My sig =/= episode , in the episode it took time and even then , its still anime and anime =/=manga.
V4 = Final Susanoo ( the unstabilized version )
And all you're saying is an assumption , i said what has to be said in my previous post , i'm not gonna re say it.
Wrong, Itachi has Final Susanoo yet does not have PS and Sasuke didn't get leg Susanoo until after EMS so that comes after V4 as well.
KCM naruto had troubles with edo jins and edo kages, also itachi and nagato. i dont see him beating MS sasuke.
That was KM Naruto who was training before entering the war then splitting his chakra 1/13th when he made 12 clones. Naruto was never at full power yet 1 KM clone beat Muu and a Kabuto controlled 3rd Raikage with minimal help. Also Naruto never completed his KM training yet he was still turning the war in the Alliance favor. SM=/>MS Sasuke as Zetsu said. Zetsu said Naruto might be stronger than Sasuke now and this was non-fused to Ma and Pa Naruto to Non-Susanoo Sasuke. And we know sound genjutsu takes down Susanoo as Kabuto fight took down Sasuke's and Itachi's so yes SM>MS.
Susanoo was never giving names of the versions in the manga too , we fans just say that.
V1 = Ribcage
V2 = Incomplete ( the ones he used against Gaara ).
V3 = Complete ( The one he used against Kabuto and Danzo )
V4 = Final Susanoo ( The one Madara used before the Perfect Susano ,the unstabilized one and the one Sasuke used against Zetsu )
V5 = Perfect Susanoo.
The user can adjust the size as he please , the V3 Sasuke used against Danzo seemed rather small , but when he used it against Juubito , it was the same size of 50 % Kyuubi ( and adding legs alone don't make it that big , so obviously the user can control its size ).
Same goes for V4 , while Sasuke's V4 is rather small ( the one he used against Zetsu) , Madara's V4 is huge.
And i'm not making assumption , just stating what i saw in that chapter , nothing more nothing less.
Wrong, you forgot Leg Susanoo which came after Final Susanoo. Even Madara used leg Susanoo over Final Susanoo. Are you comparing MS Susanoo with Sasuke's EMS Susanoo? Didn't you say not to bring MS into this?
Please stop , Its because of people like you that Sasuke is hated a lot.
SM Naruto and MS Sasuke were portrayed to be equal ( with a slight edge to Sasuke because Naruto said so ) , but there is no way Naruto will get OS by Amaterasu , that's not how Kishi do fights , especially the Naruto vs Sasuke fights.
actually Naruto never said that, he only said he needed Kurama's power after reading Sasuke's mind cause he knew Sasuke was going to get more power and what did Sasuke do? Ask Obito for Itachi's eyes. Read my post VVVV for more dealt on why SM can beat MS more than lose.
Read my replies and you'll see how Naruto only needs SM to win.
Without any kyuubi chakra forms, SM loses a horribly against MS Sasuke
Wrong, only takes SM to beat Sasuke. Naruto has Perfect SM (fused to Ma and Pa) and Sound genjutsus takes Susanoo down as we saw with Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto and a SM clone used his speed and sensory ability to dodged the 3rd Raikage's speed which is faster than Amaterasu. What does Sasuke have to win? He has no knowledge of frog kata so in close range he's 1 hit KO. Naruto can make clones, Ma toad used dust cloud to weaken Sasuke's sight, they can use Boiling oil (fire+wind+oil), frog song, help with strategies so MS Sasuke loses more than he wins.
Again read my post , the user can control any version and make it bigger and add to it legs.
That's why i said Madara V4 > Sasuke V4.
Madara's leg Susanoo has 2 heads and 4 hands so we already know his Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke's and nothing shows them able to make the forms bigger or smaller than what it's meant to, you used MS Sasuke and EMS Sasuke as examples but it can easily be that EMS makes all MS jutsus stronger as we seen enton increase.
As far as we know , the MS users are unable to do such feat , so don't bring them in this conversation.
You compared MS Sasuke Susanoo to EMS Sasuke Susanoo tho, so don't bring in the Susanoo from Danzo fight if that's the case. There's a reason why Sasuke nor Itachi could use leg Susanoo with only MS, EMS just goes to PS and leg Susanoo is a step towards that while MS stops at Final Susanoo.
No he doesn't. That amateratsu spam son.
If a SM clone can sense and react to the 3rd Raikage then he can to Amaterasu. And MS Sasuke can't spam Amaterasu lol He'll be hitting shadow clones then be exhausted from over usage, MS side effect (pain) and going further blind.
Didn't know rasengan was rasenshuriken now. Rasengan does more internal damages than external ones. Rasenshuriken can blow off bodies. They aren't comparable
If he use KM then he'll just pull Sasuke out of Susanoo with his chakra arms and slam him into a Oodama rasengan like so:
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. KM can do this to EMS as well up to Final Susanoo since it's open to ground attacks, Leg Susanoo and up is more BM level. SM use frog song to paralyze Sasuke and deactivate Susanoo (Kabuto fight showed sound genjutsus put Susanoo down), there's dust cloud from Ma toad, boiling oil which is made from 3 attacks so should be around Jinton level (BO=Wind+Fire+Oil and Jinton=Wind+Earth+Fire).
