1. I said Minato is a superior sensor. It was a general statement in regards to his ability to sense enemies and chakra in comparison to your average ninja. No one ninja was specified.
2. I assume you thought I was making that statement against the character on your avi and sig.
3. To answer your question:
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With one finger, he surveyed the battlefield and sensed not only 20 enemies, but he could tell they were kage bushin. Hyuga typically have to use their Byakugan in order to deduce something like that. I'm not under the impression that your average ninja could do that. I'd also like to note that he was aware of an enemy presence before he did this.
But in case you want to take it there:
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Your boy needed an extra finger to detect the same number of enemies. Not saying one is a better sensor than the other based off just this, but just saying in comparison to another great sensor, Minato's has shown skill.
Aside from that, he's shown to be able to sense chakra at a considerable distance.
Does that answer your question? Oh and next time you want to call me out don't do so with a blind post. Just go ahead and quote me the first time.
1. I did respond to you. You responded to my response.....
2. There is no real difference in tracking and sensing as sensing is apart of tracking. You can't track something you aren't aware of. To sense them is to be aware of their presence. To track them is to be aware of their presence and know their location. In fact, nothing suggests that Minato or Tobirama knew their enemies exact location, they were just aware of their presence. That is sensing. Not tracking.
3. Tobirama only sensed Madara because of the conversation that took place. He didn't sense him on his own.
Whereas Naruto nor the Kyuubi were mentioned.
Your argument about the kyuubi being inside of him is a common misconception throughout the base.
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Clearly Minato was not aware the kyuubi was even in there. Otherwise he wouldn't have been surprised when he spoke up. So when he sense the kyuubi and Naruto, he do through his own sensing. Not because of any connection he had to them.
Saying Minato is not a superior sensor is like saying Tobirama isn't. They both have the same sensing feats. Both are superior sensors when compared to your average ninja, which is what my original post said. I'm really not interested in your Minato hate dude. Take that back to whoever told you to come to this thread
**Edit** Dude are you trolling????!!!! He did not sense a change in Uchiha. He's explaining to Sasuke about Uchihas. How do you know that research wasn't done on Uchiha's and he's just reciting research results? You are trying to give Tobirama a feat that the manga doesn't give him
1. I did respond to you. You responded to my response.....
2. There is no real difference in tracking is apart of sensing. You can't track something you aren't aware of. To sense them is to be aware of their presence. To track them is to be aware of their presence and know their location. In fact, nothing suggests that Minato or Tobirama knew their enemies exact location, they were just aware of their presence. That is sensing. Not tracking.
3. Tobirama only sensed Madara because of the conversation that took place. He didn't sense him on his own.
Whereas Naruto nor the Kyuubi were mentioned.
Your argument about the kyuubi being inside of him is a common misconception throughout the base.
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Clearly Minato was not aware the kyuubi was even in there. Otherwise he wouldn't have been surprised when he spoke up. So when he sense the kyuubi and Naruto, he do through his own sensing. Not because of any connection he had to them.
Nice response. :|
Huge difference between tracking and sensing. Sensory is instant, and tracking takes a while longer. Tracking means you have tracked them to that location but once they move, you don't know where they are. Sensory you have dibs on them the whole time.
He still sensed him. From countries away. The only reason he did not sense him in the first place is because of the speech about Uchiha and Orochimaru talking to Tobirama bout edo tensei.
Minato was not aware the Kyuubi was in him, yet to get KCM Minato needs to fight the Kyuubi? :|
Thanks. It would've been different had I known you were trying to call me out.
Huge difference between tracking and sensing. Sensory is instant, and tracking takes a while longer. Tracking means you have tracked them to that location but once they move, you don't know where they are. Sensory you have dibs on them the whole time.
