Minato vs Hanzou

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Pretty much this. Minato takes this rather comfortably.



So feats don't matter to you? just hype?

Do you even know feats are?

him stalemating the sanin = feat. Him only losing to Nagato because he had lost his ways and was rusty = feat. So what do you mean "just hype".. Hype is something that has no basis. His does.

Not my fault Minato got more screen time than Hanzo =]
he was saying Hashirama = Sage of Six Paths before he even got feats. What do you think?

And I suppose we had Rikudou's feats. :rolleyes:
 

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- Hanzou not Tobirama, I never stated he would grab it... I'll give you that it is the same as basic odama rasengan.

- Hanzous poison takes no time at all; As seen The ninjas who didnt hold there breath were out ASAP no difficulty. And Kankuro who did hold his breath and block the Poison was still affected and went numb ASAP NO DIFFICULTY. Manga fact no disputing that it takes affect The moment you are exposed to it.

- Hanzou would not be distracted since he would escape from its range instantly! As seen he escaped easily and was completely gone from the seen. It basically shows his mastery of the tech to completely go out of range.

- Hanzou is immune to all poison, manga fact . He himself is a walking Hazard To every ninja around him without that mask protecting THEM, not HIM.

- Hanzou Never claimed Ibuse poison affects him, and the only Poison that is of rick is his Super poison. And even that will not kill him, it would just stun him.

- Minato does not have the sage mode chakra nor Spl Blood tech to summon the Sage toads. Manga fact:
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You require an extra ritual to summon Ma and pa. No ninja besides Jman has had the ritual and chakra to summon both ma and pa. And If he could (manga fact he cant, since he doesnt have sage mode) It would completely deplete his chakra summoning just 1 sage. lmmfao Please Use feats minato has shown not theories.

- In a what if battle you do not have the prep of having shit in other villages. Minato can only FTG in the battle field area, other wise it is a auto loss and forfeit since he left the area completely and Fled. That is Prep and thats like saying Naruto can have 100 Sage clones prepped, Kakashi has 5 minutes to charge Kamui, Shikamaru has a week to prep and set up traps in the world, Tobirama has set up explosive tages around the entire battle field before hand, Diedara has his landmines before fight starts, etc etc etc etc.

I can tell you know nothing about Hanzou to think Ibuse is the reason he poisons ninjas only. lmmfao

-It takes no time when it is of that magnitude. Minato can always FTG or shunshin away. And yes, of course when deling with such quantities of poison, closing your nose won't make a difference as an attack on body's cells can be done from the outside as well. When this poison cloud spreads, it will lose its high concentration of poison, and eventually become safer and safer. Ibuse takes five minutes to regenerate its poison cloud, meaning if Minato FTG's away from the first poison cloud, that are should be safe again in one minute since the concentration of poison would have severely reduced to the point when there are more oxygen molecules than poisonous particles in the air. None of this will affect a Minato closing his nose after the cloud has dispersed as dispersion rates of gaseous cloud are quick.

-Yes, I know he easily shunshins out, but what stop Minato from teleporting to one of his many Kunai's he already has placed and marking/using contract seal on Hanzo. Incase you have forgotten, Minato has around this many Kunai's [ ] and each one has a big radius in which he can teleport to [ ] [ ]. Minato can easily have his Kunai's spread out so that any escape Hanzo attempts would be covered by Minato's FTG radius.

-He is a walking hazard when he speaks. I doubt Hanzo will be speaking throughout the fight the entire time as it is quite distracting. Minato can kill Hanzo would one kunai slash or end it with one rasengan. Rasengan is a given, and his speed and strength are immense as shown here [ ].

-Kusarigma has shown to be the weapon Hanzo always wields, and thus would render him incapable of blocking Minato's FTG kunai's as they pass him and are readied for Flying Rajin v2. It is simply impossible to block 3 FTG Kunais going past Hanzo with that weapon. Hanzo gets a odama sized rasengan to his back, in addition to being marked by Minato, who may I add has great speed in marking [ ]. Moreover, Minato choses where to throw these, and with his radius, Hanzo cannot react accordingly as it is unpredictable where Minato will teleport to. Hanzo cannot summon Ibuse before Minato throws three FTG kunai's next to Hanzo and teleports to one of the three within its large radius. Nothing is implying Hanzo will even attempt to block the Kunai's with no intel, seeing as he has no reason to block 'regular' Kunai's that won't hit him (not that he can block them anyway).

-Gamabunta can use [FONT=Verdana, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Suiton: Teppōdama which would likely cause trouble for Ibuse if Danzo somehow gets the chance to summon him. Ibuse cannot tank such attacks as he has not shown any notable endurance feats. May I also remind you the [/FONT]Suiton: Teppōdama was capable of countering 4 Fūton: Renkūdan with 2 of Bunta's own. This is implying Bunta's power as Fūton: Renkūdan is Shukaku's strongest ability, hypothetically instead of TBB.

