3 tomoe itachi vs tsunade

[Shura]

I don't need to explain anything, it's plain obvious. And besides, it's my opinion, you don't need to agree with me.

Tsunade stomps Itachi is a fanboy opinion and you called me a fanboy? You even said that it's plain obvious? Ridiculous.​

 

[miromiro]

Tsunade stomps Itachi is a fanboy opinion and you called me a fanboy? You even said that it's plain obvious? Ridiculous.​

See? Your fanboyism restricts you from seeing the truth. I can't blame you for that, but that also means that any debate is useless. Don't take the "fanboy" word for the bad part, it also means that you like a character a lot, and like to think he's the best. I can understand that, but at least don't pick arguments with others if you're blinded by Itachi.

 

[Bieber]

The amount of Tsunade wank is disgusting and I have only read the first page.
Itachi wins med-diff at best.

 

[Bogard]

I can give a great list of genjutsu user capable to create the reality genjutsu that some people mention concerning Itachi including genin or chunin level ninja. It seems not to be a great of a feat, but like against every genjutsu, the one caught in one must be careful enough to identify the genjutsu if he were caught in one

To date the only ones Itachi really fooled with this type of genjutsu is an unexperienced 10yo Deidara who never fought in battle before(databook) and Naruto who was inexperienced in the genjutsu art as well, but when you watch the fight carefully, you'll realise the finger genjutsu Itachi made was too damn obvious to notice. It's only that Naruto was the one too slow to realise. Since the start we see Kakashi and Sakura turning into Itachi clones. A smart and careful one would have realised it was a genjutsu since that moment. It's only Naruto who wasn't good enough to realise until some point later

Generally infact the reality genjutsu Itachi create aren't difficult to notice since he almost all the time turns himself into crow. Killer-Bee a much experimented ninja did recognise it the second he turned into crow. I've no doubt in my mind Tsunade would as well

Now there is Itachi's kanashibari no genjutsu that he used on Orochimaru. This one isn't used to fool but rather immobilise the opponent. But this genjutsu is better suited in a close situation since it's in this range that it gives Itachi enough time to intervene. Now it would depend on Tsunade's reaction time here. Maybe she would simply do like Kurenai did in part1 to break free from this genjutsu the second she is caught in it

Btw, Orochimaru didn't really lose to Itachi's genjutsu alone since after Itachi cut his arm, the genjutsu broke because of the pain inflected by the attack so at that moment Orochimaru wasn't defeated especially when you know he possess a switching body capacity, and let's not also forget Orochimaru was only there to take his body and Orochimaru uses this technique only when his body starts rejecting him, so was probably at his weakest as well

So besides the fact that ABC logic doesn't work, i don't think Itachi could have defeated a full power Orochimaru with 3tomoes alone. I even think that they fought more than what it seemed to be because Itachi recognised Orochimaru's yamata no Orochi, as well as his special kawarim when either he or Sasuke used it during the battle against Sasuke, which means he saw Orochimaru use those techniques probably during that battle

 

[Shura]

I can give a great list of genjutsu user capable to create the reality genjutsu that some people mention concerning Itachi including genin or chunin level ninja. It seems not to be a great of a feat, but like against every genjutsu, the one caught in one must be careful enough to identify the genjutsu if he were caught in one

To date the only ones Itachi really fooled with this type of genjutsu is an unexperienced 10yo Deidara who never fought in battle before(databook) and Naruto who was inexperienced in the genjutsu art as well, but when you watch the fight carefully, you'll realise the finger genjutsu Itachi made was too damn obvious to notice. It's only that Naruto was the one too slow to realise. Since the start we see Kakashi and Sakura turning into Itachi clones. A smart and careful one would have realised it was a genjutsu since that moment. It's only Naruto who wasn't good enough to realise until some point later

Generally infact the reality genjutsu Itachi create aren't difficult to notice since he almost all the time turns himself into crow. Killer-Bee a much experimented ninja did recognise it the second he turned into crow. I've no doubt in my mind Tsunade would as well

Now there is Itachi's kanashibari no genjutsu that he used on Orochimaru. This one isn't used to fool but rather immobilise the opponent. But this genjutsu is better suited in a close situation since it's in this range that it gives Itachi enough time to intervene. Now it would depend on Tsunade's reaction time here. Maybe she would simply do like Kurenai did in part1 to break free from this genjutsu the second she is caught in it

Btw, Orochimaru didn't really lose to Itachi's genjutsu alone since after Itachi cut his arm, the genjutsu broke because of the pain inflected by the attack so at that moment Orochimaru wasn't defeated especially when you know he possess a switching body capacity, and let's not also forget Orochimaru was only there to take his body and Orochimaru uses this technique only when his body starts rejecting him, so was probably at his weakest as well

