[Discussion] Who said Uchiha or Senju (pure-blood) have a lot of chakra reserves?

[Naijakid]

Only the senju are said to have tremendous amount of Chakra

 

[Beastbomb]

Its my understanding that so far to date, its only been the Uzumaki clan that has been stated to have large chakra reserves. However I could be wrong about this and am open to correction, but I also remember when Naruto was learn RasenShuriken. That at that time without Kurama's added chakra, that he had about 4 times as much chakra as Kakashi did. Now I know Kakashi doesn't have huge reserves, but that is still a big difference imo. Madara,Hashirama,Izuna,and possibly Tobirama are probably an exception to the rule, they clearly had decent chakra reserves.

 

[Mr Hiru]

And your proof is your statement that lifeforce is about healing and Mokuton jutsu...?


If what you are saying is true, then why is the Mokuton style so greatly affected by Kurama's Yang energy (Naruto's KCM mode)?

Edit: for your benefit, here is the scan. Notice what Yamato says in the bottom left panel:

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Thanks for posting it. That's exactly what I mean when I talk about Lifeforce/Yang energy.

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The Vitality, the Physical Energy, is the basis of the Yang Energy.

Shodaime's Mokuton style is greatly affected by Yang energy, that's why leaves are born in the wood he creates, just like Naruto's Yang Energy (or I should say Kurama, for the sake of clearification).

The reason of why Yamato has the Kekkei Genkai but not as much Yang Energy it's because he is just like a clone of Hashirama. The thing about Naruto affecting Mokuton style is the same thing happened when Naruto in KCM defeated the Zetsus in the war (who in fact are harvested cells of Hashirama, again).

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The common vertex between Zetsus and Yamato is that both were originally created from the Shodaime cells.

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If lifeforce were just chakra, every person who killed Zetsus would awake these leaves on Zetsus or in Yamato's Mokuton. The thing is, only Naruto with his Yang Energy did.

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Sorry, I forgot to mention about Mokuton and Healing abilities...

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Tsunade created Medical ninjutsu from the knowledge about his grandfather's techniques, but he could use healing abilities without forming seals... that reminds me he has tremendous lifeforce. That's the direct relationship between healing abilities, and the life breathen from his mokuton techniques.

Only the senju are said to have tremendous amount of Chakra

I'll ask you for the source of where is it said.

 

[Sarukazen]

pointless close the thread

 

[NaruSasuRival]

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Here they are.​

Thanks for this.

It state clearly that Senju have a lot of chakra while Uchiha have powerful chakra. The Uchiha have power as we have seen with Sharingan, but Senju last much longer in battle with probable regeneration for the gifted ones.

Basically, having a large life force is the same as having a lot of chakra since life force is the same as physical energy (energy of the cells). Thus, the Senju have large pool of chakra in general.

With no offense, the Uchiha do not have large chakra as individual. This is why they get exhausted quickly, but this is compensated by having powerful jutsus from Sharingan. It is only when an Uchiha takes the chakra of his brother than he can stand a chance against very heavy enemy. Madara knew it, and this is why he took Izuna's eyes to be able to compete with Hashirama for long period of time.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Thanks for this.

It state clearly that Senju have a lot of chakra while Uchiha have powerful chakra. The Uchiha have power as we have seen with Sharingan, but Senju last much longer in battle with probable regeneration for the gifted ones.

Basically, having a large life force is the same as having a lot of chakra since life force is the same as physical energy (energy of the cells). Thus, the Senju have large pool of chakra in general.

With no offense, the Uchiha do not have large chakra as individual. This is why they get exhausted quickly, but this is compensated by having powerful jutsus from Sharingan. It is only when an Uchiha takes the chakra of his brother than he can stand a chance against very heavy enemy. Madara knew it, and this is why he took Izuna's eyes to be able to compete with Hashirama for long period of time.

I understand the point you're trying to state here, and I partially agree, but not totally. What is really demonstrated about the Senju (using only manga references) is that they held physical energy, lifeforce, and if they're gifted by more Yang Energy they held regenerative abilities. But they don't have great chakra reserves, and my friend BlacLord provided the reason of why.

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To mold chakra you need both physical and spiritual energy. And as the descendants of the Younger Son of the Sage, the Senju clan members wield physical energy in great quantity, but that's not the case for their spiritual energy. Henceforth, it's not possible to state that they wield great reserves of both Physical Energy and Spiritual Energy, but only of Physical Energy. So they wield a common quantity of chakra, but this chakra is full of Yang power.

