Kid Trunks vs Cell
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Yes cause he was actually holding back, read USSJ posts and tell me what it says, he knows what he's saying, he's a vivid dbz manga reader, most of the stuff in the anime is falsely portrayed
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NarutoIndra
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What? Yes they were holding back, was she not? She didn't even know who they were and what their power was until a few seconds later...[
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An android 18 shat herself
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This is what I love about NB members, u begin to call people arguments nonesense! Ohh great and I'm so effected? Lel, so android also was sweating and claimed these kids
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And claimed not to make the blast
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out of whole the fight only 18 was getting trolled more then often and said she didn't wanna drag it on her self, cause they were dangerous, and immediately unmasked them. Debates been done many times over and over, It's been done on OBD, she has lost, Vegeta is a non factor, cause, most of time trunks was training his ass of with Vegeta, which could've greatly augmented his powers overall. If u wanna debate with me, keep it cool nigga
Anywas this is my last post, Im not willing to continue debating, if u want to claim victory here, go ahead. Thanks, it was fun
....I'm tired AF Bye :bye:
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NarutoIndra
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Yea, I saw it. She was surprised, not scared. If you want to take the scenario of her saying this is dangerous, it would be biased to ignore that she said she has to end this quickly, implying that she can. You are reacting over dramatically to the word nonsense, I could also make a NB reference in which people act like Drama queens in every scenario, but won't it is generalisation (which your argument did).
Goten saying "not too strong" is in no way implying anything. They couldn't have killed her with a kai blast even if they wanted to, she simply didn't need to put her self at any risk. "Not to strong" could imply an infinite amount of things. She could kill them, according to feats, she shits all over kid trunks and kid Goten in a 2v1. You are interpreting everything in the way you want to perceive it. That is not how it works, or I would perceive this fight as a loss in a 2v1 for Goten and Trunks, where Android 18 is the victor if I were to do what you are doing. Keep it practical? Ok. First off, OBD isn't the factual book you make it out to be. It is all partially opinionated and all inaccurate. You are using 3 scans to prove your point, and all three scans are from a single fight, in which none of the two attempted to kill the other, and neither took seriously. Going by previous fights, she has clearly shown to be the superior one when comparing feats and not single fights, where you can interpret things the way you chose to.
SS1 Vegeta couldn't hurt android 18 with a punch [
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]. At that point, she still had not gotten tired, while Vegeta was getting tired as stated by Picolo [
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]. Vegeta defeated and reverted [
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]. You are taking USSJ's word too strongly. He's a huge Trunks fan after all, so a decent chance he is saying this because he wants Trunks to be the victor, although I don't doubt his manga knowledge.I was speaking of base Kid Trunks. I thought that was the point of the thread at first.
I'm not talking anyone seriously, you brought up valid point, I guess I'd say it's Fair I'll face concession since ur argument holds more strenght overall, and no dude, I am not taking the OBD seriously, I'm only saying that since the members there (im a member of the NF and OBD community) debunked this sorta stuff, and proved super saiyan trunks and goten to be superior overall.
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NarutoIndra
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SUPRISED OVER WHAT? she had just been fighting someone who was using similar strength and speed and was glowing gold energy. but a ki blast is impossible?
she feared for her life. she was sweating bullets. its clear as day in the scan.
so now your satying you know the situation and powers better than the people actually in it?
what an absurd notion. toriyama made the kids say all of this because they are adept at fighting, knew exactly what 18 was capable of, and still treated her as just someone ot hold back against.
goten trained with his freaking brother. he knows what storng opponents are.
they knew a hell of a lot more abut 18 and her durability than you.
i choose to believe the manga over you
they could have defeated her because manga portrayal shows them as above her level. and because even though they were handocapped and couldnt even see, they were confident that a full power blast from them might kill her.
this is jsut fanfiction. what feats are you talkign about? the kids were portrayed as near gohans own level, hence the comment that they might surpass him. SOON. are you saying gohan = 18? you dont believe that.
no im not actually. i chose this name long ago when i was still a huge dbz fanboy
SS1 Vegeta couldn't hurt android 18 with a punch [x]. She tanked Vegeta's blast like it was nothing [x]-->[y]. At that point, she still had not gotten tired, while Vegeta was getting tired as stated by Picolo [x]. She dodged a point blank blast, saying she wouldn't dodge any blast trunks had is fallacious [x]. Vegeta defeated and reverted
again why do you believe that vegeta us above the kids? bias? because the manga doesnt make this claim. trunks knew exactly how and why 18 defeated his father and was still not willing to back down against her.
in fact it was only a minor cause for concern for him. this implies heavily that trunks has long since surpassed that level of power.
yet it was the kids who were piling on the handicaps and stating they were wekaneed because of the costume.
scared is sweating, commenting on the speed and power of your opponent and promising to go all out. she was scared.
hapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P8.4, P9.1-7
Context: as Trunks and Goten fight No.18 in their Mighty Mask costume
Trunks: “Da-dammit! We can’t win like this!”