So besides the fact that ABC logic doesn't work, i don't think Itachi could have defeated a full power Orochimaru with 3tomoes alone. I even think that they fought more than what it seemed to be because Itachi recognised Orochimaru's yamata no Orochi, as well as his special kawarim when either he or Sasuke used it during the battle against Sasuke, which means he saw Orochimaru use those techniques probably during that battle

@Underlined. Not really. Itachi picks if he will turn into crows or not. Just like in the Deidara fight, he didn't turn into crows and Deidara had no idea that he was in a Genjutsu. The same exact thing would happen here. Unless Itachi decides to make it obvious which is doubtful since he would be fighting a Sannin here.

@Bold. It's funny how Itachi already cutted off Orochimaru's arm and yet he was still under the effects of the Genjutsu so no, inflicting pain to yourself won't break you out of it. [

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] Itachi only needs to leave Tsunade in a Genjutsu a second or two so that he could Shunshin blitz her.

@Red. I don't see why are you brining this up. At the age of thirteen, Itachi did defeat Orochimaru rather easily. If they fought once again or if Itachi found out about his Yamata no Jutsu throught some other means is unknown because Kishi never said anything about it.​

 

[Bogard]

@Underlined. Not really. Itachi picks if he will turn into crows or not. Just like in the Deidara fight, he didn't turn into crows and Deidara had no idea that he was in a Genjutsu. The same exact thing would happen here. Unless Itachi decides to make it obvious which is doubtful since he would be fighting a Sannin here.

@Bold. It's funny how Itachi already cutted off Orochimaru's arm and yet he was still under the effects of the Genjutsu so no, inflicting pain to yourself won't break you out of it. [

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] Itachi only needs to leave Tsunade in a Genjutsu a second or two so that he could Shunshin blitz her.

@Red. I don't see why are you brining this up. At the age of thirteen, Itachi did defeat Orochimaru rather easily. If they fought once again or if Itachi found out about his Yamata no Jutsu throught some other means is unknown because Kishi never said anything about it.​

1- I said generally he turns into crows. I never said it happens in all his genjutsus

2- No he wasn't. Look at your own picture again and you'll realise that the "tremble effect"(symbol of kanashibari genjutsu) that you can notice when Orochimaru is immobilised by the pillars disappeared after Itachi cut his arm

3- I'm only bringing facts. The only one he defeated was a weakened Orochimaru with a body rejecting himself and he never got defeated by that genjutsu alone for the reasons i already mentioned

 

[Wave.]

Lawd Katsuyu solo's.

 

[Mellanoma]

1. Never heard of that bullshit.
2. Lol, a shuriken can kill Tsunade? Ok.
3. Since when has Itachi a sword?
4. Ok, so his D rank Katon > Tsunade?
5. None of his non MS genjutsu is strong enough to fool Tsunade due to her perfect chakra control and Katsuyu
6. His weak punches aren't doing shit to her.

@bold

- Byakugou Seal ( S rank )
- Creation Rebirth ( S rank )
- Byakugou no jutsu ( S rank )
- Ranshinso ( A rank )
- Chakra scalpels ( A rank )
- summoning jutsu
- CES

Itachi's taijutsu may be better, but Tsunade is sometimes unpredictable due to her auto healing abilities and immense durability.
Destroy her in CQC? Lol. He won't be able to lay a single finger on her to begin with.

@bold#1 Itachi's non MS genjutsu caught Bee and Katsuya has 0 feats showing she can break genjutsu
@bold#2 that should be sigged..

Btw Tsunade was solo by Part 1 Kabuto... Her feats have not changed since then....

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Shuriken to the eyeballs.

 

[Aya San]

I can give a great list of genjutsu user capable to create the reality genjutsu that some people mention concerning Itachi including genin or chunin level ninja. It seems not to be a great of a feat, but like against every genjutsu, the one caught in one must be careful enough to identify the genjutsu if he were caught in one

To date the only ones Itachi really fooled with this type of genjutsu is an unexperienced 10yo Deidara who never fought in battle before(databook) and Naruto who was inexperienced in the genjutsu art as well, but when you watch the fight carefully, you'll realise the finger genjutsu Itachi made was too damn obvious to notice. It's only that Naruto was the one too slow to realise. Since the start we see Kakashi and Sakura turning into Itachi clones. A smart and careful one would have realised it was a genjutsu since that moment. It's only Naruto who wasn't good enough to realise until some point later

Generally infact the reality genjutsu Itachi create aren't difficult to notice since he almost all the time turns himself into crow. Killer-Bee a much experimented ninja did recognise it the second he turned into crow. I've no doubt in my mind Tsunade would as well