Sensing is not always instant, and tracking does not always take awhile longer. It depends on how fast you can pinpoint the person's location, just like sensing depends on how fast you can become aware of someone's presence. Think of a hide-and-seek game for example. If I'm looking for you and find you by say, opening a door to a random room, I tracked you down before I was even aware you were in that room or not. But if I'm looking for you you and I can say, smell your scent and start looking in the general area of it, I've then sensed you before I could track your location. Also, if you end up escaping the general area before I can find you and I lose your scent, I would have to try and sense you all over again, so no, you don't automatically keep dibs on someone the whole time when you sense them once. You can lose track and sense of someone. In the pages I posted earlier, Minato nor Tobirama knew of their enemies location, they just became aware they were in the area, that is sensing. Not tracking.
He still sensed him. From countries away. The only reason he did not sense him in the first place is because of the speech about Uchiha and Orochimaru talking to Tobirama bout edo tensei.
The only reason he thought to try and sense Madara is because he was fact checking Oro's talk about Madara being alive and starting a war. Had it not been for that conversation, you wouldn't have this sensing feat to use in the first place. His thought to sense Madara was a result of Oro bringing Madara up. You made an excuse for Minato's sensing feat (which was incorrect) so don't be upset when it comes back to bite you
Minato was not aware the Kyuubi was in him, yet to get KCM Minato needs to fight the Kyuubi? :|
I provided a page clearly showing Minato was not aware the kyuubi was inside of him. Unless you have a page that can show that he was prior to that one, you are arguing against manga facts. It might sound crazy to you, but manga says he wasn't aware. As far as him using KCM, that is just a matter of using Kurama's chakra, which he sealed inside of him with RDS. Notice he didn't use BM until after the Kyuubi made himself known, which we know requires an actual bond between the kyuubi and the jin. If Minato had known the entire time the kyuubi was inside of him, he would've used BM from the start silly.
And just in case you missed my edit of my last post, that page where you claimed Tobirama was sensing a change in Uchiha is false. Tobirama was explaining to Sasuke how the Sharingan works. You have no proof that he came across that knowledge by sensing a Uchiha. It could've and was most likely discovered via research on Uchiha's during the countless senju/uchiha fights. They probably did research on a dead uchiha. After all there's a reason why you are supposed to destroy a ninja's body once he dies.
Thanks. It would've been different had I known you were trying to call me out.
Sensing is not always instant, and tracking does not always take awhile longer. It depends on how fast you can pinpoint the person's location, just like sensing depends on how fast you can become aware of someone's presence. Think of a hide-and-seek game for example. If I'm looking for you and find you by say, opening a door to a random room, I tracked you down before I was even aware you were in that room or not. But if I'm looking for you you and I can say, smell your scent and start looking in the general area of it, I've then sensed you before I could track your location. Also, if you end up escaping the general area before I can find you and I lose your scent, I would have to try and sense you all over again, so no, you don't automatically keep dibs on someone the whole time when you sense them once. You can lose track and sense of someone. In the pages I posted earlier, Minato nor Tobirama knew of their enemies location, they just became aware they were in the area, that is sensing. Not tracking.
The only reason he thought to try and sense Madara is because he was fact checking Oro's talk about Madara being alive and starting a war. Had it not been for that conversation, you wouldn't have this sensing feat to use in the first place. His thought to sense Madara was a result of Oro bringing Madara up. You made an excuse for Minato's sensing feat (which was incorrect) so don't be upset when it comes back to bite you
I provided a page clearly showing Minato was not aware the kyuubi was inside of him. Unless you have a page that can show that he was prior to that one, you are arguing against manga facts. It might sound crazy to you, but manga says he wasn't aware. As far as him using KCM, that is just a matter of using Kurama's chakra, which he sealed inside of him with RDS. Notice he didn't use BM until after the Kyuubi made himself known, which we know requires an actual bond between the kyuubi and the jin. If Minato had known the entire time the kyuubi was inside of him, he would've used BM from the start silly
Instant was a bad example on my part. Sensing is when you get a fixed location on something and can constantly feel their presence. Tracking was explained pretty well. It was tracking as he put his hand to the ground to track his opponent from the ground. Sensing does not require that to sense. Show me a scan of another sensor putting their hand to the ground. Please.
