Hokage Minato vs The Gokage

[WolfHaley]

Then how did he know the jutsu, smartass?

The scroll Tobirama wrote Edo Tensei, Kage Bunshin, and FTG in. Minato can use it, but he cannot use FTG with Kage Bunshin.

What are you talking about lol? and what reply are you talking about?

And btw chill bro lol and for the record I can run debating circles around you if I wanted to.. Your no competition for me tbh.

Why? Once you get beat in a debate and have no counter, are you just going to play basketball or say your rebuttal got deleted?

Except it was already proven that alive minato used his ftg techniques that involve the use of clones when he was alive[

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]. Minato's chakra reserves as I said before are already good if you observe the said jutsu he used against obito during the nine tails attacks. Making a clone or two will not limit him from using his regular jutsu such as ftg or summoning.

We can infer from this scan that kakashi was particularly somewhat low on chakra yet still managed to make a clone.

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, by diving his chakra out by not too much just a enough for the clone.



Im already aware of this, i know very well km enhances one's abilities. But once again it has already been explained by the sharing of chakra and etc Minato can make at most 2-3 clones if necessary. I am not arguing living minato can make like 1000 without kurama's chakra. You can't just comprehend that by diving the chakra evenly and portioning it out minato can make plenty of clones

Not proof of Minato using clones and FTG at the same time. That attack has never been shown. If it does get shown, with Minato using clones and FTG, I will admit defeat. Until then, you are wrong.

Kakashi of all people(with his low chakra reserve) was capable to perform more than 20clones in his fatigue state and Minato couldn't?

Kakashi even said it was a bluff. The clones would not be able to perform a simple jutsu.

You are getting more and more idiotic by the second. KCM never had the chance to leave the war and learn jutsu's, meaning he knew how to use it before hand. More evidence supporting my argument is the fact that Minato had a jutsu which used Kage Bunshins in conduction with FTG, all which he certainly didn't have time to learn during the war arc. Your argument is the same as saying Vegito can't defeat Nappa only because he hasn't shown to, which may I add is a very desperate argument. If part 1 Naruto could do many Kage Bunshins yet he couldn't summon a full Gamabunta without the Kyuubi's chakra, than the Minato who summoned Bunta atop of the Kyuubi, and then FTG'd the Kyuubi to another village should certainly do more. Saying he can't without KCM is fallacious and a desperate argument.

Are you simple? Please read my argument. Minato cannot use FTG and Kage Bunshin together due to his low reserves. He knew the technique since he read the scroll that Tobirama wrote all of his techniques in. The same scroll Naruto learned Kage Bunshin in. KCM Minato has more chakra so he can use FTG and Kage Bunshin.

I guess Tobirama performed the Goshun Mawashi alone against Obito? [

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] Please stop this nonesense and read the manga? It's a technique they both know.

And you obviously missed the point. The point i'm trying to bring up is the fact that because someone use clones in KCM, it doesn't mean he can't perform it in base. And Naruto is the perfect example of this. Hell in base he has even shown to use much more clones than in KCM where he rarely uses more than 1 in battle. Doesn't mean he can't do more. It's for these reasons i find your argument laughable

Tobirama invented the techninque because he has the reserves to make clones and use FTG. Unlike base Minato. Base Naruto has higher chakra levels then. I did not say Minato did not know the technique. It was in the scroll with Kage Bunshin that all Hokages had access to. I never said Minato cannot use clones. I am saying his reserves are to low to use Kage Bunshin and FTG multiple times.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Are you simple? Please read my argument. Minato cannot use FTG and Kage Bunshin together due to his low reserves. He knew the technique since he read the scroll that Tobirama wrote all of his techniques in. The same scroll Naruto learned Kage Bunshin in. KCM Minato has more chakra so he can use FTG and Kage Bunshin.

"Are you simple minded"
Anyways, you clearly don't see my point. Minato has large chakra reserves, or at least enough to produce several Kage Bunshins. How do I know this? Naruto could only summon a

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sized summon without the Kyuubi's chakra. With the Kyuubi's chakra he could summon Gambunta [

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]. Note this is chapter 93-95

While normal Naruto without the Kyuubi's chakra, was able to summon tonnes of Kage Bunshins [

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], without the Kyuubi's chakra, hence why he doesn't speak to the Kyuubi beforehand, nor does anything imply he did [

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]. Note this is chapter 1.

Moreover, he once again used Kage Bunshins against Kakashi in the Bell test [

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]. They were eight Kage Bunshins [

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].
Note this was chapter 5.