-I will just go by your idea of a fair match for now, considering he doesn't need Shima and Fukasaku to win when he can throw FTG kunai's beside Hanzo, and Hanzo not only can't block them, but also won't block them since they are no threat. Then Hanzo gets stabbed or rasengan'd to the head/back, thus allowing Minato to mark him, use contract seal, and possibly kill Hanzo.

-Hanzo is a prime target for someone like Minato's Flying Rajin level 2. He has shown to have a similar stance to Tobi when fighting, who as I recall got destroyed by Minato because he didn't dodge/couldn't block the FTG kunai. Notice the similarity [ ]=[ ]
 

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anyone who believes Minato solos or destroys, must be taking drugs today.

Hanzou is said to be on the level of the 3 Sanin.. well actually higher.. so ima give this one to hanzou.

anyone who believes Minato solos or destroys, must be taking drugs today

lol. how about the opposite? so much hate on this.
 

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Minato takes this. 30meters is too close of a distance for someone like Minato who can cross huge kilometer distances in mere seconds. Even if Hanzo were to survive the initial attack, after he gets marked, it would be over and no Hanzo won't even get time to prepare his summon's poison gas, let alone use it in this battle when you know how long it takes for his summon to gather it

agreed.........!
 

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-It takes no time when it is of that magnitude. Minato can always FTG or shunshin away. And yes, of course when deling with such quantities of poison, closing your nose won't make a difference as an attack on body's cells can be done from the outside as well. When this poison cloud spreads, it will lose its high concentration of poison, and eventually become safer and safer. Ibuse takes five minutes to regenerate its poison cloud, meaning if Minato FTG's away from the first poison cloud, that are should be safe again in one minute since the concentration of poison would have severely reduced to the point when there are more oxygen molecules than poisonous particles in the air. None of this will affect a Minato closing his nose after the cloud has dispersed as dispersion rates of gaseous cloud are quick.

-Yes, I know he easily shunshins out, but what stop Minato from teleporting to one of his many Kunai's he already has placed and marking/using contract seal on Hanzo. Incase you have forgotten, Minato has around this many Kunai's [ ] and each one has a big radius in which he can teleport to [ ] [ ]. Minato can easily have his Kunai's spread out so that any escape Hanzo attempts would be covered by Minato's FTG radius.

-He is a walking hazard when he speaks. I doubt Hanzo will be speaking throughout the fight the entire time as it is quite distracting. Minato can kill Hanzo would one kunai slash or end it with one rasengan. Rasengan is a given, and his speed and strength are immense as shown here [ ].

-Kusarigma has shown to be the weapon Hanzo always wields, and thus would render him incapable of blocking Minato's FTG kunai's as they pass him and are readied for Flying Rajin v2. It is simply impossible to block 3 FTG Kunais going past Hanzo with that weapon. Hanzo gets a odama sized rasengan to his back, in addition to being marked by Minato, who may I add has great speed in marking [ ]. Moreover, Minato choses where to throw these, and with his radius, Hanzo cannot react accordingly as it is unpredictable where Minato will teleport to. Hanzo cannot summon Ibuse before Minato throws three FTG kunai's next to Hanzo and teleports to one of the three within its large radius. Nothing is implying Hanzo will even attempt to block the Kunai's with no intel, seeing as he has no reason to block 'regular' Kunai's that won't hit him (not that he can block them anyway).

-Gamabunta can use [FONT=Verdana, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Suiton: Teppōdama which would likely cause trouble for Ibuse if Danzo somehow gets the chance to summon him. Ibuse cannot tank such attacks as he has not shown any notable endurance feats. May I also remind you the [/FONT]Suiton: Teppōdama was capable of countering 4 Fūton: Renkūdan with 2 of Bunta's own. This is implying Bunta's power as Fūton: Renkūdan is Shukaku's strongest ability, hypothetically instead of TBB.

-I will just go by your idea of a fair match for now, considering he doesn't need Shima and Fukasaku to win when he can throw FTG kunai's beside Hanzo, and Hanzo not only can't block them, but also won't block them since they are no threat. Then Hanzo gets stabbed or rasengan'd to the head/back, thus allowing Minato to mark him, use contract seal, and possibly kill Hanzo.

-Hanzo is a prime target for someone like Minato's Flying Rajin level 2. He has shown to have a similar stance to Tobi when fighting, who as I recall got destroyed by Minato because he didn't dodge/couldn't block the FTG kunai. Notice the similarity [ ]=[ ]

- In a fair fight How Will he FTG Or Shunshin away if he hasn't set up anything??? This is what Minato does when he sets up Kunais:
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He spreads them at the start of the fight by simply throwing them everywhere with in range correct? Now ima show you how far and spread out they are:
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As you can see, they are not far from each other. In fact they are all in the immediate area so he can counter attack asap. With that being said, that is not enough to escape the range from the initial Poison Cloud Ibuse will make:

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Now as you can see the range of the poison cloud is far beyond anything minato can or will throw. Especially since he wouldnt know to throw them as far as possible. The reason Minato throws them in the immediate area is because if they were out of site, a counter attack would be dangerous since he wouldn't see what they would plan when he tries to FTG back to the battle field. And remember in this Particular Fight You are in hanzous Territory:

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So basically the first thing Minato would do is spread Kunai (in character), Hanzou will Summon Then create Cloud (in character). Off bat, you lose right here! lmao But Ill keep it going for fun.

