Kage Matchups Tobirama > Mei

[Retsu]

Tobirama wins this, he has ftg to avoid anything Mei can throw at him, not to mention his suiton suidanha can 1 shot her with ease from a distance, and he can use that move with clones. Mei has nothing to stop his ftg.

 

[Bogard]

Tobirama wins this, he has ftg to avoid anything Mei can throw at him, not to mention his suiton suidanha can 1 shot her with ease from a distance, and he can use that move with clones. Mei has nothing to stop his ftg.

Not that i disagree with the outcome, but what did that suiton actually do to become a one-shot jutsu? Because it was able to cut a bunch of trees without durability that even fodders could cut?

 

[Retsu]

Not that i disagree with the outcome, but what did that suiton actually do to become a one-shot jutsu? Because it was able to cut a bunch of trees without durability that even fodders could cut?

I didn't say he would 1 shot her with it, but look at this damage it caused

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if that jutsu touches her it's game over, if it doesn't out right kill her it will take a limb or two with it, this jutsu is one of the most offensive suiton jutsu's shown ever.

 

[Bogard]

I didn't say he would 1 shot her with it, but look at this damage it caused

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if that jutsu touches her it's game over, if it doesn't out right kill her it will take a limb or two with it, this jutsu is one of the most offensive suiton jutsu's shown ever.

Trees have never shown as much durability as ninjas. Cuting those fodder trees doesn't mean it can cut ninjas.

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When Kakuzu kicked Kakashi for example look what happened to these fodder trees, yet Kakashi received no damage from that

 

[Retsu]

Trees have never shown as much durability as ninjas. Cuting those fodder trees doesn't mean it can cut ninjas.

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high pressure water jets can cut thru steel, a ninja would not be any trouble to slice thru at all

 

[Bogard]

high pressure water jets can cut thru steel, a ninja would not be any trouble to slice thru at all

Why compare Tobirama's jutsu to that when it lacks such a feat?

 

[Retsu]

Why compare Tobirama's jutsu to that when it lacks such a feat?

it sliced thru the wood with no trouble at all, obviously kishi is implying that his water jet has extreme piercing power, and wood is harder than flesh in most cases anyways.

 

[Bogard]

it sliced thru the wood with no trouble at all, obviously kishi is implying that his water jet has extreme piercing power, and wood is harder than flesh in most cases anyways.

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Everyone was cuting those trees, including fodders or non-lethal attacks/swords like Samehada, Enma's staff or Madara's. These trees have shown no durability. One hit was enough to cut them

And once again, when Kakuzu kicked Kakashi for example look what happened to these fodder trees, yet Kakashi received no damage from that

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In this manga at least, ninjas have much greater durability than fodder trees that every fodder was capable to cut

Those trees he cut with his suiton have shown no durability to suggest it can cut a ninja

 

[Retsu]

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Everyone was cuting those trees, including fodders or non-lethal attacks/swords like Samehada, Enma's staff or Madara's. These trees have shown no durability. One hit was enough to cut them

And once again, when Kakuzu kicked Kakashi for example look what happened to these fodder trees, yet Kakashi received no damage from that

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In this manga at least, ninjas have much greater durability than fodder trees that every fodder was capable to cut

Those trees he cut with his suiton have shown no durability to suggest it can cut a ninja

wood is definitely harder than flesh, that is enough to suggest it can cut a ninja in half.

 

[Bogard]

wood is definitely harder than flesh, that is enough to suggest it can cut a ninja in half.

Yet neither Samehada nor Enma's staff have shown to cut ninjas. You're just ignoring feats for the sake of it

 

[TheEvilOne]

I didn't say he would 1 shot her with it, but look at this damage it caused

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if that jutsu touches her it's game over, if it doesn't out right kill her it will take a limb or two with it, this jutsu is one of the most offensive suiton jutsu's shown ever.

Wtf, Mei tanked a punch from the V3 Susanoo. Fodderama's D rank Suiton won't even scratch her.