In the case of the Uchiha, they hold a common quantity of chakra as well, but this chakra is full of Yin power.

 

[Honord Sage]

Only the senju are said to have tremendous amount of Chakra

Wrong, The Uzumaki are use for keeping Kurama in check because only Uzumaki chakra is large and strong enough to keep Kurama in check, need prof? Mito Uzumaki, Kushina Uzumaki and Naruto Uzumaki. All Kurama Host have ben Uzumaki.

 

[BlacLord™]

Wrong, The Uzumaki are use for keeping Kurama in check because only Uzumaki chakra is large and strong enough to keep Kurama in check, need prof? Mito Uzumaki, Kushina Uzumaki and Naruto Uzumaki. All Kurama Host have ben Uzumaki.

The Uzumaki have great life force, nothing was ever stated about anything related to their energies.

And besides, did you forget about Minato Namikaze? The case of Kurama and it's jinchuuriki is not the same as Sasuke suppressing Orochimaru - It's not the chakra that suppresses Kurama, it's the seal, want proof?

Minato is suppressing Kurama with only a single, Four Symbols Seal.

 

[Floydical]

It almost seems like Kishi has equated stamina to chakra at some point in the course of the manga. That being said, you could argue that anyone said to have great stamina reserves (ie Uzumaki) also have great chakra reserves. In some instances of the manga, it seems as if a person is directly measuring the level of a Shinobi's chakra, rather than his stamina, thus implying Kishi equates stamina to chakra.

In this case, it seems that Kishi is indeed directly equating stamina to chakra, without molding being required, thus you could indeed argue that Uzumaki's have great chakra reserves:

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[Mr Hiru]

It almost seems like Kishi has equated stamina to chakra at some point in the course of the manga. That being said, you could argue that anyone said to have great stamina reserves (ie Uzumaki) also have great chakra reserves. In some instances of the manga, it seems as if a person is directly measuring the level of a Shinobi's chakra, rather than his stamina, thus implying Kishi equates stamina to chakra.

In this case, it seems that Kishi is indeed directly equating stamina to chakra, without molding being required, thus you could indeed argue that Uzumaki's have great chakra reserves:

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Exactly. That's because both of these concepts have the same origin: Physical and Spiritual Energy. It is not strange that any user who got plenty of both of these energies can be stated to have great amount of chakra / stamina, for instance, Naruto.

But there is a practical distinction. The reason of why Naruto is panting now in the war is simple... Naruto hasn't been able to recover stamina for some days, his own reserves of physical and spiritual energies are practically zero. In the other hand, Kurama has been providing him with molded chakra (not spiritual and physical energy, but already molded chakra) so Naruto can't transform that chakra back to spiritual and physical energy to get stamina, unless he have mastery over the Yin Yang Release (the knowledge to divide back these energies).

So, taking that in mind, it actually makes sense to say that even if Naruto virtually has unlimited chakra, he still can get tired.

 

[thegame]

Does it need to be written in the manga, before it is true? Pictures tell more tales than a thousand words (or so they say).

People say that Senju has strong chakra, because every Senju they have seen, were pretty damn strong on chakra. Also they say the same about Uzumaki for that reason, and Senju and Uzumaki are related somehow..

People say the opposite about Uchiha, because they have seen, that their techniques are very complex and powerful, but they cannot spam chakra.

However, there is no such thing, as consistency within a clan. There will always be those, that are weaker, but we they aren't represented in the manga, since they are uninteresting. So we have to judge from the strongest shinobi, we see. And they are from Uzumaki, Senju, or Uchiha. This is a fact. Thus we can easily conclude, that these clan are the strongest. Judging from their abilities, we can conclude, what abilities, that make them strong, etc..

If you want everything in black and white, you cannot get it. It would be uninteresting, as we would not be on this forum discussing matters.

 

[Honord Sage]

The Uzumaki have great life force, nothing was ever stated about anything related to their energies.

And besides, did you forget about Minato Namikaze? The case of Kurama and it's jinchuuriki is not the same as Sasuke suppressing Orochimaru - It's not the chakra that suppresses Kurama, it's the seal, want proof?

