3 tomoe itachi vs tsunade

[TheEvilOne]

@Bold. And yet he is capable of kicking Kurenai a good few meters away [

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@Underlined. No, it really wouldn't. If the pain you recieve when someone cuts off your hand doesn't break you out of Itachi's Genjutsu, I really doubt that Tsunade can break Itachi's Genjutsu with pain. [

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Cutting limbs =/= kicking someone away. Part1 Sakura punched Ino back, so this means she can also cut off Tsunade's head?

 

[Exaar]

Well Orochimaru has an interesting body structure... Sometimes he is very durable ( tanked Tsunade's punch ) and sometimes he is less durable ( Itachi cut his hands, Kabuto cut his throat ).

And Tsunade tanked the teleportation technique with some scratches when Mabuti stated she won't be able to survive it. Her body is more durable then a regular human's.

Thats not interesting.

Punching is blunt force, Kunai/Chakra scaple are designed for cutting and slicing. Simply being able to tank a strong Blunt force attack means nothing to a much weak attack that uses cutting/slicing.
Also as you most likely know, The punch orochimaru received was from a pretty worn out tsunade who i doubt used chakra to enhance that punch.

Also she tanked it but she needed to use her seal afterwards, Hell didn't even A tank it also?. As for the durable agrument, Then yes she might have a slight durability advantage but it's not huge nor does it make her super human.

Senju/Uzumaki are still susceptible to being Cut/Stabbed/Slash/Losing arms and so just as much as any other person. Hashirama a full blooded senju was going to kill himself with a mere kunai stab.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Tsunade and quite comfortably may I add.. I thought this was a no brainer. Katsuyu can split into many small slugs, and some can stay somewhere in Tsunade's clothes. This means genjutsu would be ineffective and deemed useless as it will be broken out of. Tsunade can one shot Itachi with any punch. Tsunade does not need to take Itachi's speed as a threat, as

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ends it, and no one is getting out of that radius.

 

[Shura]

Cutting limbs =/= kicking someone away. Part1 Sakura punched Ino back, so this means she can also cut off Tsunade's head?

I just brought you Itachi's strength feats you were asking for. He will obviously have a kunai with him which can be used to cut off Tsunade's limbs considering that he already did cut off Orochimaru's limb. It's not really that hard for Itachi to do so.​

 

[-Sky-]

@Red. A weak Genjutsu can be broken that way, but not Itachi's Genjutsu. Both Sakura and Chiyo needed to channel their Chakura into Naruto, who was trying to disturb his own Chakura flow as well [

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], in order to break Naruto out of Itachi's Utakata [

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] which isn't even one of his Sharingan Genjutsu, but a simple finger Genjutsu. Also, please do note that Sakura herself has good Chakura control. [

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] It is not easy to break out of Itachi's Genjutsu.[/Indent]

Actually, Kurenai broke out of his genjutsu here just by biting her lip:

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Note: This was a Sharingan Genjutsu.

Also, Katsuyu is indeed enough to get her out of genjutsu if need be because Tsunade is a master with Chakra control, far superior to Naruto in that respect. Also, Katsuyu is amazing with chakra control as she herself is a prolific medic, being able to heal all 5 Kage from near-mortal injuries while being in a weakened state.

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And all medical ninja have to have perfect chakra control:

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Breaking out of Genjutsu is far from impossible for Tsunade.

 

[Shura]

Actually, Kurenai broke out of his genjutsu here just by biting her lip:

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Note: This was a Sharingan Genjutsu.

Also, Katsuyu is indeed enough to get her out of genjutsu if need be because Tsunade is a master with Chakra control, far superior to Naruto in that respect. Also, Katsuyu is amazing with chakra control as she herself is a prolific medic, being able to heal all 5 Kage from near-mortal injuries while being in a weakened state.

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And all medical ninja have to have perfect chakra control:

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Breaking out of Genjutsu is far from impossible for Tsunade.

The point of that Genjutsu was to counter Kurenai's own. Note how Kurenai states ''A Genjutsu counter?!''. [

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] That Genjutsu never was meant for Kurenai to be caught in a powerful illusion and that's exactly why she managed to break out of it.

It needed at least three people for Naruto to be broken out of Itachi's Genjutsu and even two of those three people were medical shinobi so I don't see how Tsunade breaks out of it with just Katsuyu.​

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Oh wow, the featless finger genjutsu again.

 

[-Sky-]

The point of that Genjutsu was to counter Kurenai's own. Note how Kurenai states ''A Genjutsu counter?!''. [

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] That Genjutsu never was meant for Kurenai to be caught in a powerful illusion and that's exactly why she managed to break out of it.

