Chakra control is important because if you have poor chakra control then you'll use too much chakra as Naruto was doing and was trained to walk on water to fix this. Even Sasuke used too much stamina but his chakra control allowed him to use less than Naruto. All of Naruto's training had to do with chakra control. Walk on trees, walk on water, summoning jutsu, rasengan, trying to control Kurama's chakra with Jiraiya, learning to break genjutsus, learning rasenshuriken, learning SM, KM training, learning to use tbb.
Why do some people use chakra control as a argument?
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Madara Uzumaki Uchiha
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You think Naruto's control of chakra is only average??, why because he can't heal people?? kurama can not only make his chakra (that has been shown to be corrosive) heal people he can also heal aswell/better than tsunade. Doesn't that mean naruto and the kyubi have better or similar control than sakura/tsunade.
chakra control allows two thing:
ninja to be more economical with there chakra, it was stated that in part 1, that using the SAME amount of chakra sakura could do more than naruto because she had better control, chakra control
it also gives ninja more precision in there techiques, for example it should take more control to create a chakra string than it does to make a ball of fire.
Chakra control is a facet all good ninja should strive to master, chakra control alone doesnot allow tsunade to be a medic nin, lol they are like doctors it takes alot of special knowledge to be one.The reason that there arenot alot more medics is similar to why doctors arenot everywhere, its more than chakra control you also need to learn about anatomy,medicine and everything else doctors need to know.
Why would you think healing someone- which obviously takes precision ( probably molecular level) would take more control than say deideira's molecular sized bombs, or raikage's lightning armor ( the armor effects his nervous system)
The reason I don't give chakra control alot of special attention is because it takes more than control to be effective.
Tsunade uses chakra control + medical knowledge to heal
How are we supposed to know or why would you assume it takes better control to heal a human body than say make a perfect clone ( Mu, which is fission), make microscopic bombs, change your form (henge), or manipulate someone else s senses (genjustu)
The point being made is that the precision aspect that is given by good chakra control can be assumed to be applied to all types of techniques not just medical ninjustu. -there are quite a few medics in the manga by the way -kabuto,karin ( but she is special/kekei genkai) tsunade, sakura, Shi, ( healed the raikage) and Shizune are but a few, there are entire medical corps for crying out loud!-just like there are fuin (sealing corps)
chakra control allows two thing:
ninja to be more economical with there chakra, it was stated that in part 1, that using the SAME amount of chakra sakura could do more than naruto because she had better control, chakra control
it also gives ninja more precision in there techiques, for example it should take more control to create a chakra string than it does to make a ball of fire.
Chakra control is a facet all good ninja should strive to master, chakra control alone doesnot allow tsunade to be a medic nin, lol they are like doctors it takes alot of special knowledge to be one.The reason that there arenot alot more medics is similar to why doctors arenot everywhere, its more than chakra control you also need to learn about anatomy,medicine and everything else doctors need to know.
Why would you think healing someone- which obviously takes precision ( probably molecular level) would take more control than say deideira's molecular sized bombs, or raikage's lightning armor ( the armor effects his nervous system)
The reason I don't give chakra control alot of special attention is because it takes more than control to be effective.
Tsunade uses chakra control + medical knowledge to heal
How are we supposed to know or why would you assume it takes better control to heal a human body than say make a perfect clone ( Mu, which is fission), make microscopic bombs, change your form (henge), or manipulate someone else s senses (genjustu)
The point being made is that the precision aspect that is given by good chakra control can be assumed to be applied to all types of techniques not just medical ninjustu. -there are quite a few medics in the manga by the way -kabuto,karin ( but she is special/kekei genkai) tsunade, sakura, Shi, ( healed the raikage) and Shizune are but a few, there are entire medical corps for crying out loud!-just like there are fuin (sealing corps)
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KingHashirama
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Stop sourcing narutopedia for your logic and read the manga. If chakra control was as basic as you would lead it on to be there would be no division in prowess (bbz sakura) and others. Some people are classed at being at the pinacle of chakra control some are not.
