SM vs CM

[Johndoesknowall]

Many in the base only base their logic and facts off of what others say without giving any thought to the subject at hand.

I believe most of you would say SM is an original power and CM is a power given(talking about Orochimaru's modified version of CM).

Well you would be right about CM but not SM, not entirely anyway. SM can be categorized as both original and given power based on the details of the topic. But it weighs more on the side of given power.

SM requires the ability to absorb chakra, anyone can learn how to absorb chakra, the problem is controlling it. Anyway the reason for it being put in both categories is because of it's requirements. You need to absorb natural energy and then use it.

Absorbing natural energy is the users original power, since anyone can do it under the right conditions. (toad oil, or natural ability)

Using the external energy gathered is what makes it a given power since you are using nature's energy and not your original strength. So if you had to decide whether it's given or not, you would have to say that SM is a given power.


So to clarify SM is the usage of an external use of power therefore it is a given power. The only original power you have related to the technique is the ability to absorb natural energy. All of the enhancements and improvements come from an outside source being given to you.

Also for those who might say, what was the point of this thread? It is to show that SM weighs more on the given power side same as CM and not original.

If you agree, good. If not then state why and back up your reasoning. For I will back up mines if not proved wrong.

 

[-Sky-]

Why the hell does it matter? Let haters be haters man

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Curse mark, it beat the nine tails cloak, went through the nine tails cloak and sage mode < nine tails.
#Didn'tread

 

[sagemode07]

Who the hell cares if a power is given, borrowed, stolen etc.

It doesn't matter, if a character has a power (Naruto, Kurama Sasuke, EMS Kakashi, Sharingan) It is there power, thats that.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Why the hell does it matter? Let haters be haters man

Curse mark, it beat the nine tails cloak, went through the nine tails cloak and sage mode < nine tails.
#Didn'tread

I'm not sure either of you read the thread. The name might be misleading if you didn't.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

I'm not sure either of you read the thread. The name might be misleading if you didn't.

I didn't, and it is.
Btw Sage mode is given power.

I actually care, because its not their feat if it isn't originally their power, that's like saying rasengan is Tenten just because ahe was given one lol.

Btw, if senjutsu increases your power and is literally apart of your body (Sasuke's) doesn't senjutsu chakra increase your power, jutsu, speed, etc?

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

Yeah but as you said you train to control that natural energy the energy isn't just being put inside there body for free to use whenever they want. they "take" the energy and use it for them selves.


there is a diffrence and while its not completley there own power in narutos case where hes doing it all on his own without jugos cells implanted or having the toads attached to gather it for him it mostly is.

otherwise learning new jutsu from scrolls/copying with sharingan is also given power. since they didnt do it all for themselves .

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Who the hell cares if a power is given, borrowed, stolen etc.

It doesn't matter, if a character has a power (Naruto, Kurama Sasuke, EMS Kakashi, Sharingan) It is there power, thats that.

Apparently not you. But I care for getting the right information out their to the people who don't think for themselves. Who knows I might be completely wrong about this. But I believe I'm not so I'm gonna share it and hope people come to get answers from it.

 

[take it easy]

Many in the base only base their logic and facts off of what others say without giving any thought to the subject at hand.

I believe most of you would say SM is an original power and CM is a power given(talking about Orochimaru's modified version of CM).

Well you would be right about CM but not SM, not entirely anyway. SM can be categorized as both original and given power based on the details of the topic. But it weighs more on the side of given power.

SM requires the ability to absorb chakra, anyone can learn how to absorb chakra, the problem is controlling it. Anyway the reason for it being put in both categories is because of it's requirements. You need to absorb natural energy and then use it.

Absorbing natural energy is the users original power, since anyone can do it under the right conditions. (toad oil, or natural ability)

Using the external energy gathered is what makes it a given power since you are using nature's energy and not your original strength. So if you had to decide whether it's given or not, you would have to say that SM is a given power.


So to clarify SM is the usage of an external use of power therefore it is a given power. The only original power you have related to the technique is the ability to absorb natural energy. All of the enhancements and improvements come from an outside source being given to you.