- Not surprised you didnt read the thread and are not aware of his speed and reaction feats. He will react to everything Minato does that isnt behind him. He has shown above great reactions to be able to stop the fastest first step Blitz'er in the Manga IMO:
He Has Beyond Great Reflexes able to React to Mifune Blitz every time , and . And at the last second Reacted to Ibuse's sneak attack .
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And this is past his prime with reactions like this!

- Speed Equal Mifunes, since they tied on every occasion Mifune blitz or tried to blitz. And he is a user of the Body Flicker Tech as seen .
So in short, None of Minato Shunshin blitz will ever ever ever everrrrrrrrrrrr catch him by surprise! Like Ever, he is an extremely fast ninja as well with the body flicker to match. And his eyes are easily able to react to super fast ninjas. No ninja in the manga has been able to react faster then handseals can be create besides Mifune (fact). Yet he reacted perfectly before mifune can slice him up. So kill that Blitz crap when hanzou can blitz or go in and out of the Water in the location given to us. And when in the water he is perfectly safe.

- Minato will never be able to lay any seal on hanzou thanks to his great reaction speed and speed he posses. And with his Scythe Protecting him, minato would have to get rid of the scythe to make any body contact to place a seal.

- Rasengan isn't killing hanzou, just give that thought up. It wans't strong enough to kill tobi, it isn't killing hanzo.

- Hanzou doesnt have to speak to spread the poison, if you read correctly he simply has to breathe normally and any "NEARBY" human is instantly poisoned! Simply breathing normally made the area around him toxic! And if you havent Noticed Minato Fights with his mouht open allot. But I'll save that for the future. WIth out him knowing the area around hanzou is toxic, he loses asap if we keep them in character.

- Blocking Minato's Kunais are easy and dealt with asap the moment they are thrown. Why? Because Hanzou keeps explosive Kunais!
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So basically any would be kunai that would be thrown at him like at tobi, would be intercepted and blown up! And Any Kunai Placed on the ground also gets blown up:
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He will make every kunai that was placed by minato Bo... BOOM! Or he can let them stay there till the moment minato try's to FTG to one of them and then let it go off.

- Summoning Ibuse is simple and easy, it will happen no difficulty. Predicting minato is easy as well if Bee and Ate can do it. It is all about knowing where they are all placed. and Hanzou is a very smart elite ninja to keep track of them.
You have no idea what Ibuse can or cannot tank. So instead of saying he cannot just say he gets wounded if hit (unless you have manga facts), But Ibuse can easily go in and out of the earth or water in the area. LMAo None of Bunta's attacks will ever hit Ibuse, like everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!. Hanzou Blitz Bunta and slices him to poison him. There goes Bunta. lmao

- Hanzou can aswell throw and control his scythe and chain to knock all would be thrown kunais away no difficulty!
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And since he can control how it moves with his chakra, he will hit them all before they are remotely close in range! Basically kill that FTG Lv 2 strategy! Him and Mifune doing what they did was a Kenjutsu confrontation, minato lacks a weapon of that level that would make hanzou do what they did. ANd in case you haven't noticed minato likes to talk allot, that is a easy win when in close range! GG Poison!
 

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Minato beats him.
Hanzo has no method of hitting him. He has no doujutsu and may have good reaction time, but nothing compared to Minato.
 

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- In a fair fight How Will he FTG Or Shunshin away if he hasn't set up anything??? This is what Minato does when he sets up Kunais:
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You're entire post relies on the fact that Minato is beginning the fight by spreading out Kunai's. Againt Tobi, he didn't set up Kunai's. Against Ay and Bee, he spread out Kunai's as they were in a forest and it was 2v1. Saying he can't spread his Kunai's out more than that is amusing. Do you not recall he was the one who set up the four red yang formation Kunai's, which were this far apart [ ]. Each corner is one Kunai, meaning his Kunai range is far beyond anything we have seen in this manga. He can spread them out as he wills, or not spread them out at all. In a fight vs Hanzo, he doesn't have to spread them out since all he needs to do is throw 2-5 FTG Kunai's towards Hanzo, and teleport to one of them within the Kunai's range. Furthermore, Hanzo isn't wasting his explosive tag Kunai's on Kunai's which aren't coming directly at him. They will be far away from him, and Minato will take advantage of the radius of the FTG Kunai's, to one shot Hanzo with a kunai stab or an odama sized rasengan.

