Kakashi's Kamui is the fastest attack in this manga

[Flawž]

No bro, no. The manga already confirmed it U_U

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He tricked obito thats all. He had 3 other guys working with him in doing so.

Nothing proves his kamui is faster than Obito's.

 

[Draphsin]

That's kind of the same.
When it comes to sensors with obscured field of vision (like in this case):
Speed of sensing chakra = speed of noticing

Nobody's field of vision was obscured.

You don't know how fast sensors can notice chakra after its appearance, so saying that Obito warped faster than Karin noticed doesn't tell us anything about Obito's Kamui speed.

Yes it does. It tells us that obito can warp faster than a sensor can pick up on his chakra. This proves that sensing is useless against obito. It doesnt matter how long after chakra appears that a sensor notices it, the point is that they can't pick his up.

As for Kakashi's being faster, Obito clearly said "faster than the stake", implying not only that he didn't notice Kakashi warping the bunshin, but also that the warp itself was faster than Obito's warp of the stake.

Obito thought back to himself after remembering what happened. His sharingan was obscured & so he didnt see the full warp, & assumed that kakashi failed & killed the clone. He didnt see any of this happen with both of his eyes, simply his rinnegan eye.

Kakashi warping naruto when obito is in mid warp, & when only his rinnegan eye is looking is not as impressive as you make it out to be. We don't even know if obito could cancel it or not because he was in the middle of his own warp.

 

[Bogard]

He tricked obito thats all. He had 3 other guys working with him in doing so.

Nothing proves his kamui is faster than Obito's.

Obito states himself that Kakashi warped the clone faster than him releasing the stake out of the kamui dimension, smh you say nothing proves it when the manga clearly says the contrary? O_O

 

[Noni]

Its true actually u_u

 

[Oblivionx]

What counter is there for Kamui apart from FTG and Kamui its self?

force kamui user on defensive...! or clone technique can also be used to fool...! the thing is acording to manga relevant characters don't get one shotted so kamui may end any fight but it won't in single attempt...!

 

[NarutoIndra]

force kamui user on defensive...! or clone technique can also be used to fool...! the thing is acording to manga relevant characters don't get one shotted so kamui may end any fight but it won't in single attempt...!

If you can... Clone technique can be killed by Kakashi's clones, or the real user can be sniffed out with Ninken. Once they are found out, Kamui one shots the user. With a single attempt.

 

[Oblivionx]

If you can... Clone technique can be killed by Kakashi's clones, or the real user can be sniffed out with Ninken. Once they are found out, Kamui one shots the user. With a single attempt.

yeah that's what i was saying...! fool the kamui user...! means kamui user doesn't know about clone...! i was just putting up a scenario...! i didn't say that kakashi or obito would be defeated by clone...! i'm just saying that strong shinobis don't get one shot no matter who is opponent or what techs they have...! it's like saying minato is undefeatable since he can avoid any attack via hirashin...! same goes for obito's intangibility...! he can remain intangible for 5 min then go away from battlefield...! appear their and come back with 5 more mins of intangibility...! but it doesn't go like that in manga...! so nobody(strong) gets on shotted...!

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

false i believe hypothetical 8 gates madara casting tsukoyumi i know i spelled that wrong sorry with sage mode could hit him before kamui

or naruto with 8 gates bsm mode can do it too

 

[Flawž]

Obito states himself that Kakashi warped the clone faster than him releasing the stake out of the kamui dimension, smh you say nothing proves it when the manga clearly says the contrary? O_O

That doesn't prove anything. Just proves kakashi was faster to act even tho He had 3 back ups.

Obito's Kamui has the best speed feats second to only FTG. U_U

 

[Smd]

op- no its not

 

[shelke]

Obito's Kamui is miles ahead of Kakashi's. That stake argument is ridiculous when Obito's Kamui was hailed to be more advanced than FTG. Manga fact, repeated by Minato and then Kakashi. Karin is an automatic sensor and she failed to sense when Sasuke was warped. Hinata's Byakugan and Shino's sensing bugs were completely fooled when he wrapped himself to his pocket dimension. When canonically, Obito's Intangibility is much slower than warping himself or objects.

Then there is the issue of throwing objects out, which many saw coming. Naruto would have been sucked in had Kakashi not warned him. This says a lot about how fast Obito's Kamui is.

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

What warning does naruto have to bump to full speed?

if he was using kuramas chakra hed still have the negative emotion sensing and be able to react to it if it works the way i think it does plus nagato told him about the pressure that builds prior to amterasu

 

[Takos]

Obito's Kamui is miles ahead of Kakashi's. That stake argument is ridiculous when Obito's Kamui was hailed to be more advanced than FTG. Manga fact, repeated by Minato and then Kakashi.

Yeah, unless Kakashi's version is confirmed as inferior to FTG, then it's not even an argument.

Karin is an automatic sensor and she failed to sense when Sasuke was warped.

If you have any proof of sensors', Karin's specifically, sensing being automatic, then please share.

Hinata's Byakugan and Shino's sensing bugs were completely fooled when he wrapped himself to his pocket dimension.

That's obvious. When he warped himself to the other dimension, he kind of wasn't present in the real one.

When canonically, Obito's Intangibility is much slower than warping himself or objects.

No.

Then there is the issue of throwing objects out, which many saw coming. Naruto would have been sucked in had Kakashi not warned him. This says a lot about how fast Obito's Kamui is.

Speculation, speculation and even more speculation.


Kakashi's Kamui > Obito's Kamui in terms of speed. A manga fact confirmed by Obito himself.

Kakashi's Kamui:
-faster
-long-range
-offensive

Obito's Kamui:
-intangibility
-short-range
-defensive

 

[shelke]

@Takos

- This evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence is never a sound argument, when Kakashi himself called Obito's Kamui superior. I think he had Kamui by then, didn't he? So what kind of argument is that?

- You are joking, right? Karin sensed Naruto and Co while she was shopping. She could even tell which one was a dog. She can even tell Bushins apart, and the other automatic sensing feat was when they were hiding right after defeating Bee and she sensed Cloud Ninjas outside the dilapidated building. She was not kneading Chakra then at all. She is THE best sensor in the manga. Indisputable fact. If she couldn't sense when Obito warped Sasuke out of Jinton's boundary, then it should tell you something about its speed.

- No. The argument is speed. It happened too fast that even Byakygan couldn't see the dimensional tear which is mostly felt and seen by people.

- Yes. This was the whole reason Konan even prepared the 10 minute explosions - to force Obito to use up his 5 minutes Intangibility. She even comments that he cannot warp object faster compared to Intangibility. Don't know why you think otherwise.

- Hardly. Your points make no sense as they are unsupported by manga by far. Show me a single scan that proves so in wording and you win. As I said - fans interpretations. Obito's Kamui canonically is far superior. It goes together with the original Logic Itachi established that no one other than the Uchiha can use the Sharingan effectively. A fact that has never been challenged in the manga.