It is still a feat no matter how you look at it. To sense, one must actually be kneading their chakra. I will find the scan later, but Tobirama was obviously focused on Orochimaru and Sasuke. Tobirama still sensed Madara from countries away, so moot point.
That is weird then. It is obvious he knew about the Kyuubi inside of him if he activated KCM but let us say he did not know about the Kyuubi in him. He could feel the chakra in him, and that chakra corresponds to Naruto's since they are similar, so it would be as if he felt his own presence.
Thanks. It would've been different had I known you were trying to call me out.
Sensing is not always instant, and tracking does not always take awhile longer. It depends on how fast you can pinpoint the person's location, just like sensing depends on how fast you can become aware of someone's presence. Think of a hide-and-seek game for example. If I'm looking for you and find you by say, opening a door to a random room, I tracked you down before I was even aware you were in that room or not. But if I'm looking for you you and I can say, smell your scent and start looking in the general area of it, I've then sensed you before I could track your location. Also, if you end up escaping the general area before I can find you and I lose your scent, I would have to try and sense you all over again, so no, you don't automatically keep dibs on someone the whole time when you sense them once. You can lose track and sense of someone. In the pages I posted earlier, Minato nor Tobirama knew of their enemies location, they just became aware they were in the area, that is sensing. Not tracking.
The only reason he thought to try and sense Madara is because he was fact checking Oro's talk about Madara being alive and starting a war. Had it not been for that conversation, you wouldn't have this sensing feat to use in the first place. His thought to sense Madara was a result of Oro bringing Madara up. You made an excuse for Minato's sensing feat (which was incorrect) so don't be upset when it comes back to bite you
I provided a page clearly showing Minato was not aware the kyuubi was inside of him. Unless you have a page that can show that he was prior to that one, you are arguing against manga facts. It might sound crazy to you, but manga says he wasn't aware. As far as him using KCM, that is just a matter of using Kurama's chakra, which he sealed inside of him with RDS. Notice he didn't use BM until after the Kyuubi made himself known, which we know requires an actual bond between the kyuubi and the jin. If Minato had known the entire time the kyuubi was inside of him, he would've used BM from the start silly.
And just in case you missed my edit of my last post, that page where you claimed Tobirama was sensing a change in Uchiha is false. Tobirama was explaining to Sasuke how the Sharingan works. You have no proof that he came across that knowledge by sensing a Uchiha. It could've and was most likely discovered via research on Uchiha's during the countless senju/uchiha fights. They probably did research on a dead uchiha. After all there's a reason why you are supposed to destroy a ninja's body once he dies.
Ok, this response is nice and all that. But there is no way Minato was unaware that Kyuubi was inside him, I mean he did use KCM and you have to fight Kyuubi to get it, plus he's the one whole sealed the Kyuubi inside himself, so except he doesn't know how his own sealing technique works, then there's no way he could have been ignorant to the fact that Kyuubi was inside him.
Plus he could have been shocked that the Kyuubi wanted to have a conversation with him or join the fight?
Instant was a bad example on my part. Sensing is when you get a fixed location on something and can constantly feel their presence. Tracking was explained pretty well. It was tracking as he put his hand to the ground to track his opponent from the ground. Sensing does not require that to sense. Show me a scan of another sensor putting their hand to the ground. Please.
You just made my point. They were not aware of location. They were just aware of presence. Have you ever heard of a SENSE OF TOUCH?? What do you think sensing is? You use your SENSES. They felt the ground because they used their SENSE of touch to SENSE the enemy. An exceptional sensing ability that your average ninja can not perform. /argument
It is still a feat no matter how you look at it. To sense, one must actually be kneading their chakra. I will find the scan later, but Tobirama was obviously focused on Orochimaru and Sasuke. Tobirama still sensed Madara from countries away, so moot point.
I say the same thing to you about Minato's feat of sensing Kyuubi and Naruto. /argument
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Clearly Tobirama thought to sense Madara because Oro brought Madara up during the previous page. /argument
That is weird then. It is obvious he knew about the Kyuubi inside of him if he activated KCM but let us say he did not know about the Kyuubi in him. He could feel the chakra in him, and that chakra corresponds to Naruto's since they are similar, so it would be as if he felt his own presence.
