No trolling, Sasuke = to Naruto, why Sasuke never tried/trying too hard

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Sasuke will soon learn sage mode and them they will be on equal footing
This is what I really want to see man, Sasuke Snake Sage Mode. He doesn't need rinnegan if he perfected it he would look similar to Naruto, I think the only reason Kabuto is so snake-like is because he experimented with some snake dna.
 

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3. Of course he isn't going to just waste Itachi's eyes, especially since the gay requirement to getting greater power EMS is to transplant eyes (gay plot by kishi). If that was all to it then it would have stopped at killing itachi but there was more to it. Sasuke isn't getting jealous, he just sees that Naruto is getting better so he has to also be able to match it. It's kind of like seeing your younger brother get better at basketball than you, you are going to want to get better too so that he isn't soloing your ass. In the end Naruto won't solo at all, especially if there is a fight between the two at the end, it's just plot. And at the current moment everyone is hopping the naruto solos bandwagon because we've seen consistent pages with Naruto battling Obito.
It not "gay plot" device from kish. Its his world, what he says goes... its not like its real life thats distorted by someones bad writing. Its bad writing period. The point is the path to fast instant power comes at a very steep price.

Sasuke is jealous, I mean what you said is the definition of jealous. If someone gets the urge to be better than a someone they know its either jealousy, or they are inspired. Which fits Sasuke more? Jealousy.

Again this is a story. Plot is all that there is... Sasuke exists because of plot. He is a device that drives the main character to go through great lengths, and show his depth of character.

Sasuke is plot.

Because its a fictional story. Crying about plot would be acceptable in a story based on real places/people or events intertwined with a plot line, think of any movie "based" on real events where the characters and events have been changed to make a better story.
 
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It not "gay plot" device from kish. Its his world, what he says goes... its not like its real life thats distorted by someones bad writing. Its bad writing period. The point is the path to fast instant power comes at a very steep price.

Sasuke is jealous, I mean what you said is the definition of jealous. If someone gets the urge to be better than a someone they know its either jealousy, or they are inspired. Which fits Sasuke more? Jealousy.

Again this is a story. Plot is all that there is... Sasuke exists because of plot. He is a device that drives the main character to go through great lengths, and show his depth of character.

Sasuke is plot.

Because its a fictional story. Crying about plot would be acceptable in a story based on real places/people or events intertwined with a plot line, think of any movie "based" on real events where the characters and events have been changed to make a better story.
Regardless I think the whole powerup from MS to EMS is really stupid. Maybe saying its a gay plot is not accurate, it is just a stupid unnecessary idea, the plot is that it adds to the darker tone of the Uchiha clan but yet shouldn't the user have the power and not the eyes? Again, another plot device because Kakashi exists as a plot device too. Everyone is plot except naruto? lol
 
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Sasuke is always jealous of naruto cause when he thinks he has caught up with naruto he see naruto has even grown stronger.

And for those of you who say that sasuke doesn't care if naruto has gotten stronger he still cares. In the war he was jealous of narutos power, he was also jealous of the huge amount of chakra naruto could control with absolute ease.

Naruto will win sasuke but naruto will never fight sasuke with his full potential
 
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Well stated, I may differ in some parts but I completely agree with the general tone of this thread. Which is the fact that Sasuke doesnt really want to be stronger than Naruto, while Naruto on the other hand does want to be stronger than Sasuke. Sasukes only reason for wanting to be stronger than Naruto at the start was because he say Naruto as a challenge he needed to surpass in order to prove to himself that he was making progress. After that he lost all interest in Naruto and others.

To put it simply:

Naruto's Goal was to be stronger than Sasuke that way he could return him to the village.
Sasuke's Goal has merely been to be strong enough to defeat Itachi.

Sasuke has already stated that he didnt care if Naruto was stronger than he. I believe he says this when someone brings up how much stronger Naruto has gotten. It could possibly have been Obito fighting Naruto and Kakashi on their way to the Kage Summit.



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Naruto had nothing to do with Sasuke's decision to get MS, the reason he didnt get MS before facing Itachi was because he didnt feel like he needed it. He was just that confident in his skills.
i was talking about ems

2) Sasuke was not manipulated by the Curse Mark. Sasuke was manipulated by Itachi since he was a kid to seek out power out of anger in order to get his revenge. Him being an "Avenger" has nothing to do with the Curse Mark.
you should go watch the episodes after sasuke got the ems

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Itachi left his eyes to him, what was he going to let Obito have his brothers eyes? Taking Itachi's eyes was the only logical decision, not to mention he had gone blind shortly after defeating Itachi because of overuse of his Sharingan... He literally had no choice.
what did sasuke say to obito when he decided to get the eyes i just want to fight naruto with everything i have

4) This is another mistake, Sasuke has already said that he doesnt care that Naruto is stronger than him. He got jealous when they were younger because he say Naruto as a stepping stone. A worthy challenge to prove his strength, the fact that Naruto was beating him signified that he was weak and not worthy to avenge his families death. but after leaving the village he hasnt shown any sign of caring about Naruto.
do you even read the manga or you just trolling

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Lol. Notice how OP didn't responded and logged off after Jarex posted.
Look at the time of his last activity^.

