Kakashi's Kamui is the fastest attack in this manga

[Takos]

Of course he can

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Sure its different, but its his variation of using kamui to one shot.

If we talk about one-shotting fodder, then Kakashi one-shots two ROOT members with base Sharingan, gg.
I think you realize that such "one-shot" wouldn't work against any high-level ninja.

 

[Silent Phantom]

You know what I still don't understand, how Obito can use Kamui with just a three tomoe sharingan, every time someone phases through him or he sucks them in it shows he still isn't activated MS. weird!

Its because it would have gave away who Tobi was unless someone had stole Obito's eye.

 

[Draphsin]

If we talk about one-shotting fodder, then Kakashi one-shots two ROOT members with base Sharingan, gg.
I think you realize that such "one-shot" wouldn't work against any high-level ninja.

I just proved in my previous two scans that obito warped faster than karin could even sense him.

Show me a ninja who can react to a blitz faster than a sensor can sense. The only person with such a reaction feat is minato.

Saying that a kamui blitz wont work is wishful thinking, nobody has shown the feats to be able to sense faster than obito can finish a warp.

Btw obito has the same genjutsu...

 

[Sasuke Uchiha Susanoo]

You do remember Kirin was said to be the fastest striking jutsu? It takes time to charge, but definetively the fastest striking one.

 

[Takos]

I just proved in my previous two scans that obito warped faster than karin could even sense him.

Indeed, but you assume that sensors sens chakra instantly when it is nearby, when in fact, I don't think it was said or shown to be so. I'll admit I was wrong if you show me the appropriate manga page for that.

But even then, Obito's Kamui being fast doesn't logically exlude the possibility of Kakashi's being even faster, especially since Obito himself admitted so.

Saying that a kamui blitz wont work is wishful thinking, nobody has shown the feats to be able to sense faster than obito can finish a warp.

Still not a proof of Kakashi's Kamui being slower.

Btw obito has the same genjutsu...

I know, that wasn't supposed to be a serious argument. =D
Well, I can use the instance of Kakashi one-shotting the Demon Brothers from Zabuza arc without Sharingan, instead.



It doesn't affect the statement about Kakashi's Kamui being faster, but I still highly doubt that sensors sense chakra immediately. Otherwise, your statement about only Minato-reaction level ninja would be able to react to Obito's warp, so Obito would have no problem with capturing Bee, for example.

 

[BlacLord™]

Obito's kamui >>>>>>>>>>>> Kakashi's kamui speed.

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Until he does this then he's nowhere near obito's kamui speed, not to mention intangibility which is automatic & has only been bested by FTG itself.

Oonoki: "I can't believe a kid like you killed Deidara"

Err, you do know that there's only three years difference?

 

[Young Vongola]

If we talk about one-shotting fodder, then Kakashi one-shots two ROOT members with base Sharingan, gg.
I think you realize that such "one-shot" wouldn't work against any high-level ninja.

So 2 Konoha jounin with years of harsh training and bodyguards of Danzo = fodder? K...

 

[Draphsin]

Oonoki: "I can't believe a kid like you killed Deidara"

Err, you do know that there's only three years difference?

Missed the point.

Look at what karin says..."his chakra's...Are gone"

Karin, one of, if not the best sensor in the manga failed to pick up obito's chakra signature as he warped sasuke away. Sensor's can't sense faster than obito can warp.

 

[Takos]

So 2 Konoha jounin with years of harsh training and bodyguards of Danzo = fodder? K...

Yes, they are fodders by the power scale of the current manga.

Sensor's can't sense faster than obito can warp.

This is exactly the statement you need to prove for your argument to work.

 

[Naijakid]

100% agreed....

 

[Draphsin]

Indeed, but you assume that sensors sens chakra instantly when it is nearby, when in fact, I don't think it was said or shown to be so. I'll admit I was wrong if you show me the appropriate manga page for that

That's not the point. Obito is able to blitz high level ninja's because sensing is not a problem for him to bypass.

But even then, Obito's Kamui being fast doesn't logically exlude the possibility of Kakashi's being even faster, especially since Obito himself admitted so.

Obito never admitted that kakashi's kamui was faster, he admitted that kakashi had warped faster than obito noticed, which is not saying much as obito was literally warping a steak with his eye, so his sharingan wasn't anticipating anything.

Also kakashi lacks the feats, until he warps faster than a sensor can sense then he isnt beating obito's kamui speed.

Still not a proof of Kakashi's Kamui being slower.

No feats to suggest that he's faster.

I know, that wasn't supposed to be a serious argument. =D
Well, I can use the instance of Kakashi one-shotting the Demon Brothers from Zabuza arc without Sharingan, instead.

lol okay then.

It doesn't affect the statement about Kakashi's Kamui being faster, but I still highly doubt that sensors sense chakra immediately. Otherwise, your statement about only Minato-reaction level ninja would be able to react to Obito's warp, so Obito would have no problem with capturing Bee, for example.

Sensing chakra immediately isnt important here, its obito's ability to warp faster than a sensor can notice.

 

[Takos]

Sensing chakra immediately isnt important here, its obito's ability to warp faster than a sensor can notice.

That's kind of the same.
When it comes to sensors with obscured field of vision (like in this case):
Speed of sensing chakra = speed of noticing

You don't know how fast sensors can notice chakra after its appearance, so saying that Obito warped faster than Karin noticed doesn't tell us anything about Obito's Kamui speed.

As for Kakashi's being faster, Obito clearly said "faster than the stake", implying not only that he didn't notice Kakashi warping the bunshin, but also that the warp itself was faster than Obito's warp of the stake.

 

[Oblivionx]

kamui is 2nd fastest jutsu...! no doubt about that....! but it doesn't mean it can one shot everyone...! high level ninjas do have counters for most of the techs but it's haxed as hell...!

 

[NarutoIndra]

kamui is 2nd fastest jutsu...! no doubt about that....! but it doesn't mean it can one shot everyone...! high level ninjas do have counters for most of the techs but it's haxed as hell...!

What counter is there for Kamui apart from FTG and Kamui its self?

 

[cptenn94]

in your final example, kamui wasnt done so fast that obito didnt know what happened. Obito just assumed that kakashi messed up his timeing, and killed the clone.


That said kamui is still very fast on small objects. (as the smaller the objects are the faster they can be kamuied.) the larger they are the longer it takes.(though it is still very fast even on large objects)

If obito had both of his ms, he would be nearly unbeatable.. His right eye would make him unhittable, and his right could be used to kamui stuff from long range(includeing body parts suchas arms legs etc)

Obitos right eye is the defensive kamui, and his left is the offensive kamui. Both can be used for the others main strength.

 

[dms_kakashi]

u mean kakashi samas kamui then yes

 

[Calpal]

Kamui = might of the gods.
nuff said

 

[Flawž]

Obito's kamui is faster.

Faster than Jinton, Ay, KCM Naruto, BM naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Obito's kamui is faster.

Faster than Jinton, Ay, KCM Naruto, BM naruto.

No bro, no. The manga already confirmed it U_U

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[phantomlord22]

amaterasu is really fast
also tsokyumi (same goes for KA mostly)

but yeah Kamui is damn fast and unmatchable
and from what kakashi and data book stated before there is no counter to this tech