Fire Ball Jutsu> Rasenshurkin
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Well my reply was in case Naruto is indeed capable to react to the attack fast enough to counter it with a FRS. It's in this case that a comparable if not stronger FRS would overcome Kirin. Now asking if he can indeed react to it is another question and since i don't think he can react, then you're right. His only chance would probably be throwing the attack before Sasuke taming it and redirecting it on him because after that moment and it would already be too lateSmd said:
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watch this video[video=youtube;YR_X-wDnJok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_X-wDnJok[/video] even temari easy count this jutsu with her wind jutsu
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Kirin takes a lot more preparation time than Rasenshuriken.:|
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Hospital:
"Naruto would have killed Sasuke"
Fans:
"OHHHHHHH! Naruto > Sasuke"
Final Valley under other water fall
rasengan vs chidori
Fans: "Tie, naruto going to win next time."
Final Valley Madara and Hashirama water fall
black chidori vs purple rasengan....Naruto gets hit
Fans: "NOOOOOO! WTF!? RAGE QUIT!"
Bridge:
Chidori vs Rasengan
tie
Fans: "They tie....I thought rasengan...wtf -_-"!?"
Today:
Wind > Lightning, manga fact lol. I'm not trying to start nothing but my opinion is there and all opinions are judged but that...lol. Idk.
"Naruto would have killed Sasuke"
Fans:
"OHHHHHHH! Naruto > Sasuke"
Final Valley under other water fall
rasengan vs chidori
Fans: "Tie, naruto going to win next time."
Final Valley Madara and Hashirama water fall
black chidori vs purple rasengan....Naruto gets hit
Fans: "NOOOOOO! WTF!? RAGE QUIT!"
Bridge:
Chidori vs Rasengan
tie
Fans: "They tie....I thought rasengan...wtf -_-"!?"
Today:
Wind > Lightning, manga fact lol. I'm not trying to start nothing but my opinion is there and all opinions are judged but that...lol. Idk.
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im not amused see this from user with uchihas on sig and ava.
Kirin is not chakra so doesn't apply to that but RS is a cutting jutsu which also rotates. 2 things could happen, RS cuts Kirin in halve or both jutsus hitting would cause them to create an explosion.
And to say Fire>wind means you're saying Water>Amaterasu? Same logic after all. And it's Lightning<Wind. This applies to same level of jutsus but can also cause both jutsus to cancel out. A Strong wind can blow out a flame while a low wind can build up a flame. It's not only about power tho, it's also how you use the jutsu as well
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It's the preparation that takes more time. Reason why i said Naruto could throw kirin the time it takes Sasuke to tame and redirect it because after it, it's over. The attack speed of Kirin itself is faster than FRS by far. Infact it's not even comparable.SanjiNL said:
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Lol guys she's trolling... Obvious bait thread is obvious...
Rasengan is not elemental
Fuuton: Rasengan is wind
Fuuton: Rasenshuriken is wind
Odama Rasengan is not elemental
Rasengan Barrage is not elemental
Now stop being a troll.
Rasengan is not elemental
Fuuton: Rasengan is wind
Fuuton: Rasenshuriken is wind
Odama Rasengan is not elemental
Rasengan Barrage is not elemental
Now stop being a troll.
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and what you fail to realise naruto wasnt trying to kill sasuke at final valley he was proving about point that sasuke should be a arrogant prick when he said "you cant even scratch my headband" hence the scratch and dude bridge fight really????
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Lol, NB logic...I shouldn't repeat it, you should know already.
My avatar has nothing to do with this thread or any other thread. Its just an avatar of my liking, my minato avtar and signature crashed :/
Why didn't you respond to my post though? Lol.
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When does clashing with someone has to do with anything? They can't even move when they are clashing so that's flawed at its finest.
Yes...really that fight, and Naruto would have killed Sasuke if he didn't stop him with chidori jab, he didn't even scratch it the chakra cloak only grazed it.
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nah dude the finger nail scratched it dont know how him got them long nails but was the nail that scratched the head band
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You do know Naruto is in SM or KM/BM when he uses RS right? SM would sense Karin before it's used and Naruto would react accordingly. He'll see the lighting forming and do what he did with the 3rd Raikage and fire his RS in time so they clash or dodge it. KM/BM shows to have the reaction speed to evade or counter. Naruto can use in base but usually uses in one of his modes which also power up the RS.
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No it's not, the rasengan is solely based on the control of the users chakra, and molding it into a sphere, it was based on the creation similar to the tailed beast bomb, which allows the chakra to maintain a circulatory motion, however it can he used by the casters nature effinities, naruto was the first to add his wind affinity to the jutsu, thus his FRS, it's says on the wiki itself, if ur actually reading it right, the rasengan as whole has no sorts of relevency with elemnatal nature, it's only moulded chakra, circulating around the users palm, simaltanously.
The whole point behind this thread is that you said that Kirin is better than the Rasenshuriken on a previous thread.
In some aspects, it probably is. For instance, Kirin harnesses atmospheric energy to create an artificial lightning bolt, and therefore, is probably one of the most powerful attacks in the series. The Rasengan on the other hand is an artificially created Tailed Beast Bomb, and is also probably one of the most powerful attacks in the series. Many people like to throw in real world science at this point to support their argument that Kirin is more powerful, but since the laws of physics don't apply in the same manner in the Narutoverse, I cannot make such a determination. Instead, I will just assume that Kirin and the larger variations of the Rasengan have similar power levels.
That being said, the only real difference is their implementation in combat. With that, the Rasengan (and its variants) beat out Kirin. Kirin takes a long time to set up, and seems to be a one-time use attack. The Rasengan can be formed almost instantly, and can be used repeatedly. Therefore, the Rasengan clearly has an advantage. The only possible exception to this is if there is a storm already overhead, and even then, Kirin will likely exhaust the available energy in one or two attacks.