Also for those who might say, what was the point of this thread? It is to show that SM weighs more on the given power side same as CM and not original.

If you agree, good. If not then state why and back up your reasoning. For I will back up mines if not proved wrong.

1.not any can absorb chakra...2. for sage mode need big chakra pool/ 3. user mix own chakra with natural energy.

 

[izzy89]

the nature energy was not given...only taken (taken power maybe?). nature energy exists by itself...naruto was given the technique to take the energy and cultivate it into something useful...however curse mark has to be given in order to be used. P.S. i don't know if you read the manga, but according to this reasoning chakra itself was a given power.

 

[-Punk-]

CM is given & SM is earned power , this is not debatable .

But people need to stop caring about this , if they have it , it's their power , no mass , no fuss .

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I didn't, and it is.
Btw Sage mode is given power.

I actually care, because its not their feat if it isn't originally their power, that's like saying rasengan is Tenten just because ahe was given one lol.

Btw, if senjutsu increases your power and is literally apart of your body (Sasuke's) doesn't senjutsu chakra increase your power, jutsu, speed, etc?

Thank you for agreeing and Natural energy increase's power, jutsu, speed, etc.

Yeah but as you said you train to control that natural energy the energy isn't just being put inside there body for free to use whenever they want. they "take" the energy and use it for them selves.


there is a diffrence and while its not completley there own power in narutos case where hes doing it all on his own without jugos cells implanted or having the toads attached to gather it for him it mostly is.

otherwise learning new jutsu from scrolls/copying with sharingan is also given power. since they didnt do it all for themselves .

You are completely wrong at bold. The sharigan only copies the technique plus it's your original power and only uses your original power. Same as with learning stuff from a scroll. If what you are learning from a scroll requires nothing but your original power then then it will become your original power once learned.

 

[Narutoga]

these type of thread don't make sense, sage mode is the only ability that is not from GOD TREE, according to your argument everybodies power is borrowed from GOD TREE, except sage mode

 

[Narutoga]

1.not any can absorb chakra...2. for sage mode need big chakra pool/ 3. user mix own chakra with natural energy.

he prob doesn't know what he is saying, also, only 3 people have ''mastered" sage mode

 

[izzy89]

these type of thread don't make sense, sage mode is the only ability that is not from god tree, according to your argument everybodies power is borrowed from god tree, except sage mode

thank you.

 

[Narutoga]

hope i didn't go OOT

 

[Johndoesknowall]

1.not any can absorb chakra...2. for sage mode need big chakra pool/ 3. user mix own chakra with natural energy.

1.Anyone can absorb natural energy, it varies in ways how though(toad oil, natural ability, etc). controlling it is one of the problems.

2.What does that have to do with anything other than attaining it? I know that.

3. Yes, they do and so does many other external/given powers. Your point?

the nature energy was not given...only taken (taken power maybe?). nature energy exists by itself...naruto was given the technique to take the energy and cultivate it into something useful...however curse mark has to be given in order to be used. P.S. i don't know if you read the manga, but according to this reasoning chakra itself was a given power.

Naruto original ability is the ability to absorb. Nature gives him the enhancements and improvements. It's an external source or power.

@Bold Only to the first person it was a given power. Everyone else was born with it. So it's part of their originality.

CM is given & SM is earned power , this is not debatable .

But people need to stop caring about this , if they have it , it's their power , no mass , no fuss .

CM and SM can be earned but this isn't what this is about.

 

[Aya San]

SM is given because the user draws in natural energy? Yall retarded lmfao I'm done

 

[Johndoesknowall]

these type of thread don't make sense, sage mode is the only ability that is not from GOD TREE, according to your argument everybodies power is borrowed from GOD TREE, except sage mode

he prob doesn't know what he is saying, also, only 3 people have ''mastered" sage mode

Only the first person who was given chakra, it was then a given power. Everyone one else born with it, it is apart of their originality. Also anyone can absorb natural energy.(Toad oil, natural ability, etc.) It's controlling it and other requirements that's the problem.

 

[xcoyote]

Good guy Nature giving power ups and shit,lmao.