Goten: “Let’s turn into Super Saiyans, Trunks!”
Trunks: “That's it! We’ve got this thing on, so she won’t be able to tell who we are…Alright! Shall we turn into [Super Saiyans]?”
Goten: “Yeah!”
No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”
*they become Super Saiyans*
No.18: “!!”
Trunks: “Either way, we’re at a disadvantage in this getup, so we’ve got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!”
Goten: “Eh! But will she be alright?...”
Trunks: “Don’t worry, she won’t die if we do it appropriately. She’s No.18…”
trunks knows exactly who she is and is still promising he wont do a blast anywwhre near his true capacity.
if 18 was so ridiculiosuly above them how come she didnt KO the kids like she did with mr satan and those other human fodders? do you even hear yourself talk?
the manga!
1. gohan comment that the kids will soon surpass even him if he didnt resume his training. you know how strong ssj2 teen gohan is right?
2. gohan and goten fought evenly in their sparring session, and goten forced his brother to actually go ssj and sweat. we know what happens when a sparring session involves two people fo vastly different ower levels. future gohan fought off ssj future trunks with one arm. in base form. and your telling me that gohan GOHAN is struggling and fightign on a fast paced intense level with someone whos weaker than vehgeta ssj1 in android arc? you dont believe that.
3. kid trunks was toying. clear as day. while handicapped by a restrictive costume that made him barely able to see or move.
and goten kept stating "odont kill her."
from the fighting they had actuallyt been doing they knew that 18 wasnt at their level and thus had to hold back to not hurt her too badly, despite all the other restrictionds and handicaps they already posssesed.
your vastly overestimating 18 and her confidence. if the kids are no threat to her like vegeta was no threat how come she was scared of their casual ki blast? did we see that reaction out of her when she faced vegeta?
its not fair to trunks to underestimate him like that. hes above goten who was fighting evenly with his brother when both were in ssj form.
kid trunks is slightly stronger than goten who was holding his own against teen ssj gohan when they were training for the tournament (clearly taking each other seriously) and could have killed 18 with one hit Post ROSAT
well maybe piccolo could have said that pre rosat but both kids got vastly stronger post rosat. to the point where piccolo claimed base gotenks post > ssj gotenks pre.
no he was treating 18 like she was barely a threat and goten was screaming at him to not kill her
Android 18 is easily stronger then the kiddies.
look at the manga.
Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P12.4, P13.1
Context: after Trunks’ ki blast explodes
No.18: “Yo-you’ve got to be kidding…That energy bullet had absolutely incredible speed and destructive power…Co-could it be that those squirts have outrageous power?…This is dangerous! I’ve got to settle this fight soon!”
Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P10.1-2
Context: as Trunks prepares to fire a ki blast at No.18
No.18: “…I see…Super Saiyan, huh?...I finally know your identity, boys…”
Goten: “Don’t do it at full force!”
Trunks: “I know, I know!”
to make things worse, the kids mentioned several times they were weakened because of the costime and because they had to maintain their identities by not going ssj. once they did, 18 knw who they were but still crapped her panties over theiir power.
yes base trunks is 18's equal.
this shows your ignorance of the manga.
kid trunks scared the shit out of her with one casual kid blast which she called "outrageous speed and power". both were not going all out so dont use the argument that 18 wasnt going all out. she wanted the prize money so why wouldnt she be taking this seriously? thats out of character and a copout. they stated MULTIPLE TIMES they were restricted and weakened by the costume and lack of visibility. and even then didnt go ssj till they had no choice.
furthermore, gohan believed that the kids will soon pass himself up in power if he didnt start training. that means they are pretty close to his level. further shown when goten and himself engage in an intense sparring sesion in their ssj forms and gohan is SWEATING
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This is correct, seemingly I don't like getting in debates with related to dbz within its verse, seeing its been 5 years since I read the manga. Moreover I was tired as hell yesterday. This was actually done, I've seen people confirm multiple time that goten and trunks were superior to 18. Pre Rosat even.