No trolling, Sasuke = to Naruto, why Sasuke never tried/trying too hard

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For all you who are saying that Naruto is better than Sasuke in almost every way, you need to examine a few things. This is also for those who say that Sasuke got free op powerups without training.

1. In Sasuke's case, his goal was never to be the greatest ninja like Naruto, and Naruto's other goal was to protect his friends which requires being stronger than friends. Sasuke only tried to obtain power enough for the sole purpose of fulfilling the revenge which Itachi put inside of him, he wanted power to kill itachi. If you remember, Sasuke didn't even want to have the mangekyou sharingan when fighting Itachi, just to show that he could surpass and defeat him without it but later his intentions turned into destroying the leaf for causing his brother, family, him and his clan so much pain and he knew that he needed his brother's eyes for that. For those saying that he got free power from Itachi well he never asked for it (tsukuyomi or whatever) and when the time would have come he would still be at equal or greater footing then Naruto because that is just due to plot and not because he or naruto are better than each other (this isn't real life like Lebron and Kobe).

2. Sasuke was under the influence by the curse mark when he came to Orochimaru which manipulated the mild amount of hatred he had for his brother into greater hatred, and before you say he wasn't a more enlightened ninja like naruto to be able to resist hatred, that is b.s. Naruto would have followed down the same road of darkness if it wasn't for his future experiences like meeting Jiraiya who taught him alot of how to be a better person. If he was in Sasuke's shoes (one who experienced a massacre by the hands of his own brother and told to increase his hatred to gain power) he would have done the same damn thing. So free curse mark power? He only wanted to obtain that power to be strong enough to defeat Itachi FASTER, he wasn't trying hard to be strong he knew Itachi was alive and the curse mark got a hold of him.

3. Sasuke doesn't have sage mode like naruto but if he did he would easily be able to combat Naruto's Toad Sage mode. SM increases abilities, speed, reflexes, and jutsu which would overlap with his current abilities. Snake sage mode would allow Sasuke to perceive every attack that naruto would throw, and the added Snake Sage chakra would give him a great power boost. I think the sharingan would go well with the Snake sage mode because it is very related to the senses and perception, and Snakes are just like that and there cold blooded, so I think that he could be able to hide his chakra and more with Snake sage mode. We all should know that Naruto's speed is due to plot, because his father was fast, if you think about it Jiraiya was slow as hell, and Naruto's speed was much more significant when he had Kyuubi chakra, Toads are slow, snakes are fast if you've ever seen one after their scared. Also Sasuke is only using Juugo's sage power to defeat Obito, and sasuke doesn't have SSM because he doesn't want to be like Orochimaru as Orochi stated some time during the resurrection of the Hokages.

4. Naruto's sage mode is 1 extra power that Sasuke doesn't have but personally I don't see how Naruto with just bijuu is much better than Sasuke. Susanoo is a power that is the ultimate defense and regardless of what you have to say it won't be broken that easily. This whole time naruto has been fighting with other people by his side, and it looks like he has advanced much further but the truth is he just has alot more screen time or page time. Also Sasuke's sharingan allows him to go inside Naruto's mind/soul in which he could probably sever the contact between Naruto and kurama.

Bottom line: Sasuke's goal was never to be the strongest it was to defeat Itachi and that hatred that he gave Sasuke turned him to Orochimaru thru the curse mark. He wasn't trying to use that power to catch up to Naruto, Naruto never did it on his own either, it was the fox's chakra he was using. He can match Naruto's strength, but remember he doesn't have an extra entity with twice the amount of power inside him.
 
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Yea my point is that Naruto's goal led him to greater power like Sage mode but Sasuke's goal stopped at destroying Itachi. Naruto was always trying to get better and he even wanted to best Sasuke.
Yea thats tru....lol i was tryna come up with an argument but no luck cus ur right...but read what i said above again
 

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For all you who are saying that Naruto is better than Sasuke in almost every way, you need to examine a few things. This is also for those who say that Sasuke got free op powerups without training.