He spreads them at the start of the fight by simply throwing them everywhere with in range correct? Now ima show you how far and spread out they are:
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As you can see, they are not far from each other. In fact they are all in the immediate area so he can counter attack asap. With that being said, that is not enough to escape the range from the initial Poison Cloud Ibuse will make:

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Now as you can see the range of the poison cloud is far beyond anything minato can or will throw. Especially since he wouldnt know to throw them as far as possible. The reason Minato throws them in the immediate area is because if they were out of site, a counter attack would be dangerous since he wouldn't see what they would plan when he tries to FTG back to the battle field. And remember in this Particular Fight You are in hanzous Territory:

I already disproved Minato's kunai range. Thinking this is the range he uses in an open field with lots of space is fallacious. I have shown you the Kunai range of Minato. For one, if Hanzo attempts to summon Ibuse while a Kunai is coming his way, Ibuse comes out and Minato marks and rasengans Hanzo. Hanzo won't get the break he needs to summon Ibuse, especially at 30 meters. Even if the cloud is released, Shunshin is more than enough to evade it let alone FTG throw Kunai's. Too bad Hanzo doesn't get the opportunity to summon Ibuse... Let alone the fact that once Minato FTG's/Shunshin's away, Hanzo isn't dealing a lethal attack. Hanzou's territory or not, he has no advantage that we know of their.


So basically the first thing Minato would do is spread Kunai (in character), Hanzou will Summon Then create Cloud (in character). Off bat, you lose right here! lmao But Ill keep it going for fun.

- Not surprised you didnt read the thread and are not aware of his speed and reaction feats. He will react to everything Minato does that isnt behind him. He has shown above great reactions to be able to stop the fastest first step Blitz'er in the Manga IMO:

So in short, None of Minato Shunshin blitz will ever ever ever everrrrrrrrrrrr catch him by surprise! Like Ever, he is an extremely fast ninja as well with the body flicker to match. And his eyes are easily able to react to super fast ninjas. No ninja in the manga has been able to react faster then handseals can be create besides Mifune (fact). Yet he reacted perfectly before mifune can slice him up. So kill that Blitz crap when hanzou can blitz or go in and out of the Water in the location given to us. And when in the water he is perfectly safe.

Again, you are acting as if Ibuse is summoned before Minato blitzes Hanzo with shunshin/FTG. Minato doesn't spread out Kunai in character.. He throws a Kunai in character, or many if he is outnumbered or sometime deep in the match. Don't get me started with the already lost GG attitude..
Hanzo's shunshin isn't a speed feat. Anyone could do that feat, and it doesn't show us the initial speed of the should dragon in the first place. FTG kunai's are than regular Kunai's, so regular Kunai's will be deflected. Those were exploding papers without Kunai's as seen here [ ]. It isn't a reaction speed or movement feat either. You can see he was their looking at it [ ] while it was stationary. He had all the time in the world to react once it attacked, he was expecting it, and we can't say if it was slow or fast, so it is a fearless accomplishment by Hanzo. The thing that really amuses me is the fact that you hunk this will in anyway help Hanzo react to Minato's Shunshin or Mianto's FTG, when not only will he not see it, but also not expect it (FTG). Mifune isn't known for immense speed. Him countering Mifune's sword is a partial reaction speed feat, still not even comparable to Minato Shunshin or FTG speed. Hashirama fought on par with Madara speed wise. Tobirama kept up with Hashirama in Shunshin. Minato far outclassed the two of them, and OBD claims the two are Massively Hypersonic, while Minato outclasses that in shunshin. Minato's FTG is considered speed of light since it is teleportation. Hanzo isn't reacting to Minato because he could read to a fearless soul dragon and a decently paced Mifune. However, even with this refuting your argument, you still have no movement speed feat for Hanzo. Him using shunshin and reappearing somewhere else a few chapter later isn't really a movement speed feat. Stop your hype and speak by feats, unfortunately Hanzo doesn't have many and we aren't going to assume he can do things he hasn't proven to be capable of, so he isn't given the feat. The location is the hidden rain, only because it is there does not mean the ground is flooded with enough water for Hanzo to swim in.

- Minato will never be able to lay any seal on hanzou thanks to his great reaction speed and speed he posses. And with his Scythe Protecting him, minato would have to get rid of the scythe to make any body contact to place a seal.

- Rasengan isn't killing hanzou, just give that thought up. It wans't strong enough to kill tobi, it isn't killing hanzo.

- Hanzou doesnt have to speak to spread the poison, if you read correctly he simply has to breathe normally and any "NEARBY" human is instantly poisoned! Simply breathing normally made the area around him toxic! And if you havent Noticed Minato Fights with his mouht open allot. But I'll save that for the future. WIth out him knowing the area around hanzou is toxic, he loses asap if we keep them in character.

