Something Naruto nor Obito seems to see

[Gakido]

Obito and Naruto are both going on about whats the proper method to use as Hokage, but what they don't seem to see is that Obito's method has already worked.

He created a common enemy and united the entire world. The kages even confirm that they won't be having any fights anymore.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You still take naruto and his ideolisms seriously? He's just trying to baptise everyone in his religion.

 

[Stark]

By the time Obito has had his way he'll kill everyone before Infinite Tsukuyomi, & Naruto being Hokage, he would spread his stupidity and immaturity. The 5 Villages will probably come together but with divided areas for each Kage to reign over.

 

[SeBa]

By the time Obito has had his way he'll kill everyone before Infinite Tsukuyomi, & Naruto being Hokage, he would spread his stupidity and immaturity. The 5 Villages will probably come together but with divided areas for each Kage to reign over.

he will have shikamaru as an advisor so please shut up.

 

[-ahhimane-]

And now, the other Hokage candidate, Uzumaki Naruto has proved Obito that his way of uniting the five countries is wrong.

 

[BlacLord™]

he will have shikamaru as an advisor so please shut up.

So what? Naruto is so damn stubborn he won't listen - and that's the thing, the Hokage doesn't have to listen to their advisors. The only people that the Hokage must answer to is the Daimyo.

 

[Umari Senju]

The difference is, Obito's solution is temporary. The world United against a common foe is not a sustaining solution. Look at real world events. In WWII. A number of countries united to stop Hitler but did we obtain world peace in doing so?

Naruto's solution is better, but idealistic. He assumes everyone thinks like him and everyone will be swayed by his words. This is his naivety.

If anything, both Obito's and Naruto's way is what creates a long lasting world peace. Obito United the Shinobi world through destruction. Naruto seeks to change the ninja system that breeds ninja like Madara Orochimaru and Obito.

Without destruction of the old there can be no rebirth. Both of them are wrong....

...and both of them are right.

 

[take it easy]

By the time Obito has had his way he'll kill everyone before Infinite Tsukuyomi, & Naruto being Hokage, he would spread his stupidity and immaturity. The 5 Villages will probably come together but with divided areas for each Kage to reign over.

if you serious think that naruto stupid and immature...

So what? Naruto is so damn stubborn he won't listen - and that's the thing, he doesn't have to listen to Shikamaru.

naruto listen other peoples

 

[BlacLord™]

The difference is, Obito's solution is temporary. The world United against a common foe is not a sustaining solution. Look at real world events. In WWII. A number of countries united to stop Hitler but did we obtain world peace in doing so?

Naruto's solution is better, but idealistic. He assumes everyone thinks like him and everyone will be swayed by his words. This is his naivety.

If anything, both Obito's and Naruto's way is what creates a long lasting world peace. Obito United the Shinobi world through destruction. Naruto seeks to change the ninja system that breeds ninja like Madara Orochimaru and Obito.

Without destruction of the old there can be no rebirth. Both of them are wrong....

...and both of them are right.

Both of them are wrong per se.

As long as people disagree, conflict will arise and tensions will increase.

Long-lasting, worldwide peace is a fallacy.

 

[take it easy]

Naruto's solution is better, but idealistic. He assumes everyone thinks like him and everyone will be swayed by his words. This is his naivety.

can you give me scan where naruto think that all was think like him?

 

[-Punk-]

You still take naruto and his ideolisms seriously? He's just trying to baptise everyone in his religion.

Bingo .

 

[Umari Senju]

Both of them are wrong per se.

As long as people disagree, conflict will arise and tensions will increase.

Long-lasting, worldwide peace is a fallacy.

But you are missing the entire point. Simply claiming it's fallacy is the exact kind of thinking Naruto strives to defeat. That is what makes a hero just that. A hero. Its easy to say thing like world peace is fallacy but in doing so you just repeat the sins of the past. Just because world peace may not exist in your life time doesn't mean those who come after won't achieve it either.

The goal is to pave the road and set the groundwork for your sons and daughters to one day realize what we fight and die for. What you just typed is the same as giving up.

 

[KingHashirama]

The world could've been united another way also. If Naruto wasn't there at this very moment, the "joining together" would've been futile, seeing as they were already giving up hope, when Naruto got down.

It is the Kages that have united the shinobi again. Not Obito. It was the choice of the Kages, to make an alliance. So do not give the feat of the Kages to Obito, who had no intentions of uniting the world.