@OP Yes most of what you said is true both Naruto and Sasuke have had their reasons to get stronger. Sasuke never wanted to get to stronger to surpass Naruto. However he did want to kill him with his full potential(EMS) when he was still being an avenger. As of late we don't know Sasukes whole intentions and while Sasuke has shown an intrest in Naruto's new power we also haven't seen Sasuke go all out yet. Like you said Naruto has been the highlight of war.
 

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For all you who are saying that Naruto is better than Sasuke in almost every way, you need to examine a few things. This is also for those who say that Sasuke got free op powerups without training.

1. In Sasuke's case, his goal was never to be the greatest ninja like Naruto, and Naruto's other goal was to protect his friends which requires being stronger than friends. Sasuke only tried to obtain power enough for the sole purpose of fulfilling the revenge which Itachi put inside of him, he wanted power to kill itachi. If you remember, Sasuke didn't even want to have the mangekyou sharingan when fighting Itachi, just to show that he could surpass and defeat him without it but later his intentions turned into destroying the leaf for causing his brother, family, him and his clan so much pain and he knew that he needed his brother's eyes for that. For those saying that he got free power from Itachi well he never asked for it (tsukuyomi or whatever) and when the time would have come he would still be at equal or greater footing then Naruto because that is just due to plot and not because he or naruto are better than each other (this isn't real life like Lebron and Kobe).

2. Sasuke was under the influence by the curse mark when he came to Orochimaru which manipulated the mild amount of hatred he had for his brother into greater hatred, and before you say he wasn't a more enlightened ninja like naruto to be able to resist hatred, that is b.s. Naruto would have followed down the same road of darkness if it wasn't for his future experiences like meeting Jiraiya who taught him alot of how to be a better person. If he was in Sasuke's shoes (one who experienced a massacre by the hands of his own brother and told to increase his hatred to gain power) he would have done the same damn thing. So free curse mark power? He only wanted to obtain that power to be strong enough to defeat Itachi FASTER, he wasn't trying hard to be strong he knew Itachi was alive and the curse mark got a hold of him.

3. Sasuke doesn't have sage mode like naruto but if he did he would easily be able to combat Naruto's Toad Sage mode. SM increases abilities, speed, reflexes, and jutsu which would overlap with his current abilities. Snake sage mode would allow Sasuke to perceive every attack that naruto would throw, and the added Snake Sage chakra would give him a great power boost. I think the sharingan would go well with the Snake sage mode because it is very related to the senses and perception, and Snakes are just like that and there cold blooded, so I think that he could be able to hide his chakra and more with Snake sage mode. We all should know that Naruto's speed is due to plot, because his father was fast, if you think about it Jiraiya was slow as hell, and Naruto's speed was much more significant when he had Kyuubi chakra, Toads are slow, snakes are fast if you've ever seen one after their scared. Also Sasuke is only using Juugo's sage power to defeat Obito, and sasuke doesn't have SSM because he doesn't want to be like Orochimaru as Orochi stated some time during the resurrection of the Hokages.

4. Naruto's sage mode is 1 extra power that Sasuke doesn't have but personally I don't see how Naruto with just bijuu is much better than Sasuke. Susanoo is a power that is the ultimate defense and regardless of what you have to say it won't be broken that easily. This whole time naruto has been fighting with other people by his side, and it looks like he has advanced much further but the truth is he just has alot more screen time or page time. Also Sasuke's sharingan allows him to go inside Naruto's mind/soul in which he could probably sever the contact between Naruto and kurama.

Bottom line: Sasuke's goal was never to be the strongest it was to defeat Itachi and that hatred that he gave Sasuke turned him to Orochimaru thru the curse mark. He wasn't trying to use that power to catch up to Naruto, Naruto never did it on his own either, it was the fox's chakra he was using. He can match Naruto's strength, but remember he doesn't have an extra entity with twice the amount of power inside him.
A few things. For the Curse mark, Sasuke did resist it's evilness when Sakura stopped him in the forest of the chunin exam and did it himself while fighting in the preliminary. Sasuke chose to be taken by evil to further his goals, he was all about power at that point and it wasn't only because of Itachi, Kakashi also said it was cause Sasuke witness Naruto's power to grow and felt like he was stay still. Naruto goal was to be stronger than the past Hokages while Sasuke's goal was to e stronger than Itachi to get his revenge.

Actually Sasuke didn't get Itachi's eyes for Konoha, he said he had enough power to attack Konoha after his fight with Bee and didn't want the 8 tails anymore. Sasuke chose to get Itachi's eyes for more power so he can fight Naruto with all he has and because at the time he was about to be blind.

Jiraiya wasn't slow, he was fast enough to out run Pain's summonings while gathering natural energy and attacking the summonings as well. In SM Jiraiya was really fast after turning his feet toad like and bounding off the walls. Sasuke doesn't have DSM because he didn't have any knowledge about it, he learned about it from Kabuto (even Itachi knew of SM) and still didn't quite understand it so Naruto described it for him when it came up on the battle field. Sasuke can't just get DSM, Kabuto stated that power can only be obtain thru training which Sasuke had no time to do.