- Blocking Minato's Kunais are easy and dealt with asap the moment they are thrown. Why? Because Hanzou keeps explosive Kunais!
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So basically any would be kunai that would be thrown at him like at tobi, would be intercepted and blown up! And Any Kunai Placed on the ground also gets blown up:
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He will make every kunai that was placed by minato Bo... BOOM! Or he can let them stay there till the moment minato try's to FTG to one of them and then let it go off.

I have refuted your point, no reason in me restating its featlessness. No he doesn't.. His Scythe isn't blocking something behind him.. Minato can teleport behind Hanzo given the FTG range. His scythe itself can be tagged, giving Minato an advantage in immobilising it while he uses contract seal and marks him (presuming he somehow summoned, which he won't). Tobi lost his hand and was smashed to the ground. Nothing is implying Hanzo has any durability feats anyways. Once rasengan is hit, Hanzo is indubitably marked, I don't have to elaborate why he loses once he's marked. Don't forget the kunai stab sliced through the Hachibi's tail effortlessly, while Minato was able to put a mark so fast Ay and Bee didn't even notice it. The amount of poison spread when he speaks isn't sufficient to kill unless you can bring me proof of it. Moreover, he would have to breathe right into Minato's face to poison him, since low quantities and concentrations are easily dispersed.

No it isn't I shown you Kunai's get deflected even when they are explosive Kunai's. Summoning explosive tags in which he summons explosive Kunai's consecutively on the ground. No kunai in such a technique was shown. Hanzo isn't putting down his Scythe, taking explosive kunai tags out, throwing them at Kunai's which aren't even aimed at him, before Minato's Kunai's reach or Minato decides to Shunshin blitz a defenceless Hanzo with no Scythe, with hand on the floor, may I add. Explosive Kunai's that are with tags aren't breaking/burning FTG Kunai's. Fire's heat isn't enough to burn through Iron, and FTG has durability feats far beyond a explosive tag. Saying the mark will go is absurd. Obito went through 1000's of paper bombs with his body and still had the mark on him. Izanagi doesn't bring back something the user does't want/isn't part of his chakra unless you can differ. Obito wouldn't have had to wait for Kushina's seal to weaken if he could simply cut it off, but that isn't the case in FTG.

- Summoning Ibuse is simple and easy, it will happen no difficulty. Predicting minato is easy as well if Bee and Ate can do it. It is all about knowing where they are all placed. and Hanzou is a very smart elite ninja to keep track of them.
You have no idea what Ibuse can or cannot tank. So instead of saying he cannot just say he gets wounded if hit (unless you have manga facts), But Ibuse can easily go in and out of the earth or water in the area. LMAo None of Bunta's attacks will ever hit Ibuse, like everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!. Hanzou Blitz Bunta and slices him to poison him. There goes Bunta. lmao

- Hanzou can aswell throw and control his scythe and chain to knock all would be thrown kunais away no difficulty!
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And since he can control how it moves with his chakra, he will hit them all before they are remotely close in range! Basically kill that FTG Lv 2 strategy! Him and Mifune doing what they did was a Kenjutsu confrontation, minato lacks a weapon of that level that would make hanzou do what they did. ANd in case you haven't noticed minato likes to talk allot, that is a easy win when in close range! GG Poison!

Shunshin blitz is even easier, FTG blitz is as well. Ay has reaction speeds sufficient enough to counter amateratsu. Bee could've been killed by Minato the second he appeared, but Minato chose not to unless you are willing to claim Bee has reaction speed equal to the speed of light. This doesn't alter that Bee has great reaction speeds on the other hand.. Bee was capable of reacting to Sasuke from close range, and counter. He was able to react to Minato's plan to outsmart Ay, and threw a tentacle at Minato in time [ ]. Assumption to think he can keep track of him. Hachibi's tail is more durable than human skin, and odama sized rasengan took out Obito's hand. Both of these will leave a normal human unable to quickly proceed, allowing Minato to end this rather easily once he lands a hit. Bunta has suitor, and Hanzo has no feats regarding good movement speed. How does he blitz him to be exact? Don't get me Mifune comparisons, nothing suggests Mifune could blitz Bunta. Suiton attacks destroy Ibuse. They were on par with Shukaku's strongest attacks..
How does controlling a chain allow him to tank Kunai's? In which he can throw several at once in different directions. If the chain is used to block a Kunai, Minato can teleport to the blocked Kunai, mark the chain, and teleport back. I don't need to elaborate on this point since once anything Hanzo has is marked, Hanzo gets stomped.
Proof of him controlling the chain with his chakra? Not that it matters, but I don't recall this. Post a scan please. Minato only talks when resolving things. Him talking can't be factored in a debate lmao. He doesn't need to talk unless he has to resolve issues or you have absurd jutsu. Other than that, he barely speaks not that it can be used as a feat or something since we aren't simulating a manga confrontation. Blitz in the beginning ends this rather leniently.
 

