[VS] Garra and Itachi who actually wins?

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There have been countless times when both are considered the victor to the point I don't know who would win.

Can someone provide a legitimate post stating a side for either, with PROOF of their claims?

and keep the wank post to yourself please. Also, no need for drawn out debates, just post the reasons for the victor
 
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People are going to say Tsukyomi solos but from a logical point of view if Gaara has knowledge on genjutsu then he stands a good chance.
 

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Garra counters 85% of his jutsu

This fight would come down to stamina, Garra would take it mid-high diffifculty on most instances.

Therefore, generally i would see Garra wins.
 

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Amaterasu most likely ends him.
 

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Could go either way but due to Itachi's Intelligence and the way he has been portrayed in the manga I would simply go with him. But since you said no wanking I guess I have to put a little work into it. :yeah:

Anyway's regarding my intellect statement regarding Itachi's these two scans should be self explanatory in terms of his battle experience and calmness and overall superiority.

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Anyway's back to how this fight would turn out, Gaara's main fighting style consists of catching his opponents off guard with sneak attacks with the use of his sand as showcased with Deidara and Kimimaro and Madara.

Deidara[ ]

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As you can see each scan refers back to my point earlier regarding Gaara's fighting style but the next scan later after each of the scans I posted, the ninja that I listed were capable of tracking and reacting and defending against Gaara's sand, needless to say Itachi has shown greater reaction time feats excluding madara of course than Deidara and kimimaro to my understanding so in the end I don't see sand attacks from behind begin a problem for itachi since he has the evasive and speed feats to defend against gaara's sand. Some gaara supporters will make an argument being that gaara can distract Itachi with a and then trap Itachi as he did against kimimaro[ ]. But to my believe I believe Itachi will be capable of anticipating gaara's underground sand methods due to the fact . And the fact that during there fight ( him and sasuke ) Itachi was able to evade Sasuke's katon dragons from below while being near blind and being hardly able to stand[ ]

Anyway's sand burial get's countered via sussano thus releasing Itachi, it was already displayed how large size beings such as gamabunta was able to release naruto from gaara's sand coffin due to it's small size. Sussano should be capable of doing the same thing. Now before you say Itachi's sussano sword is useless against gaara's sand while I agree due to the fact that gaara's automated defense tanked 5 sussano swords if Im correct? But if you recall during the war Madara's yaska magatama's penetrated and went through gaara's sand and needed assistance via onoki's golem to help stop the Yaska magatama from harming the kages which goes back to the matter of piercing/crushing attacks have a different effect on gaara's sand. Anyway's regarding gaara's automated defense during the chunin exam's Lee's fist was capable of going through it a bit so what can we say about sussano hand? Pretty self explanatory, also kimimaro was capable of destroying and passing gaara's defense a bit, during the dsm kabuto vs uchiha bros, , so can conclude that itachi's sussano sword>>Kimimaro's bones in hardness and sharpness.

Anyway's Itachi can end this with genjutsu quite easily at the beginning of the match needless to say before it gets out of hand, if gaara decides to use his 3rd eye and go up into the sky, Itachi can locate the 3rd eye since it has chakra in it I presume? The sharigan will be able to locate the 3rd eye and still put gaara into a genjutsu since I believe it is stated to be connected to up optic nerve still? Either way I see itachi catching gaara into a tysukuyomi or a genjutsu regardless, there's also the matter of gaara having no info on totsuka blade which is a one shot kill and GG for gaara if Itachi's pierces him with it.

Just my thought on the matter, don't really feel like debating this tbh.
 

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Someone has been looking at my pass post regarding Garra (no names)
 

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Lol do you mean me? what are you referring to?

I am 100% sure that i am the only user stating Garra's fighting style and his tactic of using sneak attacks. I'm pretty this was against you once before as well. No biggie, just found it funny someone mentioned this, since ive never seen anyone do it.

Also, i would put say Garra's intelligence is =<Itachi's from his past fights.

Im just saying, not debating
 
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I am 100% sure that i am the only user stating Garra's fighting style and his tactic of using sneak attacks. I'm pretty this was against you once before as well. No biggie, just found it funny someone mentioned this, since ive never seen anyone do it.

Also, i would put say Garra's intelligence is =<Itachi's from his past fights.

