haku vs kismae

[Bieber]

Elements themselves have charka in them? I know jutsu does of course, but the of a simple release is a question.

Like Kisame spitting a lake if water out. Isnt this just supplying the water? Was chakra within it?

Also, lets say he can freeze that jutsu, what would Kisame do?

Haku uses his chakra to create the ice, which will end up having his chakra in it. Yes, there was chakra in the water that Kisame spit up. If Haku is able to absorb Kisame's jutsus then he can just take it into CQC. [

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] Even Gai praised him for his strength, but remember this was Kisame at 30% of his actual power. He would have no problem keeping up with Haku and if needed he can also use his Doton jutsu to escape or aid an offensive attack. [

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[KidGamer65]

How so...? Don't forget the conidtions

................Didn't even read OP, lmao.

 

[Optimistic]

Give Haku Hashirama's DNA so he can spam his ice more.

 

[HNIC]

Haku uses his chakra to create the ice, which will end up having his chakra in it. Yes, there was chakra in the water that Kisame spit up. If Haku is able to absorb Kisame's jutsus then he can just take it into CQC. [

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] Even Gai praised him for his strength, but remember this was Kisame at 30% of his actual power. He would have no problem keeping up with Haku and if needed he can also use his Doton jutsu to escape or aid an offensive attack. [

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i need proof of chakra needed to create ice or at least an explanation. It's like wood release i think. Chakra is used to mold the jutsu, but wood itself has no chakra in it. CQC isn't much of an issue since haku has defended against basic cqc

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Haku handled an attack from Rock Lee and Gai easily

................Didn't even read OP, lmao.

i see that...-_-

 

[BlackFlame44]

Haku has the ability to freeze water period. Nothing says anything about chakra blah blah blah. When in fact he used Zabuza's Water (chakra infused) to make ice instantly. Haku>>>>>>>>>>>>All water anything!

Senbon's that can instantly kill? Now your just trolling as usual and wanking Akatsuki characters as usual.

Dude what feats does Haku have of freezing a mass amount of water? By that logic he could freeze an entire ocean and besides that water was just a puddle left over from zabuza's clones Hake hasn't shown the ability to make water frozen solid
He only used it as a base for his ice jutsu

 

[Draegod]

Dude what feats does Haku have of freezing a mass amount of water? By that logic he could freeze an entire ocean and besides that water was just a puddle left over from zabuza's clones Hake hasn't shown the ability to make water frozen solid
He only used it as a base for his ice jutsu

I really could care less what logic it has, Haku freezes water manga fact! Haku can literally make it so cold that snow forms from no where.

 

[BlackFlame44]

I really could care less what logic it has, Haku freezes water manga fact! Haku can literally make it so cold that snow forms from no where.

When has he shown this?

 

[HNIC]

When has he shown this?

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[Draegod]

When has he shown this?

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[paratise]

Haku gets shitstomped by kid Sasuke without sharingan who later get defeated by kid Lee with his weights; the kid Lee with weights is the pupil of Gai who is much superior to him. And Kisame kept up with Gai are you shitting me?

Kisame low diffs with pure taijutsu. He was able to send Gai in the deep of water with punch and said to have superhuman strength by Gai who can gauge holes through to rocks with punches; Haku ain't surviving such thing.

 

[Draegod]

Haku gets shitstomped by kid Sasuke without sharingan who later get defeated by kid Lee with his weights; the kid Lee with weights is the pupil of Gai who is much superior to him. And Kisame kept up with Gai are you shitting me?

Kisame low diffs with pure taijutsu. He was able to send Gai in the deep of water with punch and said to have superhuman strength by Gai who can gauge holes through to rocks with punches; Haku ain't surviving such thing.

ABC Logic at its finest! Sasuke gets raped if haku was serious. I didn't expect you to dip to low levels such as this. (Hate for a character makes you look bad. It's fictional...)

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I really could care less what logic it has, Haku freezes water manga fact! Haku can literally make it so cold that snow forms from no where.

Unless a futuristic Haku miraculously gains bijuu level chakra reserves, he ain't fucking with Kisame. His feat regarding freezing water isn't going to do shit. Especially when Samehada can just absorb the chakra being used to freeze ice. Furthermore, Kisame is far too durable for senbon to do any type of lethal damage; Swords and kunais barely penetrate his skin.