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You're entire post relies on the fact that Minato is beginning the fight by spreading out Kunai's. Againt Tobi, he didn't set up Kunai's. Against Ay and Bee, he spread out Kunai's as they were in a forest and it was 2v1. Saying he can't spread his Kunai's out more than that is amusing. Do you not recall he was the one who set up the four red yang formation Kunai's, which were this far apart [ ]. Each corner is one Kunai, meaning his Kunai range is far beyond anything we have seen in this manga. He can spread them out as he wills, or not spread them out at all. In a fight vs Hanzo, he doesn't have to spread them out since all he needs to do is throw 2-5 FTG Kunai's towards Hanzo, and teleport to one of them within the Kunai's range. Furthermore, Hanzo isn't wasting his explosive tag Kunai's on Kunai's which aren't coming directly at him. They will be far away from him, and Minato will take advantage of the radius of the FTG Kunai's, to one shot Hanzo with a kunai stab or an odama sized rasengan.



I already disproved Minato's kunai range. Thinking this is the range he uses in an open field with lots of space is fallacious. I have shown you the Kunai range of Minato. For one, if Hanzo attempts to summon Ibuse while a Kunai is coming his way, Ibuse comes out and Minato marks and rasengans Hanzo. Hanzo won't get the break he needs to summon Ibuse, especially at 30 meters. Even if the cloud is released, Shunshin is more than enough to evade it let alone FTG throw Kunai's. Too bad Hanzo doesn't get the opportunity to summon Ibuse... Let alone the fact that once Minato FTG's/Shunshin's away, Hanzo isn't dealing a lethal attack. Hanzou's territory or not, he has no advantage that we know of their.




Again, you are acting as if Ibuse is summoned before Minato blitzes Hanzo with shunshin/FTG. Minato doesn't spread out Kunai in character.. He throws a Kunai in character, or many if he is outnumbered or sometime deep in the match. Don't get me started with the already lost GG attitude..
Hanzo's shunshin isn't a speed feat. Anyone could do that feat, and it doesn't show us the initial speed of the should dragon in the first place. FTG kunai's are than regular Kunai's, so regular Kunai's will be deflected. Those were exploding papers without Kunai's as seen here [ ]. It isn't a reaction speed or movement feat either. You can see he was their looking at it [ ] while it was stationary. He had all the time in the world to react once it attacked, he was expecting it, and we can't say if it was slow or fast, so it is a fearless accomplishment by Hanzo. The thing that really amuses me is the fact that you hunk this will in anyway help Hanzo react to Minato's Shunshin or Mianto's FTG, when not only will he not see it, but also not expect it (FTG). Mifune isn't known for immense speed. Him countering Mifune's sword is a partial reaction speed feat, still not even comparable to Minato Shunshin or FTG speed. Hashirama fought on par with Madara speed wise. Tobirama kept up with Hashirama in Shunshin. Minato far outclassed the two of them, and OBD claims the two are Massively Hypersonic, while Minato outclasses that in shunshin. Minato's FTG is considered speed of light since it is teleportation. Hanzo isn't reacting to Minato because he could read to a fearless soul dragon and a decently paced Mifune. However, even with this refuting your argument, you still have no movement speed feat for Hanzo. Him using shunshin and reappearing somewhere else a few chapter later isn't really a movement speed feat. Stop your hype and speak by feats, unfortunately Hanzo doesn't have many and we aren't going to assume he can do things he hasn't proven to be capable of, so he isn't given the feat. The location is the hidden rain, only because it is there does not mean the ground is flooded with enough water for Hanzo to swim in.



I have refuted your point, no reason in me restating its featlessness. No he doesn't.. His Scythe isn't blocking something behind him.. Minato can teleport behind Hanzo given the FTG range. His scythe itself can be tagged, giving Minato an advantage in immobilising it while he uses contract seal and marks him (presuming he somehow summoned, which he won't). Tobi lost his hand and was smashed to the ground. Nothing is implying Hanzo has any durability feats anyways. Once rasengan is hit, Hanzo is indubitably marked, I don't have to elaborate why he loses once he's marked. Don't forget the kunai stab sliced through the Hachibi's tail effortlessly, while Minato was able to put a mark so fast Ay and Bee didn't even notice it. The amount of poison spread when he speaks isn't sufficient to kill unless you can bring me proof of it. Moreover, he would have to breathe right into Minato's face to poison him, since low quantities and concentrations are easily dispersed.

No it isn't I shown you Kunai's get deflected even when they are explosive Kunai's. Summoning explosive tags in which he summons explosive Kunai's consecutively on the ground. No kunai in such a technique was shown. Hanzo isn't putting down his Scythe, taking explosive kunai tags out, throwing them at Kunai's which aren't even aimed at him, before Minato's Kunai's reach or Minato decides to Shunshin blitz a defenceless Hanzo with no Scythe, with hand on the floor, may I add. Explosive Kunai's that are with tags aren't breaking/burning FTG Kunai's. Fire's heat isn't enough to burn through Iron, and FTG has durability feats far beyond a explosive tag. Saying the mark will go is absurd. Obito went through 1000's of paper bombs with his body and still had the mark on him. Izanagi doesn't bring back something the user does't want/isn't part of his chakra unless you can differ. Obito wouldn't have had to wait for Kushina's seal to weaken if he could simply cut it off, but that isn't the case in FTG.