Im not just saying, not debating

Oh yeah I do recall you talking about gaara's fighting style in our past debatexd

And I won't deny Gaara's is a good analyzer when it comes to his fight as shown against edo madara via pulling him out of sussano but overall intelligence can't be argue'd here as the manga portrayed itachi much greater in that regard.:yeah:
 

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Oh yeah I do recall you talking about gaara's fighting style in our past debatexd

And I won't deny Gaara's is a good analyzer when it comes to his fight as shown against edo madara via pulling him out of sussano but overall intelligence can't be argue'd here as the manga portrayed itachi much greater in that regard.:yeah:

that's understandable. I just haven't seen Itachi be as tactical/strategic as Garra. For example, 2nd Mizukage fight Garra has shown great analysis. IMO the best in the series. Nonetheless, I DO agree Itachi overall has greater intelligence.

Generally, I see it like this. (Not a counter post)

Going off the first half PC's post, Garra would most likely start off with sneak attack. Itachi as we've seen likes to be in control of his battles, so with Garra initiating the move the tide is somewhat on his side. This is already going against Itachi typical strategy, who likes to start with using genjutsu and/or being stationary. However, being as intelligent as he is, Itachi has the speed ability to dodge and the jutsu to counter attack (simultaneously) w/ either Katon release, amaterasu or suiton release (possibility).

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However, this isn't much of a threat against Garra who in his position is observing an attack coming towards him and in the midst can block with sand (shielding himself) or dodging by flying above it.

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Garra being able to attack and defend simultaneously can do this without much effort. Even in this small altercation, have had the opportunity to place clones, as both have taken their eyes of the other. Nonetheless, in this moment Itachi would need to close the distance instantly and would resort to..
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Now while this would be very smart for MOST opponents and I do acknowledge that this COULD work, Garra has shown feats of sweeping up sand fast when feeling overwhelmed by one's speed and/or have been shown doing this...

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Now if Itachi was to break pass this, he can very well be attacking a clone as Garra again has shielded his entire body from Itachi's vision. Whether Itachi bypass the sand or not, Garra has the means counter (this varies as he's shown so many) but let's use this one

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AGAIN Itachi can counter, with this being either a suiton clone OR Susnaoo. The use of clone depends on the situation, but knowing Itachi he'll resort to some form of Susnaoo. Breaking Garra's sand, Garra will notice susnaoo and from past experience back away and try to over overpower it. At this moment it really depends of the power/stamina from each side and something I don't feel like further discussing right now. But I will say in regard to PC saying Itachi sword>>Kimimmaro's bones. Itachi sliced Kimimmaro's less dense bones, Garra withstood Kimimmaro's strongest/most dense bone structure

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So overall, it can go either way but I'm still leaning towards Garra. This is my brief/simple analysis of their styles in an actual, not a debate lol

-Garra can easily keep his distance easily
-Garra's sand's grip prevented the 3rd Raikage and the 2nd Mizukage from moving until they used (raiton armor and oil).
-has shown sealing ability the rivals susnaoo size and this occurs automatically.
-uses body flicker himself
-has 3rd eye available to cover all of his blind spots.
- etc
 
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Copy and Paste from my own thread​

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*Disclaimer: Gaara is the Shukaku's Jinchuriki in this thread


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Countering Doujutsu:
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Gaara's basic ability allows him to turn . Given this was in Part 1, he can convert more sand in Part 2. With this, It serves two uses, it attacks and gives Gaara cover from Itachi's eyesight. Effectively rendering Amaterasu useless for the moment and protecting Gaara from Genjutsu.


From There, to counter any of Itachi's Doujutsu, . Using Daisan no Me to keep track of Itachi. The Shield of sand completely nullifies Amaterasu and any potential Genjutsu attempts.

can be used as a fail safe for any defensive holes. If by chances he gets hit by Amaterasu, Suna no Yoroi can be shed to keep Gaara safe.


Itachi's last two options once Gaara gets in the air is Totsuka no Tsurugi and Yasaka Magatama. Neither have the empowering feats to make it through Gaara's Defense's. Given that its capable of blocking attacks such as , , , and . Nor is Totsuka's Length enough to reach Gaara in its exteneded or unexteneded forms.
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His normal Sand Manipulation was also far Superior while he was a Jinchuriki. is enough to force Itachi into Susano'O. If Itachi decides to not use Susano'O, then this can be used to wear Itachi down or until he is caught.

Once forced into Susano'O , While Itachi's eyes are focused on whats above him. then finishing Itachi with . If Itachi never decides to go inside of Susano'O, then he will be caught by the pure AoE of Gaara's Attacks.


is an attack that Itachi can only guard against with Susano'O, this also hinderes Susano'O's movements and can be lead straight into which can completely engulf Susano'O and restrain it by binding the cruxs of its arms. Which inevitably leaves Itachi open to be grabbed with Sabaku Kyu.
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Itachi prowess will result him as winner.
 
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