest so he must be on Hashirama's level is ridiculous.
 
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I really got sick of this crap. The only "Kami" is Rikudou Sennin. Any other are just trolls.
 

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nice analysis. I loved the lord of the rings reference in Keen Sense's
 

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Hiruzen: " "
 
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Hiruzen on Hashirama and Tobirama's level ? LMAO
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lol, so Hiruzen can compete with this?:

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Now we still don't know what that scroll has, you know... the one that Hashirama's wielding all the time.

Jeez, even the game version of Madara vs Hashirama was better, atleast it had more tactics and variant of Jutsus and not just spamming who has the biggest creatures and screaming eachother's names "I'm coming, Madara!" "Oh, Hashirama, Come.".
 

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Yes he can! Mokuton: Shinsūsenju counter
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I second this, Hiruzen can easily counter Shinsuusenju this way and beat Hashirama.

Also I would like to add to this thread, it's a further in-depth explanation as to Hiruzen's power and it makes just asmuch sense as this thread.
 
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