Hokage Minato vs The Gokage

[HNIC]

-Did Edo Madara show that he is capable of using clones while in his living state? Obviously not, cause he needs Mokuton.

-Did Minato show that he is capable of using clones when he is alive? Yes, call it requires is the hand sign.


Its been proven that he can use clones while alive or Edo unless you have some legit evidence that shows he can't use them while alive due to whatever reason. KCM isn't an excuse when the only thing it would help with is chakra, and that makes no difference when people


-There is a scan of him using Shadow Clones when revived by Edo Tensei.
-Edo Tensei didn't give him anything that lets him use Shadow Clones.
-He can use clones alive or Edo.

The only problem here is you people who didn't see a scan of him doing it alive even though there is zero reason he can't do so. I'm gonna wait for you to bring a sufficient reason as to why he can't use clones while alive, there is no scan doesn't cut it in this case.



Once you make a contract you don't lose it and no, it obviously wasn't because of Orochimaru, otherwise he wouldn't be able to summon Aoda during the War Arc. He got a snake contract when he absorbed Orochimaru most likely.

-He got his snake contract. Giving him the ability to summon snakes.
-He got a hawk contract as well, letting him summon hawks. At the same time there is nothing stating he lost his snake contract when he lost Orochimaru.
-He displays that he didn't lose his snake contract after he lost Oro by summoning Aoda.

He never lost his snake contract. That's a fact.

He didn't have time to go make one after getting EMS even if he did lose it.

MS Sasuke gets snakes. That's a fact.

Why must i always argue with the same stubborn ones...

Madara was a bad example, im trying to think of jutsu used in differrnt conidtions. That's hard lol.

I'll try this one, those you'll probably agree just to prove a point. Thread "Obito who fought Minato" is wood release considered?? Ive never seen that before.

No it was proven he can use clones alive, it was proven he knew the seals to clones. There are a lot if shinobi who know shadow clone, hell if i remember correctly, it was required in the academy. However, users dont use for reasons, one of the being chakra.

Km "helps with chakra" while yes...it sure does. Helping with chakra can grant one abilities to perform jutsu that would normally be take a toll on their chakra. Kakashi/kamui usage for example and plenty of others. So while Minato may have known the seals to perform shadow clones, this does not mean he has the chakra to perform multple. This can't be denied, proof has shown using kyuubi's chakra enhances ones abilities.

Sasuke. There was NO proof of a contact to us while MS Sasuke was present. I said until later chapters, hence AAoda, when we became aware of this. Regardless if what Kish pulls outta his ass for plot, from what we knew Sasuke at that point had no snake summonings and was no longer team snake. Ive never seen ppl say MS Sasuke using snakes unless thats under the conditiins

Ima keep this simple. Base Minato may have the ability to use clones but we dont know the extent of this

Fact remains kyuubi chakra enhances jutsu, giving one abilties they cannot normally perform on their own. FACT.

I only remember Minato using clones in this form, with Kyuubi chakra. Without it Idk if he can perform one or none at all!

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[NarutoIndra]

Ina keep this simple. Base Minato may have the ability to use clones but we dont know the extent of this

Fact remains kyuubi chakra enhances jutsu, giving one abilties they cannot normally perform FACT.

I only rememebr using clones in this form, with Kyuubi chakra. Without it. Idk if he can perform one or none at all!

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It is naive to think he can't use Kage bunshins properly. He had a combination jutsu with his Bunshins and his FTG, saying his use of it isn't great is quite amusing. Clearly it does, but only because it enhances jutsu, doesn't mean Minato can't pull of ten Kage Bunshins considering his immense chakra reserves. Can't perform one without KCM? Yea.. The amount a user can do is judged by the amount of chakra the user has. May I remind you Minao had in one night, fought with Obito, used FTG several times on himself, Kushina, and baby Naruto, summoned Gamabunta, S/T barrier's a TBB from 100% Kurama, teleported Kurama to another village, sealed Kurama into Naruto, and then proceeded to add chakra into Naruto's seal. I see no reason to why Minato couldn't exceed a number of ten Kage Bunshins leniently.

 

[HNIC]

It is naive to think he can't use Kage bunshins properly. He had a combination jutsu with his Bunshins and his FTG, saying his use of it isn't great is quite amusing. Clearly it does, but only because it enhances jutsu, doesn't mean Minato can't pull of ten Kage Bunshins considering his immense chakra reserves. Can't perform one without KCM? Yea.. The amount a user can do is judged by the amount of chakra the user has. May I remind you Minao had in one night, fought with Obito, used FTG several times on himself, Kushina, and baby Naruto, summoned Gamabunta, S/T barrier's a TBB from 100% Kurama, teleported Kurama to another village, sealed Kurama into Naruto, and then proceeded to add chakra into Naruto's seal. I see no reason to why Minato couldn't exceed a number of ten Kage Bunshins leniently.

