Kishi Obviously Not Being Obvious - A Question About the Uchiha Power Lineage

[Tebows Youth Group]

So I want to bring up something I have been wondering about. I certainly have my own theories and ideas on the matter but I'm curious to hear others. If you would like to share please do.​

Kishi has made it blatantly clear where Hashirama's Senju Wood style techniques originate.

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Their Wood techniques even take on similar forms

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Not to mention they do the same thing

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Wood technique used by Juubi

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And lets not forget the giant wooden structure Gedo Mazo

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I think its safe to say Hashirama's powers come from the Juubi, starting from Hashirama and going backwards, the lineage should look like this.


Hashirama--who got his powers from--The Younger Son--who got his powers from--The Sage of Six Paths--who got his powers from--the Fruit and sealing the Juubi inside of him.

But then we look at the Uchiha and their powers, and the line has not been drawn so cleary.

We have seen numerous instances of the Juubi being connected with the Senju but never the Uchiha. The only similarity between the two seems be the tomoe in their eyes.​

In fact, the Juubi struggled with Sasuke's Amaterasu having to shed his skin in order to avoid being burned down.

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If the Uchiha's techniques originate from the Juubi should it not be able to handle a technique that essentially comes from him? Enton Release anybody?

Where is the Juubi's ocular prowess? Where are his Uchiha techniques? Kishi has obviously put forth the effort to connect the Juubi to Wood style and at the same time has put effort avoiding the Uchiha's power origins.

So if we trace the Uchiha (and Ill just start with Madara)




Madara Uchiha--who got his powers from--the Elder Son--who got his powers from--The Sage of Six Paths--who got his powers from--???The Fruit and Sealing the Juubi???

So I guess my question to you is...Where do the Uchiha get their visual prowess from? Where do they get their mastery of illusions and special chakra and if it is the Juubi, why have we not seen it reflect these abilities?

One thing I will point out is notice where the Sage "got his powers from" and you'll see that there are two possible sources. Could that explain the discrepancy?​

 

[Xlad]

Probably from the Fruit or that Tomoe Bud as you explained in the Itachi's Perception on Reality theory.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Probably from the Fruit or that Tomoe Bud as you explained in the Itachi's Perception on Reality theory.

Hehehe Lol.

Yes, that is certainly where I believe them to have come from, but I'm wondering if anyone is buying that they still originate from the Juubi as we see it now.

 

[-immortal-]

why is this so hard.
No need for all this Sir

simple

sage > Son > madara father > madara > etc

 

[Xēnovia.]

It's just another inconsistencies in his manga. I would say he badly try to fit the pieces together by putting different regions into his manga for his characters powers and where they came from.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

why is this so hard.
No need for all this Sir

simple

sage > Son > madara father > madara > etc

Okay, but I think you are kind of making my point. The Uchiha's powers can't possibly just start at the Sage. They either had to start at the Fruit or the Juubi, it can't just be the Sage. Most people would say the Juubi and if that's the case I simply ask "why have we not seen him use any Uchiha techniques?" It isn't so simple.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Probably because the Juubi is lacking two Bijuu and isn't in its final form ( The God Tree is not the final form ).

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Probably because the Juubi is lacking two Bijuu and isn't in its final form ( The God Tree is not the final form ).

To your first point, I don't think not having 2 of the Bijuu's should prevent him from using what essentially should be the second "half" of his powers. He boasts Senju powers nicely without the 2 so I don't believe there is any reason he should not be using Uchiha techniques as well. One argument I think you could make is the Kuruma is the base for Uchiha techs seeing as how he seems to be more linked to their eyes, but again, the Juubi not having his full power should only mean he can't use his ocular powers to their full extent, not that he cant use them at all.

To your second point. This is interesting and certainly possible. I guess we just may not have seen the form that it is able to use its eyes in. Perhaps when the tree blooms. I still maintain that it is a separate entity entirely that they get their powers from, but your idea is certainly plausible.

 

[Ahmed1993]

To your first point, I don't think not having 2 of the Bijuu's should prevent him from using what essentially should be the second "half" of his powers. He boasts Senju powers nicely without the 2 so I don't believe there is any reason he should not be using Uchiha techniques as well. One argument I think you could make is the Kuruma is the base for Uchiha techs seeing as how he seems to be more linked to their eyes, but again, the Juubi not having his full power should only mean he can't use his ocular powers to their full extent, not that he cant use them at all.

To your second point. This is interesting and certainly possible. I guess we just may not have seen the form that it is able to use its eyes in. Perhaps when the tree blooms. I still maintain that it is a separate entity entirely that they get their powers from, but your idea is certainly plausible.

I mean if it uses them at its current level , they will probably be on the same level as EMS Sasuke and Rinnegan Madara etc...
And that would be lame for a supposed God and redundant ( because we saw a lot of Uchiha sh*t thought the series )

So probably Kishi is saving it for the latter when the Juubi became more close to being perfect by absorbing the Hachibi.
And in that form , its ocular power would be on a Godly level.

 

[VongolaX]

the fruit made the genjustu tsukyomi

Most of the visual prowess feat started from the sage

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

I would say that the juubi/god tree gave birth to mokuton the physical world and perhaps the fruit/mind gave birth to the mental/spiritual aspects of the world.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

It's a good question and obviously linked to why Obito can't use Kamui in Rikudobito form. It's a pronounced limitation that likely is part of the formula for how the Juubi was defeated by the So6P. Gaining control of the Juubi unlocked no additional dōjutsu benefits, rather it limited it. This is strange since the ultimate dōjutsu tech is derived from the Juubi, but that leads further to discussions of how IT would be known by the So6P and why he would convey this to one lineage.

If we suppose that Madara is 100% correct then it could be explained that it was attributed to Kaguya's eating the fruit, however, I prescribe to the idea that Madara is one in a chain of those being manipulated and extend that to doubting the legitimacy of the Uchiha tablet message. Which I think is the true subtext of your post?

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

It's a good question and obviously linked to why Obito can't use Kamui in Rikudobito form. It's a pronounced limitation that likely is part of the formula for how the Juubi was defeated by the So6P. Gaining control of the Juubi unlocked no additional dōjutsu benefits, rather it limited it. This is strange since the ultimate dōjutsu tech is derived from the Juubi, but that leads further to discussions of how IT would be known by the So6P and why he would convey this to one lineage.

If we suppose that Madara is 100% correct then it could be explained that it was attributed to Kaguya's eating the fruit, however, I prescribe to the idea that Madara is one in a chain of those being manipulated and extend that to doubting the legitimacy of the Uchiha tablet message. Which I think is the true subtext of your post?

Exactly, as soon as Obito absorbed the Juubi it seemed that all his Dojutsu took a back seat, even verbally admitting his inability to use Kamui. Not to mention just minutes (what I assume to be minutes) prior to absorbing the Juubi he was in the Kamui dimension using genjutsu on Kakashi then suddenly, nothing.

And yes, its like you said, Madara doesn't know the complete truth, even if he thinks he does. Now its hard to tell whether his source of information is incorrect or he is being directly deceived, but one thing that is obvious is that something is amiss with his telling of Kaguya's story. When its all said and done I think we will find that the "cursed clan" (something we have heard numerous times from varying characters) will in fact be just that...cursed. I think the origin of their powers (and I include that tablet in this because "knowledge is power") and its revelation will turn out to be the climax of this story. Sasuke still needs a reason to turn against Naruto. The seeds have are certainly laid "ill be the one to tear away the past" but it would feel forced at the moment. Learning of his clans origins could be the push he needs.