It needed at least three people for Naruto to be broken out of Itachi's Genjutsu and even two of those three people were medical shinobi so I don't see how Tsunade breaks out of it with just Katsuyu.​

Yes it was a counter, but it was still a Genjutsu from Itachi. Nothing changes that, you even see him cast it here:

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Naruto had already succumbed to the Genjutsu. He was resisting, but his chakra control was not strong enough. Tsunade's would be. Never the less, Tsunade and Katsuyu > Sakura and Chiyo when it comes to chakra control.

And just because two people touched Naruto, doesn't mean two people had to touch Naruto. They could've both just noticed at the same time. Jiraiya says here that only one person is necessary:

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[Shura]

Yes it was a counter, but it was still a Genjutsu from Itachi. Nothing changes that, you even see him cast it here:

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Naruto had already succumbed to the Genjutsu. He was resisting, but his chakra control was not strong enough. Tsunade's would be. Never the less, Tsunade and Katsuyu > Sakura and Chiyo when it comes to chakra control.

And just because two people touched Naruto, doesn't mean two people had to touch Naruto. They could've both just noticed at the same time. Jiraiya says here that only one person is necessary:

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@Underlined. It is a Genjutsu, but in reality it's a weak one because it's only meaning was to break Itachi out of Kurenai's Genjutsu. Considering that Itachi cutted off Orochimaru's hand and he still was in Itachi's Genjutsu, we can easily conclude that the Genjutsu Itachi used on Kurenai was rather weak.

@Bold. Actually, much like Deidara, Tsunade won't even know that she is inside of a Genjutsu unless Itachi decides to let her know of that fact. [

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] So it's only Katsuyu really.

@Red. Yes, Jiraiya stated that, but there is nothing that suggests he was actually talking about Itachi's Genjutsu and we both know that Itachi's Genjutsu is better than some random fodder's or part one Sasuke's Genjutsu [Jiraiya was talking about Sasuke's Genjutsu if I remember correctly]. And it's unlikely that both Sakura and Chiyo touched Naruto just because one of them was 'bored'.​

 

[Bogard]

Itachi can't really put Tsunade down in base so that worse possible scenario, Tsunade would simply outlast him but i think he would die long before this and no i don't believe Itachi's genjutsu would be a threat on Tsunade with her refined chakra control and even if it were, if she inflect injury on herself, the genjutsu will dissipate on it's own, so yeah i don't think Itachi can win this without MS

 

[Ababeel]

Tsunade wins.
If Madara's clones with 5 susanoos couldn't kill her, is hard to believe that a little brat like itachi can!

 

[Boston Rob]

Itachi mid diff, kabuto was able to beat her with taijutsu and hers fear of blood stuff, itachi definetly can do this too and with much less diff

 

[TheEvilOne]

Itachi mid diff, kabuto was able to beat her with taijutsu and hers fear of blood stuff, itachi definetly can do this too and with much less diff

War arc Tsunade =/= part1 Tsunade.

 

[Ababeel]

Itachi mid diff, kabuto was able to beat her with taijutsu and hers fear of blood stuff, itachi definetly can do this too and with much less diff

Kabuto cut itachi in half as well.

 

[Boston Rob]

War arc Tsunade =/= part1 Tsunade.

Still it was never stated that she doesnt fear blood anymore plus she has no defense neigher eye or finger genjutsu and please dont say that she countered Madaras genjutsu cuz she wont... Madara never used genjutsu....

 

[Boston Rob]

Kabuto cut itachi in half as well.

Cuz of Izanami preparation, reread rewatch manga/anime

 

[Tazzilla88]

Itachi mid diff, kabuto was able to beat her with taijutsu and hers fear of blood stuff, itachi definetly can do this too and with much less diff

Itachi loses.
You're comparing a part 1 Tsunade to a War Arc Tsunade. Which are very different in terms of power level. Kishi more than demonstrated this in the War. In part 1 Tsunade uses Creation Rebirth 1 times, used CES, and used Ranshinsho and summoning jutsu and was out of chakra.
In part 2, Tsunade has used Creation Rebirth 1 time, Refilled Gaara's chakra + healed Gaara 1 time, Refilled Oonoki Chakra and healed Oonoki's chakra 1 time, refilled Mei's chakra and healed Mei one time. Used Byakugou no jutsu to regenerate from 3 susanoo sword stabs, 3 yasaka magatamas, and 5 fire dragon heads. She also managed to make an Oonoki with low chakra use the biggest jinton we've ever seen from him 1 time.
So you can't begin to tell be that Part 1 Tsunade and Part 2 Tsunade are comparable in terms of power. There's very obvious jump in what she's capable of doing.