Again, to use KCM means to use the Kyuubi's chakra. It has nothing to do with whether or not the bijuu is actually inside of you or even if the kyuubi wants you to use the chakra. Clearly the RDS gave him a shortcut to getting KCM and using the chakra he sealed inside of himself. It's no different than the Kin and Jin bros not having the kyuubi inside of them yet being able to use it's chakra. You don't need the kyuubi for that. But again, why use KCM if you have BM? He didn't use BM until after the black kurama revealed himself, and Minato was clearly surprised an did not know he was there.
And that chakra corresponds to the kyuubi's. Naruto's chakra is still separate and distinct. They may have molded over the years but they aren't completely one. He was able to sense them both from a great distance and tell the difference between the two. Tobirama had years of fights and time to familiarize himself with Madara's chakra. Minato didn't even know Naruto for a day. If you are going to discredit Minato's feat for something like that, be consistent and do the same for Tobirama. If you count one you must count the other. Remember? "It's still a feat no matter how you look at it" /argument
Ok, this response is nice and all that. But there is no way Minato was unaware that Kyuubi was inside him, I mean he did use KCM and you have to fight Kyuubi to get it, plus he's the one whole sealed the Kyuubi inside himself, so except he doesn't know how his own sealing technique works, then there's no way he could have been ignorant to the fact that Kyuubi was inside him.
Plus he could have been shocked that the Kyuubi wanted to have a conversation with him or join the fight?
Again, I provided a page proving he wasn't aware. He wasn't just shocked the kyuubi wanted to talk, he was shocked that there was even "a shadow" inside of him that he could feel. He didn't say "oh it's the kyuubi".. in a shocked expression, he said "...this shadow...is!?. He wasn't aware the kyuubi was there.
And you only know of one way to get KCM. Tell me, since he's been dead the entire time, when did he fight the kyuubi? Exactly. RDS gave him a shortcut to using the chakra he sealed inside of himself. He didn't fight the kyuubi yet he still had KCM, so clearly you don't need to fight the kyuubi to use it. Like I asked the other guy, why would he not use BM in the first place if he had been aware the kyuubi was there this entire time? If he really did fight and tame the kyuubi, why would he be shocked that the kyuubi wanted to speak to him? You have to befriend the kyuubi to use BM. So why would talking to a known friend shock him?
And dude it's RDS? How the heck is he supposed to know how RDS works during death? Clearly he's only ever used it once in life? What you think he can just use it, die, and come back whenever he wants and be like "oh that's how it works!"
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You can also see Minato's "thought text" on this page where he says "another one...." while the kyuubi is talking to him. Why would he be thinking that if he already knew the kyuubi was there?
Again, I provided a page proving he wasn't aware. He wasn't just shocked the kyuubi wanted to talk, he was shocked that there was even "a shadow" inside of him that he could feel. He didn't say "oh it's the kyuubi".. in a shocked expression, he said "...this shadow...is!?. He wasn't aware the kyuubi was there.
And you only know of one way to get KCM. Tell me, since he's been dead the entire time, when did he fight the kyuubi? Exactly. RDS gave him a shortcut to using the chakra he sealed inside of himself. He didn't fight the kyuubi yet he still had KCM, so clearly you don't need to fight the kyuubi to use it. Like I asked the other guy, why would he not use BM in the first place if he had been aware the kyuubi was there this entire time? If he really did fight and tame the kyuubi, why would he be shocked that the kyuubi wanted to speak to him? You have to befriend the kyuubi to use BM. So why would talking to a known friend shock him?
And dude it's RDS? How the heck is he supposed to know how RDS works during death? Clearly he's only ever used it once in life? What you think he can just use it, die, and come back whenever he wants and be like "oh that's how it works!"
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You can also see Minato's "thought text" on this page where he says "another one...." while the kyuubi is talking to him. Why would he be thinking that if he already knew the kyuubi was there?