Let me be more specific.. it was actually mifune, who is responsible for this alliance's creation.

 

[johnny335704]

Obito's method is wrong. He is just putting everybody to sleep & giving them a dream. They are not alive instead they are pseudo dead.

Naruto is trying to bring everyone together on single table which can happen in narutoverse but not in real world.

 

[Umari Senju]

can you give me scan where naruto think that all was think like him?

what I typed earlier was my own opinion on Naruto's character based on the speeches he gives to his foes and not manga fact. Therefore there are no scans to prove this.

 

[AGoodBoy]

The difference is, Obito's solution is temporary. The world United against a common foe is not a sustaining solution. Look at real world events. In WWII. A number of countries united to stop Hitler but did we obtain world peace in doing so?

Naruto's solution is better, but idealistic. He assumes everyone thinks like him and everyone will be swayed by his words. This is his naivety.

If anything, both Obito's and Naruto's way is what creates a long lasting world peace. Obito United the Shinobi world through destruction. Naruto seeks to change the ninja system that breeds ninja like Madara Orochimaru and Obito.

Without destruction of the old there can be no rebirth. Both of them are wrong....

...and both of them are right.

Too bad WWI and WWII has brought us closer to peace than most other events. If not for them there wouldn't be a bunch of these treaties. The WW allies are pretty much still Allies. Because there's war in the middle east for oil don't mean hitler didn't create a change.

Naruto's solution is boderline idiotic from a human nature standpoint. Only fear and struggling through a similar hardship unites people. No one will take you seriously for just spouting nonsense. Your opinion isn't more relevant than theirs unless you can prove it. Obito provided the means to prove a point that the 5 great nations can work together perfectly if they so chose to. After this war, there's no excuse for anymore cross village wars apart from coveting something another village has... which can easily be disputed diplomatically. Obito pretty much elimated 'vengeance and hate' as reasons for cross village dispute.

Obito's closer to peace than naruto and his religion is... But, in the end, naruto will come out on top because it's a fairytale. Talking did finally stop hitler after all... oh wait.

 

[Umari Senju]

Too bad WWI and WWII has brought us closer to peace than most other events. If not for them there wouldn't be a bunch of these treaties. The WW allies are pretty much still Allies. Because there's war in the middle east for oil don't mean hitler didn't create a change.

Naruto's solution is boderline idiotic from a human nature standpoint. Only fear and struggling through a similar hardship unites people. No one will take you seriously for just spouting nonsense. Your opinion isn't more relevant than theirs unless you can prove it. Obito provided the means to prove a point that the 5 great nations can work together perfectly if they so chose to. After this war, there's no excuse for anymore cross village wars apart from coveting something another village has... which can easily be disputed diplomatically. Obito pretty much elimated 'vengeance and hate' as reasons for cross village dispute.

Obito's closer to peace than naruto and his religion is... But, in the end, naruto will come out on top because it's a fairytale. Talking did finally stop hitler after all... oh wait.

XD i was waiting for you to realize that. XD

As I said they were both wrong and both right. Yes Obito forced a change and as history has shown us common foes can bring nations together. But when that foe is defeated a dialog needs to be opened to hammer out the aftermath and fallout of what one man can cause. Both of their idealogies go hand in hand.

I am a believer in Humanity. like Jiraiya, I seriously do believe that there will be a day when humanity can truly understand one another. Just because our history and our present show us something different, it doesn't dictate our worlds future.

Unlike the manga humanity as a whole has yet to face a foe that threatens to wipe all of us out. That scale of destruction creates drastic change. And as much as many of you hate to admit it. People like Naruto will be needed during and after events such as those. Yes this story is fantasy, but is also an introspection into what can be.

Faith in future generations plays the most important role in this. Is "the world will never see eye to eye and we will always have war as long as people disagree." the message you really want to leave for your children?

 

[kingmadara]

Too bad WWI and WWII has brought us closer to peace than most other events. If not for them there wouldn't be a bunch of these treaties. The WW allies are pretty much still Allies. Because there's war in the middle east for oil don't mean hitler didn't create a change.

Naruto's solution is boderline idiotic from a human nature standpoint. Only fear and struggling through a similar hardship unites people. No one will take you seriously for just spouting nonsense. Your opinion isn't more relevant than theirs unless you can prove it. Obito provided the means to prove a point that the 5 great nations can work together perfectly if they so chose to. After this war, there's no excuse for anymore cross village wars apart from coveting something another village has... which can easily be disputed diplomatically. Obito pretty much elimated 'vengeance and hate' as reasons for cross village dispute.