Now there is Itachi's kanashibari no genjutsu that he used on Orochimaru. This one isn't used to fool but rather immobilise the opponent. But this genjutsu is better suited in a close situation since it's in this range that it gives Itachi enough time to intervene. Now it would depend on Tsunade's reaction time here. Maybe she would simply do like Kurenai did in part1 to break free from this genjutsu the second she is caught in it

Btw, Orochimaru didn't really lose to Itachi's genjutsu alone since after Itachi cut his arm, the genjutsu broke because of the pain inflected by the attack so at that moment Orochimaru wasn't defeated especially when you know he possess a switching body capacity, and let's not also forget Orochimaru was only there to take his body and Orochimaru uses this technique only when his body starts rejecting him, so was probably at his weakest as well

So besides the fact that ABC logic doesn't work, i don't think Itachi could have defeated a full power Orochimaru with 3tomoes alone. I even think that they fought more than what it seemed to be because Itachi recognised Orochimaru's yamata no Orochi, as well as his special kawarim when either he or Sasuke used it during the battle against Sasuke, which means he saw Orochimaru use those techniques probably during that battle

Itachi decides whether or not to turn himself into crow. "Almost all the time" lel

 

[NarutoIndra]

Shuriken to the eyeballs.

Lol waiting for someone to take the bait.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi decides whether or not to turn himself into crow. "Almost all the time" lel

His crow genjutsu is his signature genjutsu mark. You can lol all you want but it's true, to the point Sasuke even copied it in his fight against Danzo. Just like against Sasuke, Naruto or Bee. In all those fights, it was a crow genjutsu

 

[Mellanoma]

His crow genjutsu is his signature genjutsu mark. You can lol all you want but it's true, to the point Sasuke even copied it in his fight against Danzo. Just like against Sasuke, Naruto or Bee. In all those fights, it was a crow genjutsu

Sasuke uses crow clones as replacements and genjutsu. You seriously like to degrade Itachi's genjutsu(why I dont know) when he was praised and wanked by literally everyone who fought him.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Destroy her in CQC? Lol. He won't be able to lay a single finger on her to begin with.

waiting for scans of Tsunade keeping up with any opponent in CQC who's speed is comparable to KCM Naruto's... and pls leave out the fight in which the opponent wasn't even serious / used fodder clones against foddernade

 

[Bogard]

Sasuke uses crow clones as replacements and genjutsu. You seriously like to degrade Itachi's genjutsu(why I dont know) when he was praised and wanked by literally everyone who fought him.

Stating facts is downgrading now? If you really think i'm downgrading something, at least show me where i'm downgrading the thing by proving me wrong cuz as of late no one countered my arguments

 

[Tartarus]

I'm not seeing any good arguments for how Itachi actually puts Tsunade down. Body Flickr is nice and all but if all he's gonna be doing is running away and evading then how is actually planning on taking out Tsunade? Outlasting her is a bad strategy considering her stamina and chakra control. Taking her out before she activates her Yin seal is laughable considering it doesn't require hand seals.
-Before any brings up the dumb idea of Itachi decapitating Tsunade with kunai by bringing up Zabuza doing it Gato, consider this: Gato is a weak civilian with no durability. Haku, with only 1 in strength, managed to easily break his arm. Of course Zabuza would be able to decapitate him.
-The only real offense Itachi has without MS is: Water Style, Fire style, and exploding clones. Water style is won't do any actual lasting damage. Exploding clones are featless. Fireball won't be doing much considering s

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[Mellanoma]

Stating facts is downgrading now? If you really think i'm downgrading something, at least show me where i'm downgrading the thing by proving me wrong cuz as of late no one countered my arguments

Kakashi
Chiyo
Orochimaru
Deidara
Danzo
Ao
Ci
Killer Bee
Sasuke


All praised Itachi for his genjutsu skills. He is the ONLY person in the series to Reverse a Genjutsu without breaking it(Vs Kurenai) who was able to trap Kisame into a genjutsu. He trapped Killer bee in a 3 tome Sharingan genjutsu that alone is a mega feat. He also Caught Kakashi clone in a genjutsu at 30% MAX power,abilities, and chakra. He Trapped Sasuke and Naruto simulateneously into a long range genjutsu (Sasuke at the cave and Naruto in the forrest)

OT: People forget about Faint Clone Explosion

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi
Chiyo
Orochimaru
Deidara
Danzo
Ao
Ci
Killer Bee
Sasuke


