The Theory of Unequal Distribution of Tailed beats.

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The Theory of Unequal Distribution of the Tailed beats.

I made this thread to order to explain how Naruto deflected a combined Bijuudama from six of the Bijuu with only a Flash Bijudama. At the time we saw an inordinate amount of *****ing, moaning, and complaining about how it was such an asspull.

Here's a little glimpse into how my mind processed this information:

Juubi's Chakra & Unequal Distribution of Tails

I had a Theory in my head long ago, about the chakra from each of the Bijuu, and why the Kurama was so powerful when compared to Shukaku.

As an introduction to this Theory, I had to come up with a way to measure how much chakra the Juubi originally had, and thus how much chakra the Bijuu have. For the purposes of this Theory, the units of measure will be referred to as "Tails". These tails are both literal and symbolic. In the literal sense, they are the number of "tails" each Bijuu has. Symbolically, they are used to measure chakra amount and power.

Before I kick into the Theory, we need a little history class. When the Juubi was split by the Sage of Six Paths, he divided the chakra up between them.

Did I lose you there? Of course not. Moving on.

Although the Hachibi claims that the Bijuu's power is not related to the number of tails they possess, it is clear from manga feats that his claims are complete bullshit.

IF the chakra of the Juubi had been divided up equally, each Bijuu would have 1/9th of the Juubi's original chakra levels. The reason I say this now is because we will revisit this idea later.

The concept of The Theory of Unequal Distribution of Tails stems from the idea that The power and amount of chakra for each "tail" does not grow in a linear pattern. Rather, the growth is multiplicative.

The "tails" (unit of measure) were divided up exactly as they appear to be, one “tail” to Shukaku, eight to Hachibi, nine to Kurama, and so on for each Bijuu.

The power and amount of chakra for each "tail" does not grow in a linear pattern. Rather, the growth is multiplicative, as shown in my below example.

Example:
1 "tail" = 1 unit of power
2 "tails" = 2 units of power
3 "tails" = 4 units of power
4 "tails" = 8 units of power
5 "tails" = 16 units of power
6 "tails" = 32 units of power
7 "tails" = 64 units of power
8 "tails" = 128 units of power
9 "tails" = 256 units of power

I get these numbers by simply doubling the power of each tail as they count up. What this means is that when the So6P split the Juubi, he gave half to the Kurama, then half to the Hachibi, half to Nanabi, etc. until he gave the remainder to Shukaku.

In other words, the Juubi only has double the chakra of a full powered Kyuubi.

The numbers look ridiculous and impossible, I know. But they hold up under manga scrutiny; at least feat wise.
Let's assume that my Theory is true. How would this affect the manga and characters?

Well, for one thing, the Shukaku's chakra would be piddly compared to the Kurama's. About 1/256th of the Kyuubi's chakra if the Kyuubi was at full power.

This seems utterly incorrect and impossible. But is it really? Since when did the Shukaku have any chakra feats at all? Maybe he didn't really have any. Gaara's chakra reserve has shown no negative consequence from the Shukaku being extracted. In fact, Gaara seems more powerful during the War Arc than he ever was before. If the Juubi's chakra had been evenly divided among the Bijuu, Gaara would have lost a substantial amount of chakra.

For the next point, we need to remember one very important fact. Minato sealed half of the Kurama's chakra in himself. This means that Naruto only has access to half of the Kurama's power. According to my scale, this puts his chakra levels at exactly the same as Hachibi's. This concept seems to be true as well, as any small deviation in power may be explained by Naruto having a more efficient seal than Bee. If the Juubi's chakra had been evenly divided among the Bijuu and the Kurama had half of his chakra sealed, he would be only half as strong as the others. This is clearly not the case.

Lastly, when Naruto was fending off the Bijuu Bomb from the Six other Bijuu, the combined power of those Bijuu should have been around 126 on my scale. The Kyuubi clocks in at about 128 if we assume half is sealed in Minato. This would seem to hold up in manga context.

Also, according to my Theory... IF Minato gives Naruto the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra, he will have more chakra power than Obito when he was Jinchuriki of the incomplete Juubi.

Will obtaining the other half of Kurama's chakra give Naruto any new powers? Possibly, but it seems Obito's new powers come from simply being the incomplete Juubi's Jinchuriki, not from the amount of chakra he now possesses.

The Theory of Unequal Distribution of Tails explains why the Kurama seems to be so powerful, and why the Shukaku seemed meaningless. In conclusion this why I think gaining the other half of the Kurama's Chakra would almost put Naruto in the same league as Obito when he was Jinchuriki of the incomplete Juubi.

OT: Sorry for the wall of text by the way :p
Also, this is my first theory, I put on the net please go easy on me lol.
 
