Which is faster, Amaterasu or Kamui?

[Johndoesknowall]

I would agree with that one eye manipulates the move while the other simple generates it.

So theoretically, if Kakashi had Obito's skill in Kamui, then Kakashi's Kamui should be able to warp any object into the dimension with the same speed Obito can warp people he touches.

In either case, Kakashi should be able to warp Amaterasu away from himself even if it did land on him, since Obito was capable of doing it using his eye powers that used telportation to warp away Amaterasu. Both can manipulate time and space fairly easily.

Their techniques are different so I'm not sure that even if he gets as good as Obito that he would be able to acquire the same speed Obito has for warping people.

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Read up buddy

This is a fan made site. Proof is straight from the manga, not from fans. So start readin them manga pages buddy.

 

[Booker]

This is a fan made site. Proof is straight from the manga, not from fans. So start readin them manga pages buddy.

It's a site that draws their information straight from the Manga.

Let's see

- They do the same thing
- They go to the same place
- They are the same eye
- Both jutsus are constantly referred to as Kamui

Yeah, they are both Kamui.

In fact, I dare you to make a thread stating that they aren't.

You're just making yourself look like a fool in front of everyone.

 

[Multiply]

It's a site that draws their information straight from the Manga.

Let's see

- They do the same thing
- They go to the same place
- They are the same eye
- Both jutsus are constantly referred to as Kamui

Yeah, they are both Kamui.

In fact, I dare you to make a thread stating that they aren't.

You're just making yourself look like a fool in front of everyone.

No balls he won't... I will stay up if he does LOL

 

[Johndoesknowall]

It's a site that draws their information straight from the Manga.

Let's see

- They do the same thing
- They go to the same place
- They are the same eye
- Both jutsus are constantly referred to as Kamui

Yeah, they are both Kamui.

In fact, I dare you to make a thread stating that they aren't.

You're just making yourself look like a fool in front of everyone.

Fanmade is fanmade. If you want to convince me show me pages.

1. They do similar things. Not exactly the same.

Ex: Obito= intangible
Kakashi= teleport objects that aren't near him.

2. Only Kakashi named his kamui. Obito's has no name. Just because the fans refer to it as Kamui does not make it right.

3. I already did.

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There is also another link in that thread saying almost the same thing. enjoy.

So if I were you I would stop before you embarrass yourself.

 

[Booker]

Fanmade is fanmade. If you want to convince me show me pages.

1. They do similar things. Not exactly the same.

Ex: Obito= intangible
Kakashi= teleport objects that aren't near him.

2. Only Kakashi named his kamui. Obito's has no name. Just because the fans refer to it as Kamui does not make it right.

3 I did.

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So if I were you I would stop before you embarrass yourself.

(1) They both do the same thing.

Ex: Both send objects to the Kamui dimension

(2) So? Humans are called Homo Sapiens too, but that doesn't mean they are different. I'm going to go search for scans where Obito calls it Kamui.

(3) That thread is not about both Kamuis, it was edited to be so.

They do the same thing, they are just applied differently. Kakashi can use Kamui just as Obito can, he used it to escape the Kamui dimension.

 

[Booker]

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Oops

By golly would you look at that, it's Tobi calling his technique Kamui.

Looks like you dun goofed

 

[Johndoesknowall]

(1) They both do the same thing.

Ex: Both send objects to the Kamui dimension

(2) So? Humans are called Homo Sapiens too, but that doesn't mean they are different. I'm going to go search for scans where Obito calls it Kamui.

(3) That thread is not about both Kamuis, it was edited to be so.

They do the same thing, they are just applied differently. Kakashi can use Kamui just as Obito can, he used it to escape the Kamui dimension.

1. That's like saying amaterasu and kagetsuchi burns when it hits. But they aren't the same thing. Just stop.

2. I'll be waiting.

3. The thread was edited because I forgot who named their jutsu. But it still has it's main point on Obito not having the exact same jutsu as Kakashi.