1. In Sasuke's case, his goal was never to be the greatest ninja like Naruto, and Naruto's other goal was to protect his friends which requires being stronger than friends. Sasuke only tried to obtain power enough for the sole purpose of fulfilling the revenge which Itachi put inside of him, he wanted power to kill itachi. If you remember, Sasuke didn't even want to have the mangekyou sharingan when fighting Itachi, just to show that he could surpass and defeat him without it but later his intentions turned into destroying the leaf for causing his brother, family, him and his clan so much pain and he knew that he needed his brother's eyes for that. For those saying that he got free power from Itachi well he never asked for it (tsukuyomi or whatever) and when the time would have come he would still be at equal or greater footing then Naruto because that is just due to plot and not because he or naruto are better than each other (this isn't real life like Lebron and Kobe).

2. Sasuke was under the influence by the curse mark when he came to Orochimaru which manipulated the mild amount of hatred he had for his brother into greater hatred, and before you say he wasn't a more enlightened ninja like naruto to be able to resist hatred, that is b.s. Naruto would have followed down the same road of darkness if it wasn't for his future experiences like meeting Jiraiya who taught him alot of how to be a better person. If he was in Sasuke's shoes (one who experienced a massacre by the hands of his own brother and told to increase his hatred to gain power) he would have done the same damn thing. So free curse mark power? He only wanted to obtain that power to be strong enough to defeat Itachi FASTER, he wasn't trying hard to be strong he knew Itachi was alive and the curse mark got a hold of him.

3. Sasuke doesn't have sage mode like naruto but if he did he would easily be able to combat Naruto's Toad Sage mode. SM increases abilities, speed, reflexes, and jutsu which would overlap with his current abilities. Snake sage mode would allow Sasuke to perceive every attack that naruto would throw, and the added Snake Sage chakra would give him a great power boost. I think the sharingan would go well with the Snake sage mode because it is very related to the senses and perception, and Snakes are just like that and there cold blooded, so I think that he could be able to hide his chakra and more with Snake sage mode. We all should know that Naruto's speed is due to plot, because his father was fast, if you think about it Jiraiya was slow as hell, and Naruto's speed was much more significant when he had Kyuubi chakra, Toads are slow, snakes are fast if you've ever seen one after their scared. Also Sasuke is only using Juugo's sage power to defeat Obito, and sasuke doesn't have SSM because he doesn't want to be like Orochimaru as Orochi stated some time during the resurrection of the Hokages.

4. Naruto's sage mode is 1 extra power that Sasuke doesn't have but personally I don't see how Naruto with just bijuu is much better than Sasuke. Susanoo is a power that is the ultimate defense and regardless of what you have to say it won't be broken that easily. This whole time naruto has been fighting with other people by his side, and it looks like he has advanced much further but the truth is he just has alot more screen time or page time. Also Sasuke's sharingan allows him to go inside Naruto's mind/soul in which he could probably sever the contact between Naruto and kurama.

Bottom line: Sasuke's goal was never to be the strongest it was to defeat Itachi and that hatred that he gave Sasuke turned him to Orochimaru thru the curse mark. He wasn't trying to use that power to catch up to Naruto, Naruto never did it on his own either, it was the fox's chakra he was using. He can match Naruto's strength, but remember he doesn't have an extra entity with twice the amount of power inside him.
1 sasuke didnt want the mangekyo because he had to kill naruto in order to get it

2 naruto has been on the path of light since ichiruka. sasuke was manipulated by the curse mark to become power hungry
avenger changed him immediately after it settled into his body
3 if he didnt want power he wouldnt have took itachis eyes

and since narutos goal was to be stronger sasukes goal was basically the same because every time naruto gets stronger sasuke gets jealous and kishi gives him a new power
 

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Well, Naruto also had plenty of chances to go down the same path as Sasuke, and acted differently in those situations than Sasuke would have. For instance, when Jiraiya told Naruto to give up on Sasuke, Naruto refused. Sasuke, on the other hand, really accepted Itachi's advice to sever his ties to Konoha. Is the analogy perfect? No, but the core of it all is that Naruto's ninja way is his guide, while Sasuke is willing to set aside anything that stands in the way of his ambition, including his moral compass.