 

[Retsu]

Yet neither Samehada nor Enma's staff have shown to cut ninjas. You're just ignoring feats for the sake of it

Kisame was debating on slicing bees legs off, and enma as a staff is said to be so hard, only the sword of kusanagi can cut him, and honestly, ninja aren't that durable that their skin is hard as steel, otherwise kunai would not be a threat at all and houses would be built from human flesh. Honestly I think you're so defensive on this issue because it gives tobirama a leg up in the debate of Minato vs Tobirama, wood is harder than flesh, and his suiton slices thru it like butter, that's all their is to it.

 

[Nattana]

Mei's body has shown exceptional durability.
Being immune to extremely high temperatures, acidic mists, taking a punch from Madara's V3 Susanoo without having any bone broken - pretty remarkable.

 

[Bogard]

Kisame was debating on slicing bees legs off, and enma as a staff is said to be so hard, only the sword of kusanagi can cut him, and honestly, ninja aren't that durable that their skin is hard as steel, otherwise kunai would not be a threat at all and houses would be built from human flesh. Honestly I think you're so defensive on this issue because it gives tobirama a leg up in the debate of Minato vs Tobirama, wood is harder than flesh, and his suiton slices thru it like butter, that's all their is to it.

Saying i'm defensive when i'm giving you feats but you keep ignoring them. Kisame stated himself against Asuma that Samehada is not a cuting sword. It can cut, but it's not the purpose of the sword. I'm only here to debate around manga feats, but it seems that something as simple as this is difficult for you to understand, reason why you try to turn the subject into a Minato vs Tobirama argument even when Minato isn't even in the debate. For your information, i don't care about what you think concerning the winner of a battle between them. If you want, i'll just leave it here then. It's the second time i own you in a debate and since you realise this, you either leave or try to turn the subject as always

 

[Europa]

Yet neither Samehada nor Enma's staff have shown to cut ninjas. You're just ignoring feats for the sake of it

That's because it's not meant to cut people.. It's a sword that shreds...

 

[Bogard]

That's because it's not meant to cut people.. It's a sword that shreds...

I know and it's what i'm trying to tell to the other guy but he refuses to understand

 

[Europa]

I know and it's what i'm trying to tell to the other guy but he refuses to understand

Hold up; Are you arguing against Tobirama??!

 

[Bogard]

Hold up; Are you arguing against Tobirama??!

No, i already said Tobirama wins this(low-mid difficulty for me). I'm only arguing on his suiton feat

 

[Europa]

No, i already said Tobirama wins this(low-mid difficulty for me). I'm only arguing on his suiton feat

Ooohhh....... Well, that's disappointing.

 

[Retsu]

Saying i'm defensive when i'm giving you feats but you keep ignoring them. Kisame stated himself against Asuma that Samehada is not a cuting sword. It can cut, but it's not the purpose of the sword. I'm only here to debate around manga feats, but it seems that something as simple as this is difficult for you to understand, reason why you try to turn the subject into a Minato vs Tobirama argument even when Minato isn't even in the debate. For your information, i don't care about what you think concerning the winner of a battle between them. If you want, i'll just leave it here then. It's the second time i own you in a debate and since you realise this, you either leave or try to turn the subject as always

lol, first off let me say you didn't own anything, you just said that tobirama's jutsu can't cut a person in half and I disagreed, you twist the manga to suit your arguments tho and I called you out on it, especially on kakashi and kakuzu. You claim that since kakashi got kicked and flew thru some trees that human flesh is tougher than wood, however that's not true, kishi only did that to demonstrate how powerful kakuzu's strikes were, not how durable kakashi is. if a genin tossed a kunai straight at kakashi's heart he would die, if he tossed it at a tree branch, it wouldn't even penetrate.

Tobirama's jet-stream sliced thru several branches that were thicker than most trees, and you claim it can't slice a person in half when we all know that wood is harder than flesh, I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.