[Discussion] How in the world bijuus got their own mind?

[captainaruto]

Well! Guys... I knew this would happen...

still... is there any logic explanation for how bijuus could think and talk on their own....?? All this time we were told that... Bijuus by themselves have no intelligent mind... and they get human like mind only when they are inside a jinchuriki....
so until now... it was all fine... the talking bijuus were either sealed in living or edo jinchurukis....

But now... They are all out and yipee.... they got intelligence out of no where......



[Dedara told tobi that when not sealed inside a jinchuriki... its easier to catch a bijuu... because of the lack of intelligence.... that's how they caught sambi so easily...]

 

[Sasuke2]

That was only a rumor that people made up...

 

[spckoroma]

how would they not have there own minds? for god sake the being of nature lol

 

[WhistleBlower]

Well! Guys... I knew this would happen...

still... is there any logic explanation for how bijuus could think and talk on their own....?? All this time we were told that... Bijuus by themselves have no intelligent mind... and they get human like mind only when they are inside a jinchuriki....
so until now... it was all fine... the talking bijuus were either sealed in living or edo jinchurukis....

But now... They are all out and yipee.... they got intelligence out of no where......



[Dedara told tobi that when not sealed inside a jinchuriki... its easier to catch a bijuu... because of the lack of intelligence.... that's how they caught sambi so easily...]

You have no intelligence because it doesnt take a genuis to realise that they are intelligent in their own rights. And as for sanbi, he was caught off guard thats why he didnt respond otherwise you have seen bijuu's they are crazy!!

 

[Chatte]

Who said Bijuus had no mind of their own?!

 

[captainaruto]

Diedara told that.... and they fight like animals... not as intelligent beings.....

Well! Diedara told that in a filler arc... still that is how they caught 3 tails...

 

[spade3dg]

You obviously skipped a few hundred chapters. It was showed they are all sentient beings.

Maybe you are the one that shouldn't talk or think



P.s. you turned me off of periods why you use so many

 

[captainaruto]

It was showed they are all sentient beings.

ever on their own? Its always in the sealed form.....

 

[Kush sage]

We'll I guess that when kurma was fighting the forth, after Obito lost control,didn't talk or know what was going on when he got sealed in naruto.

 

[Chatte]

ever on their own? Its always in the sealed form.....

Nope, at some point in the manga it is explained that if their Jinchuuriki is gone, they reform back on their own given that they are masses of chakra.

 

[spade3dg]

ever on their own? Its always in the sealed form.....

Yes on their own. The only beast you seen not talk on their own was kurama. Thats because he was being controlled. But whem he was freed he was shown to think properly.

Remember him sayng "their going to try to seal me in that brat" hence Minato and Kushinas death.

 

[shica]

Who said Bijuus had no mind of their own?!

well in the first place u should not quote fillers because u know that they are not a part of the real series did u not see when the sage of six path made them they looked and sounded smart so why are u saying that they are dume .....pisss* wat a drag ... get your facts right before i go around saying lame stuff .........pisss*pissss*

 

[spade3dg]

well in the first place u should not quote fillers because u know that they are not a part of the real series did u not see when the sage of six path made them they looked and sounded smart so why are u saying that they are dume .....pisss* wat a drag ... get your facts right before i go around saying lame stuff .........pisss*pissss*

Umm you came at the wrong person. Chatte wasn't saying they were mindless. She was asking who said that. Rookie.

 

[Narutoarchive101]

The bijuus aren't mindless most people don't understand them, I think maybe without a host they can't communicate with humans and they have there own telepathy way to communicate with other bijuus maybe the bijuus are just telepath and hence the sigma that they are mindless

 

[Chatte]

Umm you came at the wrong person. Chatte wasn't saying they were mindless. She was asking who said that. Rookie.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[UchihaMangekyou]

The bijuu were usually being controlled that's why they didn't seem like they had their own mind. This has been proven already from kurama's intelligence.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Well! Guys... I knew this would happen...

still... is there any logic explanation for how bijuus could think and talk on their own....?? All this time we were told that... Bijuus by themselves have no intelligent mind... and they get human like mind only when they are inside a jinchuriki....
so until now... it was all fine... the talking bijuus were either sealed in living or edo jinchurukis....

But now... They are all out and yipee.... they got intelligence out of no where......



[Dedara told tobi that when not sealed inside a jinchuriki... its easier to catch a bijuu... because of the lack of intelligence.... that's how they caught sambi so easily...]

I was one of those tho thought they didn't have mind/heart, it was a theory. I still don't know if I was wrong, but If I had to keep it as simple as possible, I would prefer to be wrong.

One of the things that made me think about these beasts not having mind (at least the beasts inside Obito) was what Kurama said about the Juubi.