Shunshin blitz is even easier, FTG blitz is as well. Ay has reaction speeds sufficient enough to counter amateratsu. Bee could've been killed by Minato the second he appeared, but Minato chose not to unless you are willing to claim Bee has reaction speed equal to the speed of light. This doesn't alter that Bee has great reaction speeds on the other hand.. Bee was capable of reacting to Sasuke from close range, and counter. He was able to react to Minato's plan to outsmart Ay, and threw a tentacle at Minato in time [ ]. Assumption to think he can keep track of him. Hachibi's tail is more durable than human skin, and odama sized rasengan took out Obito's hand. Both of these will leave a normal human unable to quickly proceed, allowing Minato to end this rather easily once he lands a hit. Bunta has suitor, and Hanzo has no feats regarding good movement speed. How does he blitz him to be exact? Don't get me Mifune comparisons, nothing suggests Mifune could blitz Bunta. Suiton attacks destroy Ibuse. They were on par with Shukaku's strongest attacks..
How does controlling a chain allow him to tank Kunai's? In which he can throw several at once in different directions. If the chain is used to block a Kunai, Minato can teleport to the blocked Kunai, mark the chain, and teleport back. I don't need to elaborate on this point since once anything Hanzo has is marked, Hanzo gets stomped.
Proof of him controlling the chain with his chakra? Not that it matters, but I don't recall this. Post a scan please. Minato only talks when resolving things. Him talking can't be factored in a debate lmao. He doesn't need to talk unless he has to resolve issues or you have absurd jutsu. Other than that, he barely speaks not that it can be used as a feat or something since we aren't simulating a manga confrontation. Blitz in the beginning ends this rather leniently.

Lmao Im not even going to waist time countering you since you ignor manga facts. Mifune is indeed a speed demon, Minato and hanzou both can blitz, you ignor hanzo yet credit minato? Lmao They both uses it and they both are fast in base. Minato blitz are not impressive in the lightest in terms of killing ninjas off bat. His only blitz feat was saving his son from getting stabbed by a slow as striking motion by tobi who only wanted to separate them from kushina (manga fact). SHow one ninja that got killed or marked with out the use of FTG. Show him being faster then Mifune in foot speed (i.e. Killing a ninja with only the movements of there hands. No ninja in the manga besides the Raikages has shown to be that fast btw).

Then you try to use OBD as if that holds any meaning since they do not have anything on hanzo. When you use ODB you use it for both ninjas equally not the one you want to win. Learn how to use that method of Debating.

Minato does not instantly grab 3 kunais, they do not instantly appear behind or next to the opponent. Don't know where you got that Idea from. Manga Scan please! Hanzo Summons Ibuse Instantly SInce it is a space time jutsu (manga fact). You basically said minato Base is faster then Space time ninjutsu. lmmfao If that were the case he wouldnt need the use of FTG. He has nothing to stop Ibuse From coming. Then if minato uses your weak Strategy Ibuse will immediatly poison the area and the kunais that were thrown!

If Minato breathe he loses. Simple logic. Since this is no knowledge, the moment he enters range he loses. What do you not get? Hanzo has 2 methods of ending it off bat with your weak argument. I'm busy and cannot reply properly, but from what i skimmed over, your argument is baseless assumptions of what you want hanzou to to and what you want minato to do. That's not how you debate kid, i tell what hanzou will do (in character), and you say what minato could do (in character).
 

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Lmao Im not even going to waist time countering you since you ignor manga facts. Mifune is indeed a speed demon, Minato and hanzou both can blitz, you ignor hanzo yet credit minato? Lmao They both uses it and they both are fast in base. Minato blitz are not impressive in the lightest in terms of killing ninjas off bat. His only blitz feat was saving his son from getting stabbed by a slow as striking motion by tobi who only wanted to separate them from kushina (manga fact). SHow one ninja that got killed or marked with out the use of FTG. Show him being faster then Mifune in foot speed (i.e. Killing a ninja with only the movements of there hands. No ninja in the manga besides the Raikages has shown to be that fast btw).

Then you try to use OBD as if that holds any meaning since they do not have anything on hanzo. When you use ODB you use it for both ninjas equally not the one you want to win. Learn how to use that method of Debating.