Minato is suppressing Kurama with only a single, Four Symbols Seal.

It has ben stated in the Manga By Kushina own words to Naruto when Naruto took Kurama power, that Kushina Uzumaki blood had special qualities to subdues Kurama, the Same way of Mito thats why of all the Uzumaki Kushina was chosen,Naruto inherit Her powers as Kurama Himself explain in the Manga, further Kurama said Naruto power had surpass both Minato and Kushina the amount of chakra He can handle and give out as He did to the Alliance is An Uzumaki trait,in other words a Blood Line in it self.

 

[flyboyissac]

only Madara, Izuna and Sasuke have huge chakra reserves from the Uchiha Clan.

wait what? madara has no life sasuke lasted long off hes the main characters boyfriend

 

[valandil988]

Chakra reserves can be either more potent in spiritual chakra as in the case of Uchiha or physical energy in the case of Senju.

The Chunin second exam scroll had a message written about training either your spiritual knowledge or your physical being to reach balance.

Naruto has massive chakra reserves far beyond any other because of his own unique circumstances. In this way he is likely the closest in body to the SO6P. Its not because of the Uzumaki clan that he has massive reserves. His physical body can produce lots of physical energy because it intrinsically has a lot of vitality Ie his body is naturally stronger than others. But this doesn't mean his chakra is more massive or his reserves are greater, this means his body can naturally produce more physical energy than say an Uchiha. His own spiritual energy is so under developed that it likely makes his chakra very difficult to control to say nothing for the yang kyuubi chakra.

Sasuke is at the other end of the spectrum, he has the Uchiha "eyes" or I would rather say "brain" as it is how the chakra produced by their brains effects the optic nerve. He has always had a lot of spiritual energy, but also has fair physical energy, likely above average for anyone else his age.

But what is interesting for both instances is that Sasuke and Naruto had similar experiences with the tree climbing exercise. Both more or less finished completing it at the same time. Both seemed to suffer from the same problem, chakra imbalance. Though naruto's case was likely more extreme. Sasuke had more spirtual energy where as naruto had more physical energy in his chakra "mix".

The physical energy of chakra doesn't govern how much a given individual has it is just one side of the coin. Both Physical and spiritual are needed for chakra production.

If someone trains their body hard enough anyone can have massive chakra reserves. Though I believe its far easier for Senju and Uzumaki to do this as their bodies naturally allow them to train harder to create these reserves. It just shows how driven Madara and Sasuke actually are...

 

[Naruto.]

Only some members of each clan had massive reserves. Itachi, for example had weak stamina and very less chakra reserves.

 

[osba]

Uzumakis were known for their vitality, not large chakra reserves.

there WERE known for their chakra reserves.. kakashi stated this.

 

[Naruto.]

there WERE known for their chakra reserves.. kakashi stated this.

Pretty much. That's why Naruto can spam 1000's of clones and use Sage Mode perfectly.

 

[Mr Hiru]

there WERE known for their chakra reserves.. kakashi stated this.

Naruto were known for this feature, I don't know about the Uzumaki in general.

 

[Touken]

Senju have a higher stamina than Uchiha due to inheriting the Body from SO6P and stamina goes hand-in-hand with chakra. If you're low on stamina, you barely have any chakra, and vice-versa.

I don't really know what 'powerful chakra' means but from what I've seen in the manga, all Uchiha members far excel in ninjutsu. Maybe their powerful chakra gives them the ability to learn and use high ranked techs from a younger age.

I'm sure about the Senju part but not the Uchiha part.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Senju have a higher stamina than Uchiha due to inheriting the Body from SO6P and stamina goes hand-in-hand with chakra. If you're low on stamina, you barely have any chakra, and vice-versa.

I don't really know what 'powerful chakra' means but from what I've seen in the manga, all Uchiha members far excel in ninjutsu. Maybe their powerful chakra gives them the ability to learn and use high ranked techs from a younger age.

I'm sure about the Senju part but not the Uchiha part.

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I really don't agree with the Senju holding great quantity of chakra reserves / stamina, told the reasons. Both are based on both Physical and Spiritual Energy, the Senju clan lacks the second type (so by logic they have moderate stamina / chakra with a lot of yang properties ).

Madara and Hashirama are exceptions, because they were the strongest among their own clans, but that doesn't make every Senju/Uchiha as strong as these two. That's a fallacy.