Furthermore, Tsunade is one of the best persons throughout the entire manga with her chakra control. Her medical ninjutsu, her byakugou seal, and her byakugou no jutsu, and her CES, all speak toward the precision of her chakra control. A simple genjutsu is unlikely to hold her.
Itachi's Katon pales in comparison to the one that Tsunade already tanked. He doesn't have anything in his arsenal to actually put Tsunade down. Nor does Tsunade have Hemophobia any longer.
Part 1 Kabuto would be curb stomped by War Arc Tsunade. That's not withstanding that Tsunade was still holding back in order to fight Orochimaru after Kabuto. He didn't really have a way to take Tsunade out of commission. She could have just use Creation Rebirth and been ready to go once more. Kabuto not only fought a Tsunade who didn't use her entire arsenal, and not just a Tsunade that was holding back, and not just a Tsunade with Hemophobia, but a "rusty" Tsunade at that and even then had she gone used all of her prowess against the soldier pill enhanced Kabuto she would have killed him. So I find your use of A>B>C logic particularly problematic.
3 tomoe Itachi really isn't putting Tsunade down. She outlasts him and her arsenal without his MS is more dangerous than his.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Still it was never stated that she doesnt fear blood anymore plus she has no defense neigher eye or finger genjutsu and please dont say that she countered Madaras genjutsu cuz she wont... Madara never used genjutsu....

She was literally cut in half for the god's sake. Everything was full of blood.

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Finger genjutsu = featless genjutsu.
According to Jiraiya, the key of countering a genjutsu is the chakra control. Tsunade is hailed as the best medical ninja of the shinobi world = she has perfect chakra control. + she can use the slug to break the genjutsu.

 

[Exaar]

Finger genjutsu = featless genjutsu.
According to Jiraiya, the key of countering a genjutsu is the chakra control. Tsunade is hailed as the best medical ninja of the shinobi world = she has perfect chakra control. + she can use the slug to break the genjutsu.

Then thing is, itachi's genjutsu's aren't obvious.

His Genjutsu's simulate the real world and everything around him, Thats what makes his genjutsu's so dangerous. Having the ability/controll to break a genjutsu is one thing, Knowing you're in one is another

 

[Boston Rob]

Itachi loses.
You're comparing a part 1 Tsunade to a War Arc Tsunade. Which are very different in terms of power level. Kishi more than demonstrated this in the War. In part 1 Tsunade uses Creation Rebirth 1 times, used CES, and used Ranshinsho and summoning jutsu and was out of chakra.
In part 2, Tsunade has used Creation Rebirth 1 time, Refilled Gaara's chakra + healed Gaara 1 time, Refilled Oonoki Chakra and healed Oonoki's chakra 1 time, refilled Mei's chakra and healed Mei one time. Used Byakugou no jutsu to regenerate from 3 susanoo sword stabs, 3 yasaka magatamas, and 5 fire dragon heads. She also managed to make an Oonoki with low chakra use the biggest jinton we've ever seen from him 1 time.
So you can't begin to tell be that Part 1 Tsunade and Part 2 Tsunade are comparable in terms of power. There's very obvious jump in what she's capable of doing.

Furthermore, Tsunade is one of the best persons throughout the entire manga with her chakra control. Her medical ninjutsu, her byakugou seal, and her byakugou no jutsu, and her CES, all speak toward the precision of her chakra control. A simple genjutsu is unlikely to hold her.
Itachi's Katon pales in comparison to the one that Tsunade already tanked. He doesn't have anything in his arsenal to actually put Tsunade down. Nor does Tsunade have Hemophobia any longer.
Part 1 Kabuto would be curb stomped by War Arc Tsunade. That's not withstanding that Tsunade was still holding back in order to fight Orochimaru after Kabuto. He didn't really have a way to take Tsunade out of commission. She could have just use Creation Rebirth and been ready to go once more. Kabuto not only fought a Tsunade who didn't use her entire arsenal, and not just a Tsunade that was holding back, and not just a Tsunade with Hemophobia, but a "rusty" Tsunade at that and even then had she gone used all of her prowess against the soldier pill enhanced Kabuto she would have killed him. So I find your use of A>B>C logic particularly problematic.
3 tomoe Itachi really isn't putting Tsunade down. She outlasts him and her arsenal without his MS is more dangerous than his.

So you basically saying she beats him with only Taijutsu, sorry i cant even imagine this happening...