Knowing these points, Naruto being capable of creating so many Kage Bunshins yet about 90 chapters later, he can only summon a tadpole from Mount Myokubo. Yet Minato, being capable of going through a fight, FTG'ing a TBB, summoning the very toad Naruto needed the Kyuubi's chakra for, yet could create 8-100+ Kage Bunshins (but Minato can barely do 1? lol?), teleporting something as big as 100% Kyuubi away from the village, sealing it, and adding his own chakra to the seal, can't even create a single Kage Bunshin. Please do not forget, you yourself just claimed Minato read through the scroll and know the jutsu.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I'll ignore you, you're a Minato fanboy. I have no time to entertain you.

You ignore me because you can't refute me.

Good debating skills mate.

The scroll Tobirama wrote Edo Tensei, Kage Bunshin, and FTG in. Minato can use it, but he cannot use FTG with Kage Bunshin.

He already did.

 

[WolfHaley]

You ignore me because you can't refute me.

Good debating skills mate.



He already did.

In KCM.

"Are you simple minded"
Anyways, you clearly don't see my point. Minato has large chakra reserves, or at least enough to produce several Kage Bunshins. How do I know this? Naruto could only summon a

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sized summon without the Kyuubi's chakra. With the Kyuubi's chakra he could summon Gambunta [

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]. Note this is chapter 93-95

While normal Naruto without the Kyuubi's chakra, was able to summon tonnes of Kage Bunshins [

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], without the Kyuubi's chakra, hence why he doesn't speak to the Kyuubi beforehand, nor does anything imply he did [

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]. Note this is chapter 1.

Moreover, he once again used Kage Bunshins against Kakashi in the Bell test [

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]. They were eight Kage Bunshins [

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].
Note this was chapter 5.

Knowing these points, Naruto being capable of creating so many Kage Bunshins yet about 90 chapters later, he can only summon a tadpole from Mount Myokubo. Yet Minato, being capable of going through a fight, FTG'ing a TBB, summoning the very toad Naruto needed the Kyuubi's chakra for, yet could create 8-100+ Kage Bunshins (but Minato can barely do 1? lol?), teleporting something as big as 100% Kyuubi away from the village, sealing it, and adding his own chakra to the seal, can't even create a single Kage Bunshin. Please do not forget, you yourself just claimed Minato read through the scroll and know the jutsu.

I know Minato can use Kage Bunshin, but he cannot use Kage Bunshin and FTG together in base.

 

[Bogard]

Tobirama invented the techninque because he has the reserves to make clones and use FTG. Unlike base Minato. Base Naruto has higher chakra levels then. I did not say Minato did not know the technique. It was in the scroll with Kage Bunshin that all Hokages had access to. I never said Minato cannot use clones. I am saying his reserves are to low to use Kage Bunshin and FTG multiple times.

Obviously only in your imagination. And who said that when Tobirama created the technique he intended to use it in combo with FTG? You're only making statements according to your feelings here, nothing stated in the manga

 

[NarutoIndra]

In KCM.



I know Minato can use Kage Bunshin, but he cannot use Kage Bunshin and FTG together in base.

What proof is there, or reasoning behind this?

 

[Transcendence]

KingPin and SSJ... Give it up. This thread portrays such demolition on the account of Prince Charles, Kid Gamer and NarutoIndra, in regards to the debate.

 

[blazekev90]

IDon't see legitimate post from either side, the worse arguments eever.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

In KCM.

Tobirama did it in base, so why not Minato?

 

[WolfHaley]

Tobirama did it in base, so why not Minato?

Because Tobirama has more reserves.

 

[NarutoIndra]

He has not done so in the manga.

So? Only because he didn't do a combination jutsu, which is literally combining two jutsu's he already knows, doesn't mean he can't do it. This is already considered a feat, since it is 100% possible. That is like saying Minato can use rasengan with a clone because he hasn't shown to. It's using two jutsu's you already know to make a combination jutsu.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Because Tobirama has more reserves.

Says who.

Minato has massive chakra reserves.

Not Naruto level, sure, but they're high.


And it's not as if FTG requires a lot of chakra.

 

[WolfHaley]

So? Only because he didn't do a combination jutsu, which is literally combining two jutsu's he already knows, doesn't mean he can't do it. This is already considered a feat, since it is 100% possible. That is like saying Minato can use rasengan with a clone because he hasn't shown to. It's using two jutsu's you already know to make a combination jutsu.

He does not have the reserves. Or for some other reason. Keep going with your fanfiction.

That your spouting out nonsense?

Just because your favorite character has not done a feat in which you created in your fanfiction does not mean I am spouting nonsense. Read the manga.

Says who.

Minato has massive chakra reserves.

Not Naruto level, sure, but they're high.


And it's not as if FTG requires a lot of chakra.

Says who? We don't know how much chakra FTG uses. What we do know is that base Minato has never used Kage Bunshin and FTG together, unlike Tobirama.