No, it is naive to state something as fact without any solid proof. Maybe I missed a chapter, but Minato in KM cloak using clones=/ alive Minato. I'm in school, if i was to try and present such an argument my professor would ask for proof or at least something to backup the claim.

I'm not denying him being ware of the jutsu, but we have NO idea what base Minato can perform. Until than, IMO, such statements are invalid for me.

"considering his immense chakra reserves." what's his chakra reserve boo? lol

ftg does not use masses of chakra, hell most (not all) of his jutsu use little chakra.

KingPin... Lol bro.. that's all I have to say.

... lol

 

[Oblivionx]

Gokage wins normally, but in this scenario Minato can pull it off. You removed Gokage's awereness start of battle something dangerous against a jutsu like FTG. Minato would simply use 4clones and quickly mark the opponent with each of them during the first attack you allowed him to do. After that, the victory is almost certain

exactly....! but it's just one scenario...! i think gokages win this high diff...! because catching minato will be a problem and he can use their jutsus against them if he marks any of them...! so gokages will have to put their back into it...!

 

[Prince Charles]

No, it is naive to state something as fact without any solid proof. Maybe I missed a chapter, but Minato in KM cloak using clones=/ alive Minato.

I'm not denying him being ware of the jutsu, but we have NO idea what base Minato can perform. Until than, IMO, such statements are invalid for me.

Lol bro.. You don't know how bad of a retard you just made yourself look.

does minato know kage bushin no jutsu? Yes.

Can he perform it? Yes.

Does he know how to use it properly? Yes.

Can alive minato use the jutsu? Yes.

Being a edo or having kurama has no effect on a jutsu he already had when he was alive.

 

[Bogard]

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All the Kage Bunshin does is splitting your chakra evenly. If you make one clone, it splits your chakra in half. If you make 2, it splits it in 3. If you make 3, it splits it in 4, if you make 4, it splits it in 5 and so on

Regardless of your chakra reserve you can still make clones since no matter how you split your chakra reserve, it will never reach zero

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The problem is more concerning the amount of chakra that each clone would have. Depending on it, you may maintain them for longer periods

 

[HNIC]

Lol bro.. You don't know how bad of a retard you just made yourself look.

does minato know kage bushin no jutsu? Yes.

Can he perform it? Yes.

Does he know how to use it properly? Yes.

Can alive minato use the jutsu? Yes.

Being a edo or having kurama has no effect on a jutsu he already had when he was alive.

Can tell me how many clones he can use...?

Are you simply ignoring the fact the he was in KM...?

I agree with all that, EXCEPT we can't attach feats on KM to alive Minato, wtf are ya'll still in high school? Who would approve of such arguments.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Minato has the nine tails inside him in this one doesn't he?

 

[Prince Charles]

Can tell me how many clones he can use...?

Are you simply ignoring the fact the he was in KM...?

I agree with all that, EXCEPT we can't attach feats on KM to alive Minato, wtf are ya'll still in high school? Who would approve of such arguments.

Bogard just basically explained it.. Sigh!

It depends on the chakra divided and etc. Use common sense bro and stop being picky.

Him being in km is irrelevant.

 

[NarutoIndra]

No, it is naive to state something as fact without any solid proof. Maybe I missed a chapter, but Minato in KM cloak using clones=/ alive Minato. I'm in school, if i was to try and present such an argument my professor would ask for proof or at least something to backup the claim.

I'm not denying him being ware of the jutsu, but we have NO idea what base Minato can perform. Until than, IMO, such statements are invalid for me.

"considering his immense chakra reserves." what's his chakra reserve boo? lol

ftg does not use masses of chakra, hell most (not all) of his jutsu use little chakra.

Your points are still rather wistful and they keep using the same logic. That is like saying Madara cannot use any Katon's because he never showed them when he was alive, implying these were given to him by Kabuto. Can you give me proof of him doing it? No. Can you give me proof of Kimmimaro tanking Ino's punch? No. Can you give me proof of Hashirama having the capability to sleep? No. These don't require knowledge to know the truth behind them, similar to my point.

What does a professor have anything to do with this? Professors that are studying in Biology believe in Evolution, can it be proven? No, do they believe in it? The majority of the time.

What? showed you how much chakra he used.. Teleporting the entire Kyuubi away takes a lot of chakra. Mianto himself said the size of what he is teleporting is proportional to how much chakra it consumes. Part 1 Naruto couldn't even summon Gamabunta without the Kyuubi's chakra, and he could summon tonnes of Kage Bunshins. This Minato summoned Gamabunta atop of the Kyuubi, teleported the Kyuubi away, the Kyuubi's TBB, fougt with Tobi, sealed the Kyuubi, and added chakra to Naruto. That is a hell of a chakra reserve, claiming otherwise is once again ignorant.
I agree, FTG only uses a lot of chakra when what he is teleporting is large, and the 100% kyuubi is about 5 times the size of 50% Kyuubi. Your points are invalid.