Minato does not instantly grab 3 kunais, they do not instantly appear behind or next to the opponent. Don't know where you got that Idea from. Manga Scan please! Hanzo Summons Ibuse Instantly SInce it is a space time jutsu (manga fact). You basically said minato Base is faster then Space time ninjutsu. lmmfao If that were the case he wouldnt need the use of FTG. He has nothing to stop Ibuse From coming. Then if minato uses your weak Strategy Ibuse will immediatly poison the area and the kunais that were thrown!

If Minato breathe he loses. Simple logic. Since this is no knowledge, the moment he enters range he loses. What do you not get? Hanzo has 2 methods of ending it off bat with your weak argument. I'm busy and cannot reply properly, but from what i skimmed over, your argument is baseless assumptions of what you want hanzou to to and what you want minato to do. That's not how you debate kid, i tell what hanzou will do (in character), and you say what minato could do (in character).

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anyone who believes Minato solos or destroys, must be taking drugs today.

Hanzou is said to be on the level of the 3 Sanin.. well actually higher.. so ima give this one to hanzou.
Again with your hype thing that has nothing to do in the battledome. The funniest thing in it is that even by hype, Minato's hype is far greater than the sannins or Hanzo combined
 

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I'm not a Minato fan , but he would solo that fodder U_U
 

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Again with your hype thing that has nothing to do in the battledome. The funniest thing in it is that even by hype, Minato's hype is far greater than the sannins or Hanzo combined

Minato's hype.. first of all he hasn't even been said to surpass the people who came before him.

- Next, hype is only a reference to his time and the people after his time.

- Oh also, its not my fault Hanzo wasn't given the screen time, and minato was. :)
 

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Minato's hype.. first of all he hasn't even been said to surpass the people who came before him.

- Next, hype is only a reference to his time and the people after his time.

- Oh also, its not my fault Hanzo wasn't given the screen time, and minato was. :)
I don't know where you got it like this especially when Raikage states himself that there was never a man that could surpass him [ ]. It doesn't count past people you say? And it's not the only hype he got in this manga. Do you really want me to show you all of them? Hanzo's hype pales in comparison to this
 

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I don't know where you got it like this especially when Raikage states himself that there was never a man that could surpass him [ ]. It doesn't count past people you say?

I don't think you even understand what that means. He has never seen a man who can surpass him. Again a reference to his time and the people after his time.

"Was".. Minato was in the past... hence the "was". Notice before that he specifically talks about Minato not being alive anymore..

Even Konoha anbu don't put Minato over the first 2..or the third.
 

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I don't think you even understand what that means. He has never seen a man who can surpass him. Again a reference to his time and the people after his time.

"Was".. Minato was in the past... hence the "was". Notice before that he specifically talks about Minato not being alive anymore..

Even Konoha anbu don't put Minato over the first 2..or the third.
No you're the one who don't understand. The "was" wasn't for Minato, but for the people who existed before him and from Raikage's point of view, none of the people who existed before him were on his level
 

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No you're the one who don't understand. The "was" wasn't for Minato, but for the people who existed before him and from Raikage's point of view, none of the people who existed before him were on his level
Was is for people after Minato's time. To surpass someone you have to be after that person..Otherwise he would've said Minato surpassed all the people before him. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Surpass: exceed; be greater than.

How can people who are dead surpass someone who is alive? come on use some sense man.
 

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Was is for people after Minato's time. To surpass someone you have to be after that person..Otherwise he would've said Minato surpassed all the people before him. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Surpass: exceed; be greater than.

How can people who are dead surpass someone who is alive? come on use some sense man.
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"Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth(Minato)"

"His capacity was unparalleled"
 

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Do you even know feats are?

him stalemating the sanin = feat. Him only losing to Nagato because he had lost his ways and was rusty = feat. So what do you mean "just hype".. Hype is something that has no basis. His does.

He "stalemated" The young sannins, We have no idea of their independent levels back then. he isn't going to stalemate the sannin as they are now.

He lost to nagato because Nagato was stronger. Not only did nagato defeat hanzo but all his guards at the same time. Rusty or not, Hanzo hasn't got anything on the Pain/Nagato that we know. Unless you think "Prime" Hanzo defeats Nagato or Pain?
 

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"Everybody pales in comparison to the fourth(Minato)"

"His capacity was unparalleled"
Again a reference to the people after him lol.

They can't talk about people who existed before Minato. On top of that Jiraiya's statement is a reference to Minato's "talent" or "potential" not his power.

He "stalemated" The young sannins, We have no idea of their independent levels back then. he isn't going to stalemate the sannin as they are now.

He lost to nagato because Nagato was stronger. Not only did nagato defeat hanzo but all his guards at the same time. Rusty or not, Hanzo hasn't got anything on the Pain/Nagato that we know. Unless you think "Prime" Hanzo defeats Nagato or Pain?
"young Sanin".. uh no they were easily Kakashi's age..

His loss to Nagato already has an excuse given by the manga. Hanzo obviously has something.. but not my fault Kishimoto hasn't shown or given him screen time.. its simply your guy's fault for using him, while knowing we don't know much about his power.
 
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