Why it can be used as an arguement?
They can last longer in battle by being able to use the techniques without wasting chakra. In general just more skilled than others in this. Learning things faster than others (jutsu wise)
Naruto and sasuke dwarf her in chakra pool yet she ran up the tree first try back in part one and they couldnt. Yeah...chakra control is academy basics alright lel
Sakura is one of the best at it. The people in that category are few.
The amount of chakra it takes to do something doesn't mean you have good chakra control(raiton armour other large chakra consuming techs). It is the efficiency of execution.
Deal with it.
Why it can be used as an arguement?
They can last longer in battle by being able to use the techniques without wasting chakra. In general just more skilled than others in this. Learning things faster than others (jutsu wise)
Naruto and sasuke dwarf her in chakra pool yet she ran up the tree first try back in part one and they couldnt. Yeah...chakra control is academy basics alright lel
Sakura is one of the best at it. The people in that category are few.
The amount of chakra it takes to do something doesn't mean you have good chakra control(raiton armour other large chakra consuming techs). It is the efficiency of execution.
Deal with it.
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Madara Uzumaki Uchiha
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At Joshustu:
Good point, however the point I was trying to make is that if chakra control allows a user to be more precise I don't see why regeneration is considered to be the pinnacle. How is regeneration (manipulation of cells) being more precise than genjustu or other very precise techniques like gentle fist, cell sized bombs or other similar techniques. I don't see why tsunade is praised for having good chakra control allowing her to heal, and yet other characters do thing on similar levels of precision and arenot known for good chackra control....
The only reason I can think of is related to your last point, that chakra control doesnot affect precision it is simply being efficient.
If thats the case, then its even less special..... than allowing for precision...because all it allows you to do is more with less chakra. If thats the case, then naruto ( using enough chakra) should be able to do everything tsunade or sakura does ( unless you believe sakura has enough control to compensate for the difference in chakra capacities between her and naruto).
If we assume chakra control + chakra capacity =justu than someone with less control but more chakra can do the same thing as someone with more control, which doensot make any sense because that hasnot been shown in the manga.
Good point, however the point I was trying to make is that if chakra control allows a user to be more precise I don't see why regeneration is considered to be the pinnacle. How is regeneration (manipulation of cells) being more precise than genjustu or other very precise techniques like gentle fist, cell sized bombs or other similar techniques. I don't see why tsunade is praised for having good chakra control allowing her to heal, and yet other characters do thing on similar levels of precision and arenot known for good chackra control....
The only reason I can think of is related to your last point, that chakra control doesnot affect precision it is simply being efficient.
If thats the case, then its even less special..... than allowing for precision...because all it allows you to do is more with less chakra. If thats the case, then naruto ( using enough chakra) should be able to do everything tsunade or sakura does ( unless you believe sakura has enough control to compensate for the difference in chakra capacities between her and naruto).
If we assume chakra control + chakra capacity =justu than someone with less control but more chakra can do the same thing as someone with more control, which doensot make any sense because that hasnot been shown in the manga.
Regeneration is not at the pinacle of chakra control, being able to form the seal is.
Seal =/= medical ninjutsu.
Tsunade just chose to use it to aid her in medical ninjutsu (byakugou creation rebirth and remote healing) It's basically just a chakra container you can do with what you want.
Instant regeneration is considered to be the pinacle of medical ninjutsu not chakra control, i understand if you would mistake the two.
Efficiency of using jutsu and precision is pretty much the same thing, just two different words to address it. It chakra control wasn't special it would not be held in such high regard.
Someone with large chakra reserves cannot do everything someone who is great with chakra control can do. For example the same tree climbing excercise.
Another example, Naruto is more than capable of getting a byakugou seal if it was solely about chakra reserves, however he doesnt show the discipline to be able to focus his chakra in that one spot, in such a way required to form the seal. You have to do this while you eat, sleep, fight you name it until the seal forms.
