Madara is not TNJ-proof.

[majinbuu1307]

Madara is pretty much a more experienced sasuke, who also lost his brother and family. He's just been around longer to become more cold and hardened. But I highly doubt he is TNJ proof. I think the whole point Kishi has been trying to make is "what is a bad guy to someone, is the good guy to someone else" If someone thinks they are doing the right thing. It was Madara's plan in the first place to put the moons eye plan into effect. He wants peace no matter the cost. Just like nagato. When we met him he was cold and calculating and then we hear his backstory.

Talk no jutsu is not a bad thing and I don't get why people look down on it. It's quite annoying actually to hear people complain that naruto didnt just explode someone's head instead of communicating or making them realize what they are doing is wrong. If you guys just want a villain like the Joker who is insane and does evil things just because, this isn't the manga for you. Even the joker(in the killing joke) has a reason why he went nuts and does the things he does. He wife and unborn baby where killed and he got horribly chemically burned.

Anywho.. my point is, if you haven't noticed, naruto having some epic speech about not going back on his word and never giving up, and the enemies seeing what they have done wrong, has pretty much been part of this since Zabuza. Deal with it.

 

[GenKiDama]

if madara gets tnj'd then all is lost for the manga.

 

[majinbuu1307]

if madara gets tnj'd then all is lost for the manga.

Why because the villains arent cliche "oh i think i'll destroy stuff, just cuz" Naruto will be the one to defeat the final villiain( the manga is called naruto.) and Madara is seemingly the final villain. I doubt naruto will kill anyone,(assuming madara gets a real body) that leaves TNJ

 

[itachiuchiha21]

you avatar gave me cancer

madara will either get totsuka'ed or tnj'ed

 

[Shinobi2012]

No point in trying to reach them

Ignorance breeds stupidity and if they haven't caught on the running themes kishi has put in place by now, then they never will.

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Madara is more than an experienced Sasuke.

Kishi made it apparent Madara is "the" Uchiha, the embodiment of an Uchiha at their full potential.
And isnt obvious "talk no jutsu" wont work in him? he's the last threat right now lol

 

[Jcub]

A well done, hard fought TNJ is better than some fatality scene. There are enough manga/comics/movies/games that do that well.

I agree he isn't TNJ proof but I'm not sure it will go that route. Time will tell right?

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

Madara will not succumb to the all mighty TNJ, In fact he himself has been hinted at having TNJ powers although not as strong as narutos. Was able to turn obito into what he is today via TNJ and PNJ manipulation involving rin.

 

[-Punk-]

IMO if you think about it logically , Madara has more knowledge about the world & how things work than anyone else .Also he has been planning this for a long time(it would be retarded to change it all just because of another speech) TNJ him by Naruto or Hashi would be a Mistake , I think this is the guy weather he is the final villain or not , that you need to defeat by fighting . will it happen ? No , he is getting TNJ.

 

[Harry Balzac]

So you think it's a good idea to convert every villain into good guys? You find that type of writing logical?

 

[iKaras]

All we asking is for the guy to go down with his motives still in tact...

Is that so much to ask?

Wtf... >.>


It still boggles my mind how a middle age man got talked outta his life long mission by a 16-17 yr old in 5 minutes.

 

[reject101]

As the op said, it's been a part of Naruto since Zabuza times, and plus, how can Naruto hope to break the violent cycle of the shinobi world if he just kills the bad guys, if that's all you people want or expect, you really don't get the point or message in this manga at all.

 

[GhostProject]

TNJ is not necessarily looked down upon, however, most of us just want to see a major villain that is unwavering in his resolve up until the very end. We've seen countless major villains turned by Naruto, now we hope to see one that is beyond redemption. Madara keeps that hope alive.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

No one is impervious to talk

 

[Naijakid]

Madara fell for TNJ once, so yeah

 

[BlueToweR12]

Because in the real world no "bad" guy get tnj. I know that this is Naruto and not the real world. But the back stories of the villians are really realistic. Many of them have lost someone, suffered and so on. And than there is Naruto. A kid that says to every villain "I know your pain bla bla bla". He knows nothing about them. Even Minato said it. Sometimes it doesnt fit that Naruto tnj someone. He just destroys the realistic villains with unrealistic shit.

 

[Narui]

I don't think Madara will be changed by TnJ (at least not easily) but I agree with you in not understanding why people hate TnJ...

I think TnJ is the best thing in Naruto and I wish the real world had some of it. I really hate how villains or criminals are looked down upon or treated as inhumane or as monsters or spawns of the devil, etc. and I love how Kishimoto shows us in Naruto that even villains have hearts and are people too by introducing their pasts and making them more complex. We get to know why a villain did what they did and continue to do what they do, we sympathize with them, become closer to them, maybe even support them etc... It also shows that easily anyone could become 'evil' and that everybody posses darkness in their hearts, for example look at Obito who was much like Naruto but was consumed by Darkness and faltered on his path! Also we are taught that in the past in the Naruto verse there wasn't much TnJ (because Villains were treated as heartless cruel people and dealt with as such like being killed or banished from a village or feared) and this is what lead to all the chaos going on in the Naruto verse , so if Naruto is the main character and hence in some essence the savior of the Naruto verse, he must do what his ancestors haven't done and that's revolutionizing the world by TnJ by understanding what people fear and trying to come in terms with it and then to create a sort of balance or harmony (like his alliance with the tailed beasts). This is what Kishi is trying to do I believe and is also why there is so much TnJ.

Also my point is proven in the way Sasuke deals with things, Sasuke thinks that eradicating whatever is causing the trouble will solve the problem (like killing the Jyuubi or Obito) where as we know this is wrong when we see Naruto doing the opposite.

Though I do agree in some cases the TnJ is a little bit ridiculous, like what happened with Obito and Naruto (Naruto got it too easy) but I hope that Madara proves much more of a challenge for whoever does TnJ him if he is going to get TnJd.