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Shukaku was restrained by the Toad Boss. I think this at least is evidence for Shukaku's position. The other 7 biju have to be supported.
 

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seems plausible, certainly would explain how kyuubi was not instantly pooped on by a combined tbb from the other bijuu's.
 

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seems plausible, certainly would explain how kyuubi was not instantly pooped on by a combined tbb from the other bijuu's.
Thank you, I would hope to see Naruto gaining the other half of Kurama to see what added benefits would bring.
 

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Thank you, I would hope to see Naruto gaining the other half of Kurama to see what added benefits would bring.

most definitely, I wanna see something past Bijuu mode, involving another transformation
 

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most definitely, I wanna see something past Bijuu mode, involving another transformation

I know, we should soon see more of Rikodou's past as well :D
 

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Shukaku was restrained by the Toad Boss. I think this at least is evidence for Shukaku's position. The other 7 biju have to be supported.

Even Gamabuta, Boss Toad, said the Shukaku One-Tail was an hassle to defeat.
 

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Here are 2 things I want you to answer, these things may or may not have been in your thread:

1) What makes you think the Tails add multiplicaltevly as they increase
2) " it is clear from manga feats that his claims are complete bullshit." What feats are you talking about? Non of the Tailed Beasts have had enough feats to compare them.
3) Lastly if I even try to humor your thread I would have to believe that Kurama is two hundred and fifty six times stronger than Shukaka. I dont believe their gap in power to be that wide a margin, if that was the case then Hachabi's comment on the power of tails being irrelevant would obviously have no merit to the point that he would not have said it.. No the fact that he can even believe such a thing would mean that their power levels are close enough that gauging them would be difficult. Which is why I believe that their power levels increasing additively makes alot more sense.

1 Tails = 1 Tails power
2 Tails = 1 + 1 Tails power
3 Tails = 1 + 2 Tails Power
4 Tails = 1 + 2 + 3 Tails Power
5 Tails etc...

You get the point.
 

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It was once mentioned that Shukaku hated Kurama because kurama always boasted about how he has the most power because of his tails
 

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Here are 2 things I want you to answer, these things may or may not have been in your thread:

1) What makes you think the Tails add multiplicaltevly as they increase
2) " it is clear from manga feats that his claims are complete bullshit." What feats are you talking about? Non of the Tailed Beasts have had enough feats to compare them.
3) Lastly if I even try to humor your thread I would have to believe that Kurama is two hundred and fifty six times stronger than Shukaka. I dont believe their gap in power to be that wide a margin, if that was the case then Hachabi's comment on the power of tails being irrelevant would obviously have no merit to the point that he would not have said it.. No the fact that he can even believe such a thing would mean that their power levels are close enough that gauging them would be difficult. Which is why I believe that their power levels increasing additively makes alot more sense.

1 Tails = 1 Tails power
2 Tails = 1 + 1 Tails power
3 Tails = 1 + 2 Tails Power
4 Tails = 1 + 2 + 3 Tails Power
5 Tails etc...

You get the point.

The first point it's quite obvious from the gecko when Kisimoto added the number of tail power scaling system to the Bijju. It makes sense due to the fact Naruto with half of kurama's full chakra reserve of power was able to match 5 other jinchuuriki in power. I'm not underrating the other bijuu if Son Goku was there in the power struggle, I would ultimately believe it would tip the scale. Althoigh, Gyuki was there in the the battle as well with both of Kurama's and Gyuki combine their power would of end it. The math is there it would be plausible for Kishimoto to set it up that way.

2. That's simply Gyuki sticking up for Shukaku even due by feats states otherwise, so Kurama was being an a ahole even though it was clear as day he outclasses the other bijuu, and was the most important one of the group. That's why Madara went on a field trip to mindfudge Kurama theirs a reason why Madara went after him not the other bijuu.

3. No, completely wrong there it was a huge difference read Jinchuriki battle. It makes sense as in point one I made on how Naruto and Kurama was able to match the other 5 bijuu in power.
 

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Agree. That is why Kurama>Shukaku.
 

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Interesting thread. But it is possible that all bijuu have 1/9th juubi chakra.

Shukaku whether the strongest or weakest bijuu, would not have a effect on gaaras chakra levels when extracted. Gaara became stronger since his extraction because of 2 things.

1. Training. Gaara almost certainly trained after haveing shukaku extracted. He almost certainly trained to prepare for the war.

2. He no longer had to give up a large portion of his chakra reserves to maintain the seal.


The only reason I dont neccesarily agree with you, is because of a quote by tobi
" I used up most of the bijuus chakra to create the zetsu army"

So half power kurama may not have been fighting 100% power other bijuu. However there is not true evidence to confirm or deny how strong the bijuus were when they were fought.(to confirm or deny). That is something that kishi must clarify.