Assuming that Kirin and the Rasenshuriken are used simultaneously, with identical power levels, Kirin would likely be more effective. The main reason for this is that while Kirin, and even most variations of the Rasengan, are extremely focused attacks, the Rasenshuriken dissipates its attack energy over a wider area. This means that Kirin would probably have more power on impact than the Rasenshuriken. This advantage is only increased when taking the speed of the techniques into account. Regardless of the speed or reaction time of the users, it is fairly obvious that Kirin is faster than the Rasenshuriken.
That being said, a regular Rasengan, on the other hand, could be used to counteract Kirin. Kakashi is known for being able to split lightning bolts with the basic Chidori. This is the same Chidori that Sasuke learned during the Chunin Exams; the same Chidori that Kakashi created to replace the Rasengan in his arsenal after failing to combine it with Lighting; and the same Chidori that was clearly not as powerful as the Rasengan during Sasuke and Naruto's little scuffle on the roof. This indicates that with the right amount of chakra and implementation, the Rasengan could likely be used against a lightning bolt, or a lightning bolt-like attack like Kirin. If Naruto focused the same amount of energy as a Rasenshuriken into a basic Rasengan, he could probably counteract pretty much any technique.
Back on topic, you clearly don't believe that a basic fire attack like the Fire Ball Jutsu is more powerful than any form of the Rasengan. The bottom line is that in most cases it isn't. However, with the right amount of power, even a fairly basic attack like the Fire Ball Jutsu could be used effectively against a relatively powerful attack like the Rasenshuriken. For instance, I'm fairly certain that any fire attack used by Madara could probably crush any form of Rasengan that Konohamaru could come up with. I even think that Naruto, with a Rasenshuriken, would likely struggle against a fire-based attack from Madara.
In some aspects, it probably is. For instance, Kirin harnesses atmospheric energy to create an artificial lightning bolt, and therefore, is probably one of the most powerful attacks in the series. The Rasengan on the other hand is an artificially created Tailed Beast Bomb, and is also probably one of the most powerful attacks in the series. Many people like to throw in real world science at this point to support their argument that Kirin is more powerful, but since the laws of physics don't apply in the same manner in the Narutoverse, I cannot make such a determination. Instead, I will just assume that Kirin and the larger variations of the Rasengan have similar power levels.
That being said, the only real difference is their implementation in combat. With that, the Rasengan (and its variants) beat out Kirin. Kirin takes a long time to set up, and seems to be a one-time use attack. The Rasengan can be formed almost instantly, and can be used repeatedly. Therefore, the Rasengan clearly has an advantage. The only possible exception to this is if there is a storm already overhead, and even then, Kirin will likely exhaust the available energy in one or two attacks.
Assuming that Kirin and the Rasenshuriken are used simultaneously, with identical power levels, Kirin would likely be more effective. The main reason for this is that while Kirin, and even most variations of the Rasengan, are extremely focused attacks, the Rasenshuriken dissipates its attack energy over a wider area. This means that Kirin would probably have more power on impact than the Rasenshuriken. This advantage is only increased when taking the speed of the techniques into account. Regardless of the speed or reaction time of the users, it is fairly obvious that Kirin is faster than the Rasenshuriken.
That being said, a regular Rasengan, on the other hand, could be used to counteract Kirin. Kakashi is known for being able to split lightning bolts with the basic Chidori. This is the same Chidori that Sasuke learned during the Chunin Exams; the same Chidori that Kakashi created to replace the Rasengan in his arsenal after failing to combine it with Lighting; and the same Chidori that was clearly not as powerful as the Rasengan during Sasuke and Naruto's little scuffle on the roof. This indicates that with the right amount of chakra and implementation, the Rasengan could likely be used against a lightning bolt, or a lightning bolt-like attack like Kirin. If Naruto focused the same amount of energy as a Rasenshuriken into a basic Rasengan, he could probably counteract pretty much any technique.
Back on topic, you clearly don't believe that a basic fire attack like the Fire Ball Jutsu is more powerful than any form of the Rasengan. The bottom line is that in most cases it isn't. However, with the right amount of power, even a fairly basic attack like the Fire Ball Jutsu could be used effectively against a relatively powerful attack like the Rasenshuriken. For instance, I'm fairly certain that any fire attack used by Madara could probably crush any form of Rasengan that Konohamaru could come up with. I even think that Naruto, with a Rasenshuriken, would likely struggle against a fire-based attack from Madara.
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I agree that on an elemental basis, Fire > wind
But a little fire can be blown off by huge amount of wind. Huge amount of wind can take away fire with its flow.
Also your statement fireball jutsu > any rasengan variation is partially wrong.
Naruto's got wind element and hence he created the rasengan variation, "Rasen-Shuriken"
But if any other element is used instead of wind in the rasengan variation, the statement holds no importance.
Konohamaru can use rasengan but he got the chance to add fire-element to the rasengan. Here, you cannot say fireball jutsu > any rasengan variation
Also we have seen how water element can be added to the little wind added Rasenshuriken.
But a little fire can be blown off by huge amount of wind. Huge amount of wind can take away fire with its flow.
Also your statement fireball jutsu > any rasengan variation is partially wrong.
Naruto's got wind element and hence he created the rasengan variation, "Rasen-Shuriken"
But if any other element is used instead of wind in the rasengan variation, the statement holds no importance.
Konohamaru can use rasengan but he got the chance to add fire-element to the rasengan. Here, you cannot say fireball jutsu > any rasengan variation
Also we have seen how water element can be added to the little wind added Rasenshuriken.