If Sasuke goes into Naruto's mind then he'll be fighting Kurama and Naruto, also Bee mentioned how he wasn't as strong while in Naruto's Mind so Sasuke would be weaker as while. And Sasuke had Taka, Obito and Zetsu while he fought as well so it's not only Naruto who had people, differences is if Naruto was alone, he'll ultimately will use Kurama's power and defeat whoever while also going out of control if it takes him to 4 tails.

Sasuke pretty much wanted to be the strongest if you think about it, he had a superior complex where Uchihas were above everyone so technically he did wanted to become the strongest since he was 1 of the few Uchihas alive and only knew Itachi was the other Uchiha who he wanted to surpass. He knew Itachi had help in killing the Uchihas but didn't know if it was Uchiha or not since only him and Itachi were said to be alive.

Twice the amount of power? Do you read the manga? Kurama has more than just twice the power of Naruto, he's like 100 fold times stronger. Bijuus are the strongest form of chakra in NV. And Kurama wasn't helping Naruto, he was helping himself, he only allowed Naruto to use his chakra so he could weaken the seal and even then Naruto had to learn to access that power. Jiraiya training was revolved around helping Naruto control Kurama's chakra, he got up to 3 tails and when Jiraiya used the key to slightly open the seal (to go Version 1 4 tails since it's the natural net step), Naruto went Version 2 4 tails which wasn't the plan.

Do I agree with others that Naruto is better than Sasuke in all aspects? No I don't, Sasuke is just as strong or stronger in some skills but Naruto is beyond Sasuke power wise. I would rate their powers from feat and hype as:

SM=/>MS
KM>EMS (only up to Final Susanoo cause he can attack from under Susanoo)
BM>EMS
BSM>>EMS

Sasuke's still can give Naruto a good fight and can even beat him depending on strategies but Naruto power, stamina, and speed are greatly beyond Sasuke's.
 

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Fact the Name of the Manga is Naruto, The Hero name is Naruto,that right their tells you Sasuke must and will always be Second Banana to Naruto and you can't change that fact. So accept reality or be branded Mad by all sane people on the planet.
 

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Sorry, but all your arguments are foolish. You have nothing to back up your claims except "ifs and buts" and complaining about the plot.

You say Naruto would do the same thing if he were Sasuke, yet you have nothing to prove that. You don't know what would have happened if they switched, nor does anyone here. Also, that's completely irrelevant to proving wether or not Sasuke is equal to Naruto.

Sasuke does not have Sage Mode. You can go on all day about how good he would be, but until he gets it, it's just empty words.

Naruto's powers and abilities far exceed Sasuke's, you can complain about the storyline all you want, but the only thing that will change that is in fact, the storyline.
 

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What are you guys saying? Naruto doesn't want to be stronger than Sasuke. He wants Sasuke to accept him as an equal. While Sasuke doesn't want to acknowledge that. He always thought that Naruto is inferior to him, that's why he gets mad when Naruto shows signs of being stronger than him.

In shippuden, the only time Naruto wanted to get stronger was to catch up to Sasuke or protect someone.

Rasenshuriken he learned so that he could catch up to Sasuke. SM he learned to avenge Jiraya and protect Konoha. KM he learned so that he could fight Sasuke and try to save him.

BM he got in the war, that was to protect the world. BSM was to fight against Obito.
 

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Until Kishi himself states BSM>EMS or EMS>BSM it will always be an assumption on who's stronger. Everything that you guys/girls "state" will always be an OPINION.
 

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It is true that Naruto and Sasuke have different goals as you say they do. This doesn't change the fact that Naruto is currently stronger than Sasuke. Here is why:

1. Kurama dispels Sasuke's genjutsu.
2. Chakara roar disperses Sasuke's fire style and enton.
3. Wind style beats lightning style.
4. Naruto's speed (in modes) and his sage mode sensing allows him to dodge susanoo arrows.
5. Naruto's chakara reserve > Sasuke's chakara reserve.
6. Bijuudama (or barrages of bijuudamas) destroys any normal susanoo.
7. Frog kata style > normal taijutsu and kenjutsu
8. Myoboku frogs> Aoda the snake or that hawk

Sasuke's only hope thus far is perfect susanoo and it is possible that barrages of bijuudamas or giant rasenshurikens may destroy that. He can try to last long enough so that Naruto runs out of mode related chakara and has to fight in his base state. Even if he does that however, Sasuke would probably be out of chakara as well (because Naruto's chakara reserve > Sasuke's as I stated before). It is a losing situation for Sasuke. He is generally smarter than Naruto, so he may be able to out smart him. That is about it however.
 

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op- your wasting your time

Most ppl on NB are naruto fanboys or sasuke haters.

threads like this has labeled me a" troll" to some of them
 

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Regardless I think the whole powerup from MS to EMS is really stupid. Maybe saying its a gay plot is not accurate, it is just a stupid unnecessary idea, the plot is that it adds to the darker tone of the Uchiha clan but yet shouldn't the user have the power and not the eyes? Again, another plot device because Kakashi exists as a plot device too. Everyone is plot except naruto? lol
Yes. He is the show.
 
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