 

[paratise]

ABC Logic at its finest! Sasuke gets raped if haku was serious. I didn't expect you to dip to low levels such as this. (Hate for a character makes you look bad. It's fictional...)

I am not hating lol; and i was talking about outside of mirrors, how much more Haku can top what he did against Sasuke and compete with Kisame in cqc (outside of mirrors)?
But seriously, Haku stands little to no chances against Kisame in close quarters and tai, and i don't see Haku doing much better than he did against Sasuke for someone like Kisame.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

No not Haku, i know he doesnt need water. I meant Kisame. Without water, which route would he take?

But yes, i think we need hypothetical threads with them

Haku and Kimi were both only 15. Imagine them when if they they lived to be 26+ Like Kakashi, Zabuza, Guy etc. Imagine how strong they would have gotten

 

[Bieber]

i need proof of chakra needed to create ice or at least an explanation. It's like wood release i think. Chakra is used to mold the jutsu, but wood itself has no chakra in it. CQC isn't much of an issue since haku has defended against basic cqc
Haku handled an attack from Rock Lee and Gai easily

How else does Haku manage to create ice? It's done through his KKG and requires chakra to do so. That's not the same thing, you're saying Haku will turn Kisame's jutsu into ice. To do Haku is going to need to use chakra to make it freeze. The ice Haku needs to create to stop Daikōdan. This doesn't even need to go on any further because we already decided what if it can be absorbed.

Kisame took a hit from Gai like it was nothing. [

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] Kisame also shows that getting into CQC with him is dangerous. [

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] Even if his Suiton can be frozen, it won't be done instantly and can still be effective.

 

[HNIC]

wait do we know his chakra reserve or the amount consumed turning anything into ice? i think not

Samehada is restricted for those who cant read

 

[HNIC]

I am not hating lol; and i was talking about outside of mirrors, how much more Haku can top what he did against Sasuke and compete with Kisame in cqc (outside of mirrors)?
But seriously, Haku stands little to no chances against Kisame in close quarters and tai, and i don't see Haku doing much better than he did against Sasuke for someone like Kisame.

he has speed too have caught Kakashi off guard and the ability to guard and an attack from both Lee and Gai at the same time.Also, remember in blocking with one hand, Haku can perform jutsu with the other

 

[BlackFlame44]

Haku and Kimi were both only 15. Imagine them when if they they lived to be 26+ Like Kakashi, Zabuza, Guy etc. Imagine how strong they would have gotten

Depends on how hard he trains his jutsu

 

[HNIC]

How else does Haku manage to create ice? It's done through his KKG and requires chakra to do so. That's not the same thing, you're saying Haku will turn Kisame's jutsu into ice. To do Haku is going to need to use chakra to make it freeze. The ice Haku needs to create to stop Daikōdan. This doesn't even need to go on any further because we already decided what if it can be absorbed.

Kisame took a hit from Gai like it was nothing. [

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] Kisame also shows that getting into CQC with him is dangerous. [

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] Even if his Suiton can be frozen, it won't be done instantly and can still be effective.

hand seals to perform jutsu, yes. But for what we know, once the ice comes into existence there is no chakra within it. Shinobi don't use chakra for elements to come into existence. Wood release is an example of this.

those scans show no superior taijutsu, ive shown the same block performed by Haku

 

[Draegod]

Unless a futuristic Haku miraculously gains bijuu level chakra reserves, he ain't fucking with Kisame. His feat regarding freezing water isn't going to do shit. Especially when Samehada can just absorb the chakra being used to freeze ice. Furthermore, Kisame is far too durable for senbon to do any type of lethal damage; Swords and kunais barely penetrate his skin.

First off i stated Haku is out of his league. Second; Senbons are made for piercing, swords that bee had were not. Plus it's too different methods on how they are used to penetrate. And with a KKG it doesnt state he needs a shit load of chakra to enforce it. He made a large area alone freeze and made snow appear. That alone should tell you the range of his abilities. And again, who said sama' can adsorb KKG's?

I am not hating lol; and i was talking about outside of mirrors, how much more Haku can top what he did against Sasuke and compete with Kisame in cqc (outside of mirrors)?
But seriously, Haku stands little to no chances against Kisame in close quarters and tai, and i don't see Haku doing much better than he did against Sasuke for someone like Kisame.

Haku>>>That sasuke no diff. The entire time he wasnt even an once of being serious.. Ever! Like literally toyed with them the entire time. And I already stated Kisame Laughs and defeats him. haha