Prove that kakashi can use kamui exactly the same way Obito can. I would love to see Kakashi intangible. XD

 

[Bogard]

So Obito's technique is not Kamui now? I already noticed he was a joke but that surpasses all lmao

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[Oblivionx]

only sasuke and itachi fans will claim amaterasu is faster....! kamui is one of the fastest jutsu in NV...! it's faster than raikage's v2 and is close to hirashin no jutsu...! whereas gaara's sand or a simple body flicker can do the trick against amaterasu....!

 

[Johndoesknowall]

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Oops

By golly would you look at that, it's Tobi calling his technique Kamui.

Looks like you dun goofed

I admit that I was wrong about the name, but I'm still waiting to be proven wrong, that they aren't the same technique. What you showed could also prove my theory on how Obito has the original technique and Kakashi the ability to manipulate.

 

[xcoyote]

Fanmade is fanmade. If you want to convince me show me pages.

1. They do similar things. Not exactly the same.

Ex: Obito= intangible
Kakashi= teleport objects that aren't near him.

2. Only Kakashi named his kamui. Obito's has no name. Just because the fans refer to it as Kamui does not make it right.

3. I already did.

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There is also another link in that thread saying almost the same thing. enjoy.

So if I were you I would stop before you embarrass yourself.

You lost credibility at bold clown,Obito aint intangible he just sends parts of his body in the Kamui dimension.
Drop it,you are embarrasing yourself.

 

[Booker]

I admit that I was wrong about the name, but I'm still waiting to be proven wrong, that they aren't the same technique. What you showed could also prove my theory on how Obito has the original technique and Kakashi the ability to manipulate.

Haha, nice cop out.

You were wrong, they are the same technique. Tobi even refers to them both as Kamui.

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Come again next time.

/discussion

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Haha, nice cop out.

You were wrong, they are the same technique. Tobi even refers to them both as Kamui.

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Come again next time.

/discussion

Wasn't a cop out. I admit when I'm wrong.

You have yet to prove if they are the same technique. This only proves the names are the same. Even Obito says the real power of Kamui or full power of Kamui.

 

[Booker]

Wasn't a cop out. I admit when I'm wrong.

You have yet to prove if they are the same technique. This only proves the names are the same. Even Obito says the real power of Kamui or full power of Kamui.

I've already explained to you how they are the same, if you're too dense or stubborn to understand, that's not my fault.

Everybody here knows you're wrong and is calling you a clown. Just stop.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I've already explained to you how they are the same, if you're too dense or stubborn to understand, that's not my fault.

Everybody here knows you're wrong and is calling you a clown. Just stop.

I said prove it not explain it. You seem to have the scan to prove me wrong about the name but you can't seem to find any proof of them being the exact same technique. Its not being stubborn when you haven't proven anything other than the name. So show it and prove me wrong or not show it and prove me right.

 

[Booker]

I said prove it not explain it. You seem to have the scan to prove me wrong about the name but you can't seem to find any proof of them being the exact same technique. Its not being stubborn when you haven't proven anything other than the name. So show it and prove me wrong or not show it and prove me right.

When a jutsu does the same exact thing as another jutsu by using identical processes, they are the same jutsu.

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Here's your proof.

They both used Kamui on each other, and it did the same exact thing.

This is my final response, because everyone veiwing this thread already knows you're wrong.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

When a jutsu does the same exact thing as another jutsu by using identical processes, they are the same jutsu.

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Here's your proof.

They both used Kamui on each other, and it did the same exact thing.

This is my final response, because everyone veiwing this thread already knows you're wrong.

This does not prove they are the exact same. This only proves they have similar techniques.

Can Kakashi do this. BECOME INTANGIBLE.

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Or can Obito do this. TELEPORT OJECTS AT DISTANCES AWAY FROM HIM

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You are only showing the similar techniques between them. That's like showing Sasuke casting Amaterasu and then Kagetsuchi casting amaterasu and calling both of them the same technique due to the same moves. The are still different techniques.

