Does Naruto have any chance against MS Sasuke if he isn't in BM?

[Wolfus]

Exactly. Its his V4 Susanoo but it has legs instead, that is the only difference. It doesn't change the fact that its his V4 Susanoo.

But v4 with legs is stronger, it's more evolved. Follow the order I mentioned.

 

[KidGamer65]

But v4 with legs is stronger, it's more evolved. Follow the order I mentioned.

The only thing that makes it better is that it has legs, its strength doesn't increase, only mobility. Its like that for every Susanoo that gets legs, it just gets mobility. Defense definitely remains the same.

 

[Wolfus]

The only thing that makes it better is that it has legs, its strength doesn't increase, only mobility. Its like that for every Susanoo that gets legs, it just gets mobility. Defense definitely remains the same.

Are you sure of this? Because It's very hard to think that the pre estabilized PS has the same power and defense of a v4. I got an idea. We create a thread about this(not today cause I'm tired), so we'll get differen opinions and evidences. Then we conclude something, make a conclusion thread to the people in NB, and whenever needed, we just use that thread. What do you think?
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[AlphaScythian]

That literally makes no sense at all.

OT: He still has Kyuubi chakra modo and Sennin modo. If it is current Naruto, he will be able to mold KCM with SM regardless and have a smaller scale BSM, which is more than enough for MS Sasuke. KCM is enough actually, KCSM is overkill.

So current naruto? How do we make current MS sasuke? There is really no difference now except the drain on the eyes. So lets not go into KCM+SM. In SM naruto loses to MS and in KCM susanoo is still abit too much.

 

[antwquan]

SM Naruto > MS Sasuke as stated by Zetsu.

Key word was probably and Zetsu didn't even see or know Sasuke had susano'o then so how would he know sasuke's limits?

 

[Wolfus]

So current naruto? How do we make current MS sasuke? There is really no difference now except the drain on the eyes. So lets not go into KCM+SM. In SM naruto loses to MS and in KCM susanoo is still abit too much.

No. Of course there is a difference. Current sasuke has an EMS, it seems that any of the side effects of the use of MS is removed(not only the dran on the eyes, but the pain as well). And he can use PS.

 

[AlphaScythian]

No. Of course there is a difference. Current sasuke has an EMS, it seems that any of the side effects of the use of MS is removed(not only the dran on the eyes, but the pain as well). And he can use PS.

EMS and MS are the same in core. Only difference that with new pair of eyes that dont go blind he actually got the chance to evolve his susanoo and enton to new level, where otherwise he would be blind.
So current MS sasuke would be EMS as there is no difference.

 

[Shura]

Kyūbi Chakura Mōdo Naruto would triumph against a Mangekyō Sharingan state Sasuke, however, his chances against the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan state Sasuke are non-existant. Whoever believes otherwise is doing nothing more than merely deluding themselves.​

 

[Wolfus]

EMS and MS are the same in core. Only difference that with new pair of eyes that dont go blind he actually got the chance to evolve his susanoo and enton to new level, where otherwise he would be blind.
So current MS sasuke would be EMS as there is no difference.

EMS gave sasuke the possbility to evolve to PS. Not only that, but he won't go blind(as you said), but he no longer complains about the pain of using the techniques. That makes a great difference. And enton too, as you said.

 

[AlphaScythian]

EMS gave sasuke the possbility to evolve to PS. Not only that, but he won't go blind(as you said), but he no longer complains about the pain of using the techniques. That makes a great difference. And enton too, as you said.

So then current MS is EMS but with drawbacks. Glad we agreed.

 

[Wolfus]

So then current MS is EMS but with drawbacks. Glad we agreed.

There is no "current MS sasuke". He already has an EMS, can he use the MS? If current sasuke can use MS instead of EMS, I don't really know the difference. I'm talking about MS sasuke, no EMS. He wouldn't have PS or susanoo with legs, and he would have great drawbacks.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Key word was probably and Zetsu didn't even see or know Sasuke had susano'o then so how would he know sasuke's limits?

Zetsu was comparing a non-fused to Ma and Pa toad SM to a non-Susanoo MS. We saw Sound base genjutsu take Susanoo down as it paralyzes Sasuke and Itachi so frog song ad a rasenshuriken. A SM clone sense and doded the 3rd Raikage speed, Amateraus not faster than that (A evade it and Naruto compared the 3rd's speed with A's when he said Raikages are fast). Naruto has Ma to use Dust cloud to weaken Sasuke's sight as well.

So current naruto? How do we make current MS sasuke? There is really no difference now except the drain on the eyes. So lets not go into KCM+SM. In SM naruto loses to MS and in KCM susanoo is still abit too much.

Wrong, SM has frog song that paralyzes Sasuke and takes down Susanoo as Kabuto's sound genjutsu did (nothing was special about it, it was just sound genjutsu) and Sasuke has no knowledge about Fro song so it's not like he's going to try and stop it. KM can pull Sasuke out of Susanoo with his chakra arms as Kurama shown to attack from underground (

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) and Kurama is there to tell him to do it or can switch over and do it himself. KM>EMS (up to Final Susanoo since he could pull Sasuke out of Susanoo).

 

[AlphaScythian]

Wrong, SM has frog song that paralyzes Sasuke and takes down Susanoo as Kabuto's sound genjutsu did (nothing was special about it, it was just sound genjutsu) and Sasuke has no knowledge about Fro song so it's not like he's going to try and stop it. KM can pull Sasuke out of Susanoo with his chakra arms as Kurama shown to attack from underground (

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) and Kurama is there to tell him to do it or can switch over and do it himself. KM>EMS (up to Final Susanoo since he could pull Sasuke out of Susanoo).

Frogs take time to summon. One amaterasu will end the frog and the genjutsu. Sasuke can see chakra from underground now it wont come as surprise. This trick doesnt work with ribcage thou, and KCM has nothing to destroy it, FRS are easily countered by enton or fire jutsu.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Frogs take time to summon. One amaterasu will end the frog and the genjutsu. Sasuke can see chakra from underground now it wont come as surprise. This trick doesnt work with ribcage thou, and KCM has nothing to destroy it, FRS are easily countered by enton or fire jutsu.

No they don't, Jiraiya was gathering natural energy while he was running and summoned them as he went SM, Ma toad uses natural energy and was summoning Naruto, Pa toad, 3 giant toads and Gamagichi. Naruto summoned toads fast himself. How is Sasuke going to use Amaterasu when he's paralyzed and Naruto having the toads fused to him, he can react, and use of clones.

Sasuke can't just see chakra underground, he has to activate that ability, meaning he has to feel like he needs to use it. He activated it during the fight against Kabuto as shown here:

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. Yes it works with the Rib cage, 1 hand holds the cage and 1 grabs Sasuke and pull him. Naruto can use many chakra arms plus clones. As for the enton and fire jutsus, FRS would cut thru them, they have to be on FRS level and be in a condense form. If it's just a Enton wall then it's going to cut thru it as

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nad it cutting thru Juubi's tails

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But even then, Naruto can just use Chou FRS as well as the bigger one he seems t be making right now in the chapter.

 

[juzumaki]

sage mode naruto was stronger than ms sasuke and kcm would be overkill considering naruto changes the chakra arm size at will and can do many kcm jutsus in seconds