If Sasuke had been in Naruto's shoes in Chapter 1, he'd probably have decided to use his Jinchuuriki power to destroy the village. The fact that Naruto only continued to seek acceptance and prove his worth shows the difference between them.
 
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naruto>sasuke, and yea sasuke was kinda handed free powers with his eyes while naruto is training his a$$ off for sage mode and then fighting kurama to get his power while sasuke kills itachi "only because thats what itachi wanted" and then gets an eye transplant to make him stronger giving him more free power.
 

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Lol nope, sasuke takes itachi's eye solely to crush naruto even after telling tobi he doesn't need it. And I don't why people always pick on naruto when it comes to powers.
 

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1 sasuke didnt want the mangekyo because he had to kill naruto in order to get it

2 naruto has been on the path of light since ichiruka. sasuke was manipulated by the curse mark to become power hungry
avenger changed him immediately after it settled into his body
3 if he didnt want power he wouldnt have took itachis eyes

and since narutos goal was to be stronger sasukes goal was basically the same because every time naruto gets stronger sasuke gets jealous and kishi gives him a new power
1. That's wrong, he didn't want to get mangekyou before killing Itachi because he wanted to defeat him without it to prove that he is strong, (you gotta go back to when he is fighting Itachi)
2. Pretty much what I stated
3. Of course he isn't going to just waste Itachi's eyes, especially since the gay requirement to getting greater power EMS is to transplant eyes (gay plot by kishi). If that was all to it then it would have stopped at killing itachi but there was more to it. Sasuke isn't getting jealous, he just sees that Naruto is getting better so he has to also be able to match it. It's kind of like seeing your younger brother get better at basketball than you, you are going to want to get better too so that he isn't soloing your ass. In the end Naruto won't solo at all, especially if there is a fight between the two at the end, it's just plot. And at the current moment everyone is hopping the naruto solos bandwagon because we've seen consistent pages with Naruto battling Obito.
 

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Well stated, I may differ in some parts but I completely agree with the general tone of this thread. Which is the fact that Sasuke doesnt really want to be stronger than Naruto, while Naruto on the other hand does want to be stronger than Sasuke. Sasukes only reason for wanting to be stronger than Naruto at the start was because he say Naruto as a challenge he needed to surpass in order to prove to himself that he was making progress. After that he lost all interest in Naruto and others.

To put it simply:

Naruto's Goal was to be stronger than Sasuke that way he could return him to the village.
Sasuke's Goal has merely been to be strong enough to defeat Itachi.

Sasuke has already stated that he didnt care if Naruto was stronger than he. I believe he says this when someone brings up how much stronger Naruto has gotten. It could possibly have been Obito fighting Naruto and Kakashi on their way to the Kage Summit.

1 sasuke didnt want the mangekyo because he had to kill naruto in order to get it

2 naruto has been on the path of light since ichiruka. sasuke was manipulated by the curse mark to become power hungry
avenger changed him immediately after it settled into his body
3 if he didnt want power he wouldnt have took itachis eyes

and since narutos goal was to be stronger sasukes goal was basically the same because every time naruto gets stronger sasuke gets jealous and kishi gives him a new power
1) Naruto had nothing to do with Sasuke's decision to get MS, the reason he didnt get MS before facing Itachi was because he didnt feel like he needed it. He was just that confident in his skills.

2) Sasuke was not manipulated by the Curse Mark. Sasuke was manipulated by Itachi since he was a kid to seek out power out of anger in order to get his revenge. Him being an "Avenger" has nothing to do with the Curse Mark.

3) Itachi left his eyes to him, what was he going to let Obito have his brothers eyes? Taking Itachi's eyes was the only logical decision, not to mention he had gone blind shortly after defeating Itachi because of overuse of his Sharingan... He literally had no choice.

4) This is another mistake, Sasuke has already said that he doesnt care that Naruto is stronger than him. He got jealous when they were younger because he say Naruto as a stepping stone. A worthy challenge to prove his strength, the fact that Naruto was beating him signified that he was weak and not worthy to avenge his families death. but after leaving the village he hasnt shown any sign of caring about Naruto.
 
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