 

[HNIC]

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All the Kage Bunshin does is splitting your chakra evenly. If you make one clone, it splits your chakra in half. If you make 2, it splits it in 3. If you make 3, it splits it in 4, if you make 4, it splits it in 5 and so on

Regardless of your chakra reserve you can still make clones since no matter how you split your chakra reserve, it will never reach zero

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The problem is more concerning the amount of chakra that each clone would have. Depending on it, you may maintain them for longer periods

Thank you Bogard! I can always count on you to prove scans that can backup such claims.

btw which chapters are those? I want to see the context in which it was used

Bogard just basically explained it.. Sigh!

It depends on the chakra divided and etc. Use common sense bro and stop being picky.

Him being in km is irrelevant.

once again, I say this everyday. Users need to stop depending on someone else to validate their points. Why couldn't you do this yourself? Did you even know the reason.....never mind idc really lol

 

[Prince Charles]

Thank you Bogard! I can always count on you to prove scans that can backup such claims.

btw which chapters are those? I want to see the context in which it was used

this guy......

once again, I say this everyday. Users need to stop depending on someone else to validate their points. Why couldn't you do this yourself? Did you even know the reason.....never mind idc really lol

Except I already knew that... its basic common sense, no one should had explained it to you.. if you read the manga you would had already been aware of that.

 

[Bogard]

Thank you Bogard! I can always count on you to prove scans that can backup such claims.

btw which chapters are those? I want to see the context in which it was used

Can't check for the chapters at this moment, but concerning the first one, it's during Naruto's fight against Neji during the chunin exam. The last 2 ones i found them after the fight against Zabuza in part1(the second fight)

 

[WolfHaley]

I directed it towards all the people who think Minato can't use Shadow Clones while living, so no, I wasn't referring to you.

He knew how to use it. He read the FTG and the Kage Bunshin on the forbidden scroll, but he never used it in the manga while alive which means he has insufficient chakra to use it with FTG.

If you believe that Minato can't use clones when in Base then I'm sorry, but you are a massive idiot.

Show me scans.

I like how you think Minato learned the technique in the God of death's belly

Or he knew it, but knew he couldn't use FTG and Kage bunshin due to his not so great chakra.

You are rather ignorant or simply skim through chapters and assume that what you didn't read never occurred.

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KCM Minato > Base Minato.

 

[Klad]

Edo Minato wins this to 90% difficulty , alive Minato loses .

 

[HNIC]

He knew how to use it. He read the FTG and the Kage Bunshin on the forbidden scroll, but he never used it in the manga while alive which means he has insufficient chakra to use it with FTG.



Show me scans.



Or he knew it, but knew he couldn't use FTG and Kage bunshin due to his not so great chakra.



KCM Minato > Base Minato.

they ignore the importance of proof, which is why these threads suck so badly now. Everyone just accepts what they think is "reasonable"

 

[Prince Charles]

Are people still seriously suggesting living minato never used kage bushins before?

 

[HNIC]

Can't check for the chapters at this moment, but concerning the first one, it's during Naruto's fight against Neji during the chunin exam. The last 2 ones i found them after the fight against Zabuza in part1(the second fight)

So this is Naruto with Kyuubi chakra again?? That kinda changes things if that's the case. I looked this up myself

Based off your post. ASSUMING alive Minato can perform clones without chakra fatigue, it varies on what jutsu each can perform, which can be very minimum. Again, leaving me to ASSUME each can perform the same jutsu.

 

[WolfHaley]

Are people still seriously suggesting living minato never used kage bushins before?

Please read my post. I never said he couldn't use Kage Bunshin, but he could not use it and be comfortable with his reserves to use FTG or other attacks. When you respond trying to refute this, please don't use fanfiction.

they ignore the importance of proof, which is why these threads such so badly now. Everyone just accepts what they think is "reasonable"

I know. U_U

Hell, lets just give MS Madara Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, along with the Totsuka and Yata.

 

[Bogard]

Or he knew it, but knew he couldn't use FTG and Kage bunshin due to his not so great chakra.

*Sigh* I guess Naruto can't use clones in base because he uses clones in KCM lately. I don't even get this type of argument, sounds like desperation really. 2 of his techniques involve the use of clones(the rasen chourinbu kousanshiki [

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] and goshun mawashi that need 2FTG users). He even stated he used to use the rasen chourinbu kousanshiki a lot while alive. He can't perform it while alive? Lol ok