Obito's closer to peace than naruto and his religion is... But, in the end, naruto will come out on top because it's a fairytale. Talking did finally stop hitler after all... oh wait.

Obito controlling everybody is peace to you? Dude, Obito's plan is twisted, he wants to control the world with force. He did many twisted things to achieve his goal. He unleashed Kurama on Konoha, he controlled Yagura, he twisted both Nagato and Sasuke and turned them into weapons of hatred and destruction.

 

[BlacLord™]

But you are missing the entire point. Simply claiming it's fallacy is the exact kind of thinking Naruto strives to defeat. That is what makes a hero just that. A hero. Its easy to say thing like world peace is fallacy but in doing so you just repeat the sins of the past. Just because world peace may not exist in your life time doesn't mean those who come after won't achieve it either.

The goal is to pave the road and set the groundwork for your sons and daughters to one day realize what we fight and die for. What you just typed is the same as giving up.

No, it's living in a fairytale and a waste of life. Do you honestly believe that everyone will think the same and nobody will want to oppose, that nobody will hate?

Hatred and pain is a part of life, it's what makes people stronger. Death is a part of life. Take away the bad in the world and when somebody dies, the people that loved them won't be able to deal with the pain, they will seek to 'balance' their pain and that leads to more pain caused, which leads straight back into the cycle of hatred.

It is naive to think that everybody thinks the same and will just agree on everything. Then you have psychotics that murder but when they do, do you think that victim's closest think about the murderer's condition? No, they just want revenge. Innately, we are just animals and that speaks volumes within itself.

 

[Anorien16]

Naruto's solution is boderline idiotic from a human nature standpoint.

Yeah .... human nature had been the same through out the era right? Some key figures in history didnt manage to change large number of people to bring stability right? ...... Even in Narutoverse there are people like Hashirama who despite being nearly like Naruto managed to change the world for good ....

If you say that human evil will always stay then please note the fact that if greater amount of people are good then the lesser amount of people who are evil can be easily be suppressed.

Only fear and struggling through a similar hardship unites people.

So ..... lets just say that Buddhists are not united people .... ideals unite people too ...

No one will take you seriously for just spouting nonsense.

So the advice of trying to reach out to people with love and friendship in your heart at first and then eliminating them if they dont seem to listen is nonsense?

Your opinion isn't more relevant than theirs unless you can prove it.

Well everyone can prove that fighting leads to not so happy moments ....

Obito provided the means to prove a point that the 5 great nations can work together perfectly if they so chose to.

Which happened in the past too (though not in such a scale) as Muu warned Oonoki, such coliation of interests fell apart precisely because of what they were .... they were coalition of interests and people went after what interested them (The empty vengeance of WW I actually brought WW II but the rise of ideals post WW II like Human Rights, Freedom for All etc etc has actually managed change the world for good ) .... without any ideals no alliance lasts ...

After this war, there's no excuse for anymore cross village wars apart from coveting something another village has... which can easily be disputed diplomatically.

Yeah like Kumo tried to get a a Hyuga female diplomatically .....

Obito pretty much elimated 'vengeance and hate' as reasons for cross village dispute.

For a few generations perhaps ..... after these stuff is forgotten things will begin again ..... ideals are very imporatnt my friend ...

Obito's closer to peace than naruto and his religion is...

Yeah Gengis Khan managed to unite people and bring about long lasting peace and co operation more than Gautam Buddha right? (I would say Jesus too ... but even ideals becomes out of tune and corrupted and need refreshing)

But, in the end, naruto will come out on top because it's a fairytale.

So was space travel .... so?

Talking did finally stop hitler after all... oh wait.

Well if u hadnt noticed .... Naruto has seen fair few people being stopped by eliminating them and hasnt regreting yet, its more like a 'please dont fight, we will help you as best as we can ... but if u dont listen we will have no choice but to beat the crap out of you' policy ...

Also speaking of Hitler, one can look at the Neo Nazi, various supremacists and hate groups and conclude that that the spirit of Hitler like people is still alive ..... its the collective strength of people believing in the ideals of peace, cooperation, equality that is holding and suppressing these people down ..... if it wasnt what would stop USA from subjugating the entire world? (Not that its not like USA isnt the bid daddy .... but those ideals actually give many of us a breather) ...