Huge chakra pool only benefits in that it makes up for sucky chakra control and you wont have to worry about exhausting your chakra basically.
People with lesser chakra pools cannot compensate for it with good chakra control in a case of Sakura (good reserves) to naruto (monster reserves)
However that same good chakra control may allow them to do something that would seem to need alot of chakra to perform on the others part.
Example ninja with average chakra reserve + poor chakra control = not able to do something that may require decent chakra reserve.
ninja with average chakra reserves + good chakra control = would probably be able to pull it off.
ninja with huge chakra reserves + poor chakra control = can do it with wasted chakra but would not matter.
That's basically it.
@bold : It does make sense, If Naruto makes a shadow clone and uses III amount of chakra to perform it.
Sakura could execute the same thing but only use II amount of chakra.
In summary same jutsu less chakra used.
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Madara Uzumaki Uchiha
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Thanks for the clarification on chakra control vs medical ninjustu.
However, how can both of the following be true>>I guess its only true in certain sitaution like with tree climbing/forming the seal
1. Someone with large chakra reserves cannot do everything someone who is great with chakra control can do. For example the same tree climbing excercise.
2. ninja with huge chakra reserves + poor chakra control = can do it with wasted chakra but would not matter.
So from what I understood what your trying to say is that for the most you can use large reserves to compensate for bad control when it come to efficieny/stamina--but there are certain tasks that can only be done with good control like-tree walking, water walking etc... I wish there were more examples....
Also, I'v always wondered if when naruto makes a clone his chakra is split doesnot that mean that his control should be increased???
Here you used the word discipline: I imagine you could have also used chakra control?? and if so do you think naruto could make clones, which half his chakra and then get the seal??
Another example, Naruto is more than capable of getting a byakugou seal if it was solely about chakra reserves, however he doesnt show the discipline to be able to focus his chakra in that one spot, in such a way required to form the seal. You have to do this while you eat, sleep, fight you name it until the seal forms.
Conclusion
There are certian tecniques (water walking,tree hopping,seal formation) that require x level of control and cannot be supplemented by having more chakra, thats why its so important??
Question: would you rather have high chakra capacity or control?
However, how can both of the following be true>>I guess its only true in certain sitaution like with tree climbing/forming the seal
1. Someone with large chakra reserves cannot do everything someone who is great with chakra control can do. For example the same tree climbing excercise.
2. ninja with huge chakra reserves + poor chakra control = can do it with wasted chakra but would not matter.
So from what I understood what your trying to say is that for the most you can use large reserves to compensate for bad control when it come to efficieny/stamina--but there are certain tasks that can only be done with good control like-tree walking, water walking etc... I wish there were more examples....
Also, I'v always wondered if when naruto makes a clone his chakra is split doesnot that mean that his control should be increased???
Here you used the word discipline: I imagine you could have also used chakra control?? and if so do you think naruto could make clones, which half his chakra and then get the seal??
Another example, Naruto is more than capable of getting a byakugou seal if it was solely about chakra reserves, however he doesnt show the discipline to be able to focus his chakra in that one spot, in such a way required to form the seal. You have to do this while you eat, sleep, fight you name it until the seal forms.
Conclusion
There are certian tecniques (water walking,tree hopping,seal formation) that require x level of control and cannot be supplemented by having more chakra, thats why its so important??
Question: would you rather have high chakra capacity or control?
Yay you understand my stand point. No problems with what you said this point. I like how you set your responses out
I personally would take the large reserves tbh because i would be able to develop their chakra control to a good enough level, even though it would probably not touch someone who is naturally gifted with it.
Drakengard
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Chakra control isn't only about conserving chakra, it can be used for a variety of things. Getting small bursts of speed for example:
Remember the Sasuke vs. Haku fight?
It's part 1 but it obviously has some importance. It's not THE greatest thing out there but...
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Avinash012
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See what Minato a normal shinobi with avg chakra pool did during Kyuubi's attack on Konoha ...then u'll learn the importence of Chakra control