Based on what?

He can do Kage Bunshin + FTG in base. He FTG BM Minato and Tobirama. He has the Senju bloodline in him.

 

[Bogard]

Just because your favorite character has not done a feat in which you created in your fanfiction does not mean I am spouting nonsense. Read the manga.

You should follow your own advice. Because someone hasn't shown a technique doesn't mean he can't use it. Hashirama didn't use the Flower tree world in the manga. I guess he can't use it? Keep on fighting the fight?

He can do Kage Bunshin + FTG in base. He FTG BM Minato and Tobirama. He has the Senju bloodline in him.

Jiraya isn't a Senju and i'm pretty sure he has more chakra reserve than Tobirama. Same goes for Sandaime Raikage, Kisame, Fuguki, Yondaime Raikage and many other ninjas. Tobirama has 3times the chakra of old Hiruzen at most, who has low chakra reserve compared to his prime. Nothing suggest he has more chakra than Minato.

Edit: And btw teleporting BM Minato is nothing impressive compared to to Minato teleporting 100% Kyubi, let alone Juubi's bijuudama in base since i rated BM Minato to be roughly 50meter when 100% Kyubi is 280m and Juubi's Bijuudama is more than 500meters

 

[KingHashirama]

if they believe Minato = 5 Kages.... buddha help em

This is internet ffs...

Something that is ran by people..So internet gives us the excuse to be uncivilized ?

 

[blazekev90]

Laughable and pathetic. Your attempt at belittling Prince Charles as well is childish and you shall be reported for such. As for the debate, you're not even debating. All I am witnessing is a lot of bias being spewed and you forcefully imposing your opinion on everyone that disagrees with you. You're an absolutely terrible debater and should stop posting immediately due to your lack of insight and intelligence.

If you thought those other post were any better youre bias as well.

 

[NarutoIndra]

He does not have the reserves. Or for some other reason. Keep going with your fanfiction.



Just because your favorite character has not done a feat in which you created in your fanfiction does not mean I am spouting nonsense. Read the manga.



Says who? We don't know how much chakra FTG uses. What we do know is that base Minato has never used Kage Bunshin and FTG together, unlike Tobirama.



He can do Kage Bunshin + FTG in base. He FTG BM Minato and Tobirama. He has the Senju bloodline in him.

1. He has the chakra reserves, I have already shown you his chakra reserve is large. Do you really read what you are saying? Minato can create Kage Bunshins and can use FTG many times as he had shown when he
a) Teleported Kushina and went back (2 uses of FTG)
b)teleported his son away to safety (2 uses)
c)Teleported to the fight scene and sent the 100% Kyuubi TBB away (2 uses)
d)Fought Tobi (2 FTG uses)
e)Summoned Gamabunta which I have already proved to take lots of chakra (Naruto could summon hundreds of Kage Bunshins's yet he couldn't summon anything large than a tadpole from Mount Myokubo)
f)Summoned something as big as the 100% Kyuubi to another village
g)Sealed the chakra within his son
h)Placed some of his own chakra into the seal

Now you tell me, if Minato were to create a single shadow clone when he can indubitably create more than 20, would he not be capable of using a jutsu like FTG, which has proven to be low taxing in regards to chakra? Minato can do more than 5 FTG's and summon Gamabunta in a short time period, yet he can't make a mere shadow clone in conjunction with FTG, and you are calling me retarded?
But of course, you are going to give off that ignorant attitude in which if Hashirama doesn't sleep in a bed on a panel=he can't sleep. I have proved my point, and everyone has argued against you. When everyone believes you are wrong and no one is siding with your argument, you are usually incorrect.

 

[Transcendence]

If you thought those other post were any better youre bias as well.

Non-applicable. I've reviewed this so called "debate". The only one with a shred of bias is the obvious Bogard, but Indra and Charles' input more than suffice in trouncing any counter-argument.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Says who? We don't know how much chakra FTG uses. What we do know is that base Minato has never used Kage Bunshin and FTG together, unlike Tobirama.

FTG uses next to no chakra as Minato usually spams it.

Even if it did, it would only prove Minato has huge chakra reserves.

Minato can obviously use FTG + KB as:

1. Tobirama used it and featwise Minato has more chakra than him ( Tobirama is a senju, sure, but that doesn't mean anything, since all we know is senjus have a lot of chakra ).

2. He used FTG after using way bigger techs ( FTG-ing Kurama+TBB, summoning Bunta, etc ).

It's madness to say he can't.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

I'm giving this to the gokage oonoki is the real threat gaara would be the second not as much tsnuade,mizukage, raikage would just be the back up support oonoki has years of experience. The heavy weight techinque is a haxed out jutsu able to stop 10 summons in its track.