Also everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and until they prove me wrong about this, I don't bother with theirs.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

You lost credibility at bold clown,Obito aint intangible he just sends parts of his body in the Kamui dimension.
Drop it,you are embarrasing yourself.

Intangible means unable to be touched or grasped and he is from the people or objects outside of his dimension. You tried :bye:

 

[Booker]

This does not prove they are the exact same. This only proves they have similar techniques.

Can Kakashi do this. BECOME INTANGIBLE.

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Or can Obito do this. TELEPORT OJECTS AT DISTANCES AWAY FROM HIM

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You are only showing the similar techniques between them. That's like showing Sasuke casting Amaterasu and then Kagetsuchi casting amaterasu and calling both of them the same technique due to the same moves. The are still different techniques.

Also everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and until they prove me wrong about this, I don't bother with theirs.

This is actually perfect, considering Kakashi just displayed anothe feat this chapter lel.

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Kakashi displayed the same feat Obito has of being able to Kamui himself at will. Considering all Obito's "intangibility" is really doing is him moving certain parts of his body to the Kamui dimension, I see no reason Kakashi can't do the same. They've already displayed time and again that they do the same thing, this should be obvious.

Intangible means unable to be touched or grasped and he is from the people or objects outside of his dimension. You tried :bye:

Obito doesn't have true intangibility. He can still be grasped physically, it's just that he sends certain parts of his body to the other dimension so they don't get hit.

If Obito has true intagibility, this wouldn't have happened:

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So, wrong again.

 

[NarutoIndra]

I hope you're not talking about Obito. Because his technique is not Kamui. Yes it is related but do not try to mix Obito and kakashi's feats. Only Kakashi has Kamui.

I also never stated kakashi could not do it consecutively. He can but it would require the same general prep time for each use. Unlike amaterasu.

I never said sasuke, even though I'm sure he can. I stated that after you prep and cast amaterasu for the first time you can do it again and again with little to no prep time.

EXrep then amaterasu

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Little to no prep then amaterasu

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Amaterasu can move. Amaterasu can also occur instantly, the same as Kamui. It doesn't need to travel even when trying to hit an opponent.

Lets say this, once both jutsu are cast they can reach their objective at the same time. Yes kamui would warp it's object faster but they would still reach it at the same time. But to cast Kamui again it would take generally the same prep time it took to cast the first one unlike amaterasu where you can cast it again almost immediately.

Next time you post give me scan and facts to back up you work, cause all you done here is state what happens when the jutsu is cast. Get off this thread if you can not read it.

Its about Prep time, jutsu speed, casting time. If you can't do that. then don't reply.

When did I ever include Obito?
Kamui doesn't have much prep time. [

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]. This is all the proof that I need to portray that Kakashi barely needs prep time for it.

There is no proof that amateratsu occurs instantly. Zetsu saying it can occur exactly at a spot doesn't mean anything, since he has already shown to leak false facts. He has already stated that Yata and Totsuka make Itachi invincible, which is hype. We have seen the Yondaime Raikage dodge amateratsu, so we can only go by this feat. It would be completely illogical for Sasuke to be able to allow amateratsu to appear wherever he wants it to, yet still uses the amateratsu which requires movement. Your point is thus considered hype, as Yondaime Raikage already dodged it [

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Kamui is instantaneous as shown in all its uses. It doesn't move, and can warp himself to teleport with it. Saying it requires movement is ignorant since it is S/T after all. It is technically Kakashi choosing wherever he wants a hole to open to another dimension, hence my black hole analogy. I have shown you all the feats a logical person would need to realise that one is instant while the other is rapid movement. Statements by other characters don't count as feats. I didn't think it would require scans to state the obvious.. I have already shown you, prep time isn't needed, whereas amateratsu usually requires the user to close his eyes, build up chakra in their eyes (as Kamui), and then go on to fire the amateratsu in which it requires movement. Kamui only needs to build up chakra in his eyes, and use an instant warping ability which doesn't move, at all. If Kamui required movement, everything along its path would be warped in as well..