All that said, the ten tails seems to support the theory that the bijuus tails go up exponentially.
 

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Makes sense fits into what we are shown in the manga good post.
 

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The first point it's quite obvious from the gecko when Kisimoto added the number of tail power scaling system to the Bijju. It makes sense due to the fact Naruto with half of kurama's full chakra reserve of power was able to match 5 other jinchuuriki in power. I'm not underrating the other bijuu if Son Goku was there in the power struggle, I would ultimately believe it would tip the scale. Althoigh, Gyuki was there in the the battle as well with both of Kurama's and Gyuki combine their power would of end it. The math is there it would be plausible for Kishimoto to set it up that way.

2. That's simply Gyuki sticking up for Shukaku even due by feats states otherwise, so Kurama was being an a ahole even though it was clear as day he outclasses the other bijuu, and was the most important one of the group. That's why Madara went on a field trip to mindfudge Kurama theirs a reason why Madara went after him not the other bijuu.

3. No, completely wrong there it was a huge difference read Jinchuriki battle. It makes sense as in point one I made on how Naruto and Kurama was able to match the other 5 bijuu in power.

They were being restrained by the chains the entire time.
It is even mentioned that obito was entirely focused on controlling them to the point he couldn't aford to use the rinnegan for anything else.

Meaning they were not at complete power
 

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The first point it's quite obvious from the gecko when Kisimoto added the number of tail power scaling system to the Bijju. It makes sense due to the fact Naruto with half of kurama's full chakra reserve of power was able to match 5 other jinchuuriki in power. I'm not underrating the other bijuu if Son Goku was there in the power struggle, I would ultimately believe it would tip the scale. Althoigh, Gyuki was there in the the battle as well with both of Kurama's and Gyuki combine their power would of end it. The math is there it would be plausible for Kishimoto to set it up that way.

2. That's simply Gyuki sticking up for Shukaku even due by feats states otherwise, so Kurama was being an a ahole even though it was clear as day he outclasses the other bijuu, and was the most important one of the group. That's why Madara went on a field trip to mindfudge Kurama theirs a reason why Madara went after him not the other bijuu.

3. No, completely wrong there it was a huge difference read Jinchuriki battle. It makes sense as in point one I made on how Naruto and Kurama was able to match the other 5 bijuu in power.

1) You didnt answer my question. I asked why you think they add up multiplicativly as oppose to additive. Now to further add to that the 9 Tails and 8 Tails did fight the other Tails and defeated them, but it wasnt

2) What Feats? What are you talkiing about? It is obvious that Kurama is stronger than the other Bijuu, the question is by what margin. You believe that Kurama is 256 times stronger than Shukaku. This is ludicrous.

3) ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION. You say I am wrong, then tell me to GO read something. Next time just post it instead. All I am going to say on this is that Kurama is no 256 times stronger than Shukaku, that makes no sense. Whether or not you want to continue believing that means nothing to me. It is only hurting your reputation and credibility as an NB member.

Now I am not going to check the thread again. But as a favor to you I will leave you with something you should think about. There are 2 ways to judge the power of a Tailed beasts, some people believe it is additive as in the 9 Tails power is equal to that of all the other tailed beasts power put together. Some people believe it is additive as in each Tail equals a level of power (If that set power level was 1000) then the 1 Tails would have a power level of 1000, 2 Tails 2000, 3 Tails 3000, etc...

Now here is where you come in. You introduce this NEW notion of multiplicative power levels. Where someway, somehow you imagine that Kurama is 256 times stronger than Shukaku. Now this is stupid for 2 reasons:

1) There is no reason to believe there is such a huge margin between tailed beasts.

2) Also your claim would suggest that the 8 tails has equal power as ALL the other tailed Beasts put together. So then why didnt he defeat them when he fought the other Tailed Beasts, who were being controlled by Obito and had there power limited. In fact it was the 8 Tails, Naruto, Gai and Kakashi vs the other 6 Tails and even then they didnt defeat the other Tailed Beasts, rather they destroyed the Stakes that were controlling them.

If what you are saying is correct, then they should have been able to completely overwhelm the other Tailed Beasts... So we have 2 things here:

1) What your saying is questionable as it doesnt make sense.
2) We have no reason to stop believing in the additive reasoning of Tailed Beasts powers and believe in a multiplicative reasoning that is questionable at best.
 

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Nice thread buddy............
 

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You know why Kurama is so much stronger? Cause it's sealed into the main character....

You really shouldn't put much thought into it.
 
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