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If the Juubi as a full entity didn't have heart or feelings, or ideals, I would assume that the creatures inside didn't either have them, since Naruto would have these feelings inside himself with the chakra the beasts gave to him. But then again, I forgot about Hachibi's horn, and Ginkaku/Kinkaku's Kyuubi (though I had Shukaku as suspect since I made it clear in a previous topic that Shukaku was a special case since he didn't fight Naruto).

Thought it is possible that the creatures recovered their minds when they made contact with Naruto in the Tug-of-war, this wouldn't explain why the Juubi tried to take over Obito (maybe Hachibi/Kyuubi's share of the chakra + Shukaku could do this).

Or maybe I was wrong and the creatures always had mind. Who knows...

 

[Kurama999]

Well! Guys... I knew this would happen...
still... is there any logic explanation for how bijuus could think and talk on their own....?? All this time we were told that... Bijuus by themselves have no intelligent mind... and they get human like mind only when they are inside a jinchuriki....
so until now... it was all fine... the talking bijuus were either sealed in living or edo jinchurukis....
But now... They are all out and yipee.... they got intelligence out of no where......
[Dedara told tobi that when not sealed inside a jinchuriki... its easier to catch a bijuu... because of the lack of intelligence.... that's how they caught sambi so easily...]

This is Kishi story that created - Naruto world.
imo
When Naruto talk to Kurama, possibly it is the chakra. Both Naruto & Kurama.
Also when Naruto is talking to Kurama, it is the inner-space of Naruto.
That's why when he talking to Kurama, this will affect Naruto consciousness.
Before Naruto finally took control of Kurama, that Kurama run wild;
cannot think or talk, but could defend itself, such as when Sakura tried to talk, it swap it tail and hit Sakura.
Also Jiraiya was injured by Kurama. It mind was to protect itself, (by instinct) but failed to think & talk.
If the Jinchuriki die, the bijuu also die. That was that the chakra being released in the open, no container.

But when the bijuu inside the Jinchuriki, it could communicated.
Kurama did told Naruto about Bijuu & Juubi (without mind). <refer to manga>
Bijuu inside Jinchuriki could communicated with other bijuu in their own bijuu world.
Basically, it was the each ninja chakra was different.
Minato & Kushina could communicated with Naruto, by means of CHAKRA.
This was how Madara & Naruto could sensed the 4 Hokage, Sasuke, on the way.
As for edo Minato 'yin' Kurama; he did die, but 'yin' Kurama still exist. Kurama full 'yin' & 'yang' 100%.

 

[Draxus]

I was one of those tho thought they didn't have mind/heart, it was a theory. I still don't know if I was wrong, but If I had to keep it as simple as possible, I would prefer to be wrong.

One of the things that made me think about these beasts not having mind (at least the beasts inside Obito) was what Kurama said about the Juubi.

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If the Juubi as a full entity didn't have heart or feelings, or ideals, I would assume that the creatures inside didn't either have them, since Naruto would have these feelings inside himself with the chakra the beasts gave to him. But then again, I forgot about Hachibi's horn, and Ginkaku/Kinkaku's Kyuubi (though I had Shukaku as suspect since I made it clear in a previous topic that Shukaku was a special case since he didn't fight Naruto).

Thought it is possible that the creatures recovered their minds when they made contact with Naruto in the Tug-of-war, this wouldn't explain why the Juubi tried to take over Obito (maybe Hachibi/Kyuubi's share of the chakra + Shukaku could do this).

Or maybe I was wrong and the creatures always had mind. Who knows...

The bijuu ALWAYS had intelligence. When they were babies, Kurama cried when So6P told them he was dying. Heck if they didn't have intelligence they wouldn't have even remember being told about that.

The reason the ninja world assumed they were just monsters was probably for several reasons: Ancient stigma of the juubi, past down from generations, created an inherent fear of chakra beasts. Ninja trying to use them to destroy each other, reinforced this fear. Bijuu can only be "heard" by other bijuu or jink, so they can't just have a convo with people who have this fear. Once sealed, the bijuu's pride/hatred would prevent them trying to make a connection with the host, so jinchuriki were enable to tell people how they really were. Finally even if a jink knew, people held as much fear/distrust for the host as they did the bijuu.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The bijuu ALWAYS had intelligence. When they were babies, Kurama cried when So6P told them he was dying. Heck if they didn't have intelligence they wouldn't have even remember being told about that.

The reason the ninja world assumed they were just monsters was probably for several reasons: Ancient stigma of the juubi, past down from generations, created an inherent fear of chakra beasts. Ninja trying to use them to destroy each other, reinforced this fear. Bijuu can only be "heard" by other bijuu or jink, so they can't just have a convo with people who have this fear. Once sealed, the bijuu's pride/hatred would prevent them trying to make a connection with the host, so jinchuriki were enable to tell people how they really were. Finally even if a jink knew, people held as much fear/distrust for the host as they did the bijuu.

Well, if you can see through my statements, I'm was referring to the Bijuus that were inside the Juubi, not them in their natural state.