All praised Itachi for his genjutsu skills. He is the ONLY person in the series to Reverse a Genjutsu without breaking it(Vs Kurenai) who was able to trap Kisame into a genjutsu. He trapped Killer bee in a 3 tome Sharingan genjutsu that alone is a mega feat. He also Caught Kakashi clone in a genjutsu at 30% MAX power,abilities, and chakra. He Trapped Sasuke and Naruto simulateneously into a long range genjutsu (Sasuke at the cave and Naruto in the forrest)

I never contested Itachi's genjutsu skills. I already know Itachi is great in trapping people in genjutsus, but just like every other genjutsus it's noticeable and breakable. It's the only thing i'm arguing against here, so dunno why you give me this list. What i'm trying to argue is about a way to identify and counter Itachi's genjutsu. It's that, that i want you to counter since post 86

 

[Mellanoma]

I never contested Itachi's genjutsu skills. I already know Itachi is great in trapping people in genjutsus, but just like every other genjutsus it's noticeable and breakable. It's the only thing i'm arguing against here, so dunno why you give me this list. What i'm trying to argue is about a way to identify and counter Itachi's genjutsu. It's that, that i want you to counter since post 86

Well honestly, based on feats. Itachi is the best at tricking people into being in a genjutsu considering in his genjutsu he allows himself to take hits, immitate being killed, or losing the upperhand in a fight. Only other two people who have done this in the series is Obito and Kakashi which going off prowess Itachi triumphs them. Identifying a genjutsu from how you put it could be easy but going off Itachi feats it would be quite difficult since the fight could go own for an extended period of time.

Looking at Sasuke vs Itachi fight the only reason Sasuke realized it was all a genjutsu is cause Itachi clearly pointed out that it was one on top of him using his Sharingan to finally see things clearly. Tsunade has 0 feats for genjutsu and lacks the equipment required to counter visual genjutsu.



Besides nothing is stopping Itachi from using a paralysis jutsu then using a clone to faint clone explosion her right when the match starts

 

[-Sky-]

@Underlined. It is a Genjutsu, but in reality it's a weak one because it's only meaning was to break Itachi out of Kurenai's Genjutsu. Considering that Itachi cutted off Orochimaru's hand and he still was in Itachi's Genjutsu, we can easily conclude that the Genjutsu Itachi used on Kurenai was rather weak.

@Bold. Actually, much like Deidara, Tsunade won't even know that she is inside of a Genjutsu unless Itachi decides to let her know of that fact. [

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] So it's only Katsuyu really.

@Red. Yes, Jiraiya stated that, but there is nothing that suggests he was actually talking about Itachi's Genjutsu and we both know that Itachi's Genjutsu is better than some random fodder's or part one Sasuke's Genjutsu [Jiraiya was talking about Sasuke's Genjutsu if I remember correctly]. And it's unlikely that both Sakura and Chiyo touched Naruto just because one of them was 'bored'.​

@ Underlined: How do you know it was a weak Genjutsu? Because someone broke out of it? That's oddly convenient of you to say, even though no where is it stated that Genjutsu counters are weaker then a normal Genutsu. You can clearly see Itachi attempting to kill her, by using the opening from the genjutsu. Meaning he meant for her to stay in it, yet she escaped and evaded him. The Genjutsu placed on Orochimaru was a completely different one, it was a paralysis Genjutsu.

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This type of Genjutsu is obvious, and the one under it is aware of it. All the easier for Katsuyu to disrupt her Chakra. All she needs is to keep Katsuyu on her shoulder the whole time.


@ Bold: No, she would not, but Katsuyu would, as you said. I've already established how Katsuyu can disrupt her Chakra, she has perfect Chakra control. It's not that hard, all she has to do is touch her. And Katsuyu would be aware of this, as Deidara was still acting in the real world, except he was about to kill himself rather than Itachi. That's an obvious Genjutsu to onlookers.

@ Red: In the manga, Jiraiya is referring to no one in particular, just genjutsu as a whole. The concept is that someone can break you out of it by touching you. Nowhere did it say that both Chiyo and Sakura had to touch Naruto, they just did it. Who said they touched him because they were bored? They both rushed to break him out simultaneously. It's just instinct. It's always been specified that breaking out of Genjutsu just requires an outside force to stimulate one's chakra. Just because the one casting the Genjutsu is Itachi, doesn't mean the concept of escaping Genjutsu is any different. It's near impossible for someone to escape his illusions on their own, because of his superior skill at it. That's where his mastery comes into play.

However, if you have someone to disturb your chakra and to be aware of Genjutsu (Katsuyu), then escaping is simple because they'll notice and disturb your chakra. That's how Genjutsu has been explained throughout the manga, and that's what I'm sticking to, regardless of these fantasies you're having of Itachi being beyond the realms of the scopes specifically set by the author.